American Politics XIV: The Dawning of the Age of the Pumpkin

[Thermodolia]

Well, we didn't have these problems back when they did.

what is this supposed to mean?

It means that back when women couldn’t vote we didn’t have global warming issues

[The United Front Empire]

Sometimes I wish I could hate democracy as strongly as Lumen does.

You want a one party dictatorship just so you can have one thing. You may soon get your wish if the Supreme Court rules in favor of Independent State Legislature theory next year.

That would be beautiful. The states should fully control themselves. If you don't like it, move to another state. having 50 vastly different political and economical climates to choose living in would be awesome. We would be the best country on the planet and exactly what the founding fathers wanted.

[American Legionaries]

Well, we didn't have these problems back when they did.

what is this supposed to mean?

Modern gun control and abortion practices post-date women's suffrage.

[Umeria]

Time for a hot take - if this happens the US should stay out of it.

It’s a nuclear hot take, and just as stupid.

Taiwan is a major supplier of chips, and we just killed the Chinese domestic chip industry. Until the US has rebuilt it chip production we will defend Taiwan and ROK

The US should fast-track chip production then.

[San Lumen]

what is this supposed to mean?

It means that back when women couldn’t vote we didn’t have global warming issues

Republicans don't even believe its a thing yet that's whose poised to take Congress because people only see muh gas prices or see scary ads and don't even bother to think for themselves.

[San Lumen]

You want a one party dictatorship just so you can have one thing. You may soon get your wish if the Supreme Court rules in favor of Independent State Legislature theory next year.

That would be beautiful. The states should fully control themselves. If you don't like it, move to another state. having 50 vastly different political and economical climates to choose living in would be awesome. We would be the best country on the planet and exactly what the founding fathers wanted.

How do you have 50 states fully controlling themselves? How would the country even be united anymore?

[Thermodolia]

Sometimes I wish I could hate democracy as strongly as Lumen does.

You want a one party dictatorship just so you can have one thing. You may soon get your wish if the Supreme Court rules in favor of Independent State Legislature theory next year.

And you don’t?

[American Legionaries]

That would be beautiful. The states should fully control themselves. If you don't like it, move to another state. having 50 vastly different political and economical climates to choose living in would be awesome. We would be the best country on the planet and exactly what the founding fathers wanted.

How do you have 50 states fully controlling themselves? How would the country even be united anymore?

It's not united now.

[Lilithia]

It’s a nuclear hot take, and just as stupid.

Taiwan is a major supplier of chips, and we just killed the Chinese domestic chip industry. Until the US has rebuilt it chip production we will defend Taiwan and ROK

The US should fast-track chip production then.

Even then we shouldn't let China annex Taiwan

[San Lumen]

You want a one party dictatorship just so you can have one thing. You may soon get your wish if the Supreme Court rules in favor of Independent State Legislature theory next year.

And you don’t?

No. I want gerrymandering to end and for Republicans to stop their assault on democracy and accept the idea of free and fair elections like they did pre Trump. Now they want to make it so they can never lose again. That is the whole point of Moore v Harper so they can get the ok to appoint different electors if they don't like they lost a state whose legislature they control.

[Thermodolia]

It’s a nuclear hot take, and just as stupid.

Taiwan is a major supplier of chips, and we just killed the Chinese domestic chip industry. Until the US has rebuilt it chip production we will defend Taiwan and ROK

The US should fast-track chip production then.

We are. Production and construction of factories takes time, this isn’t like HOI4 where you can just build a few factories in a few seconds.

[Thermodolia]

It means that back when women couldn’t vote we didn’t have global warming issues

Republicans don't even believe its a thing yet that's whose poised to take Congress because people only see muh gas prices or see scary ads and don't even bother to think for themselves.

Or they are thinking for themselves. Gas prices are a major concern. That’s something many have to think about.

Scary ads work, if they didn’t neither party would use them. Besides I doubt the republicans will take much of the house if any. RN it’s a 50/50 flip

[American Legionaries]

Republicans don't even believe its a thing yet that's whose poised to take Congress because people only see muh gas prices or see scary ads and don't even bother to think for themselves.

Or they are thinking for themselves. Gas prices are a major concern. That’s something many have to think about.

Scary ads work, if they didn’t neither party would use them. Besides I doubt the republicans will take much of the house if any. RN it’s a 50/50 flip

But Therm, surely they can't be coming to the conclusion themselves, or else Lumen is just being smug and ignorant!

[Umeria]

The US should fast-track chip production then.

Even then we shouldn't let China annex Taiwan

Idk I think direct conflict should be avoided in this case

We are. Production and construction of factories takes time, this isn’t like HOI4 where you can just build a few factories in a few seconds.

