American Politics XIV: The Dawning of the Age of the Pumpkin

[Platoon of Peace]

Thankfully we're not in the Soviet Union.

I think you mean unfortunately.

No. I said what I meant. I may hate trump, but I don't think that he should die.

Edit: And also, just because America isn't perfect, it doesn't mean we should go to a place of secret police and murder of dissenters.

[The Black Forrest]

Thankfully we're not in the Soviet Union.

I think you mean unfortunately.

No….he was right.

I mean an old advisory (well I don’t know if we worked against each other directly) who worked what I did in the DoD for the KGB. He immigrated here years ago and is happy.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

the idea that traitors to the nation should not face the maximum punishment available to law is a very strange one

[American Legionaries]

the idea that traitors to the nation should not face the maximum punishment available to law is a very strange one

The whole country was established by people who were "traitors to the nation".

[Yerachmeal]

the idea that traitors to the nation should not face the maximum punishment available to law is a very strange one

Treason does get maximum punihment. I think you are referring to people who aren't patriotic. People who burn flags?

[Thermodolia]

the idea that traitors to the nation should not face the maximum punishment available to law is a very strange one

Trump isn’t charged with treason because he hasn’t met the constitutional requirements for it. Sedition is the highest you can charge him with.

And furthermore yes traitors in the US do get the death penalty

[Platoon of Peace]

the idea that traitors to the nation should not face the maximum punishment available to law is a very strange one

I'm more against it on the virtue that I don't think that anyone should receive the death penalty. And also because what Thermo said was correct, the highest he can receive according to the constitution is sedition.

[Platoon of Peace]

On the topic of Sir Donald of Trumptown...
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/21/jan-6-capitol-riot-probe-subpoenas-donald-trump.html
Trump has officially been subpoenaed. That's a weird word.

[Sordhau]

I think you mean unfortunately.

No. I said what