Yeah but we could be managing it better. For example the CHIPS act didn't have enough strings attached and led to Intel laying off thousands of people after getting the money.

[Thermodolia]

And you don’t?

No. I want gerrymandering to end and for Republicans to stop their assault on democracy and accept the idea of free and fair elections like they did pre Trump. Now they want to make it so they can never lose again. That is the whole point of Moore v Harper so they can get the ok to appoint different electors if they don't like they lost a state whose legislature they control.

Yet you hate the idea of republicans winning anything, you also hate the idea of third parties winning anything.

Which means you only have one option left, total control by the democrats

[San Lumen]

Republicans don't even believe its a thing yet that's whose poised to take Congress because people only see muh gas prices or see scary ads and don't even bother to think for themselves.

Or they are thinking for themselves. Gas prices are a major concern. That’s something many have to think about.

Scary ads work, if they didn’t neither party would use them. Besides I doubt the republicans will take much of the house if any. RN it’s a 50/50 flip

You have more faith in the voting public than me. Conspiracy theorists shouldn’t even be competitive yet they are in many states even mine.

We didn’t have these wild swings until Obama. Now winning the presidency means a wave against your party.

[Thermodolia]

Even then we shouldn't let China annex Taiwan

Idk I think direct conflict should be avoided in this case

We are. Production and construction of factories takes time, this isn’t like HOI4 where you can just build a few factories in a few seconds.

Yeah but we could be managing it better. For example the CHIPS act didn't have enough strings attached and led to Intel laying off thousands of people after getting the money.

Intel laid off thousands because the controls on exports of technology made no use for those people to work.

Hell Intel shut down it’s entire Chinese branch because of the Government action

[Rusozak]

You want a one party dictatorship just so you can have one thing. You may soon get your wish if the Supreme Court rules in favor of Independent State Legislature theory next year.

That would be beautiful. The states should fully control themselves. If you don't like it, move to another state. having 50 vastly different political and economical climates to choose living in would be awesome. We would be the best country on the planet and exactly what the founding fathers wanted.

What guarantee of protected rights would citizens have then? That's a path to striking down the constitution, the bill of rights, etc.

[San Lumen]

That would be beautiful. The states should fully control themselves. If you don't like it, move to another state. having 50 vastly different political and economical climates to choose living in would be awesome. We would be the best country on the planet and exactly what the founding fathers wanted.

What guarantee of protected rights would citizens have then? That's a path to striking down the constitution, the bill of rights, etc.

The answer is none.

[Necroghastia]

No it wouldn't. Zeldin is a nut who wants zero gun laws, abortion banned, doesn't believe in climate change, and is an election denier but If my state wants that this country is truly lost.

His victory shouldn't be certified.

You say it wouldn't and then list reasons why it would.

Why do you want abortion banned? Why don't you believe in climate change? Why do you think Trump won?

[Haganham]

And you don’t?

No. I want gerrymandering to end and for Republicans to stop their assault on democracy and accept the idea of free and fair elections

"-also if they win the elections shouldn't be certified. Also I volunteer at a polling place. Also republicans shouldn't be allowed to observe polling. Also election fraud doesn't exist/"

[San Lumen]

No. I want gerrymandering to end and for Republicans to stop their assault on democracy and accept the idea of free and fair elections

-also if they win the elections shouldn't be certified.

Why should you be allowed to serve if you don’t believe in free and fair elections?

[Thermodolia]

Or they are thinking for themselves. Gas prices are a major concern. That’s something many have to think about.

Scary ads work, if they didn’t neither party would use them. Besides I doubt the republicans will take much of the house if any. RN it’s a 50/50 flip

You have more faith in the voting public than me.

That’s because I don’t hate humanity and I’m not a hyperpartisan hack

Conspiracy theorists shouldn’t even be competitive yet they are in many states even mine.

So the media says. Tbh I think a lot of races are more competitive than they actually are. Remember fear sells and what’s a better way to sell news than to say that an election is a lot closer than it actually is.

Besides there’s a lot of evidence that democrats and young voters are being underpolled and there’s a high possibility that 2022 could look like 2016 but for the Dems.

We didn’t have these wild swings until Obama.

Wanna bet? Bush 2 and Clinton both had big swings

Now winning the presidency means a wave against your party.

No. The party in the White House never does well in the midterms traditionally.

[American Legionaries]

You say it wouldn't and then list reasons why it would.

Why do you want abortion banned? Why don't you believe in climate change? Why do you think Trump won?

Because killing people is bad. I do. I don't.

[Thermodolia]

-also if they win the elections shouldn't be certified.

Why should you be allowed to serve if you don’t believe in free and fair elections?

Because the people elected them. Thankfully we are a free nation and don’t arrest people if they have different opinions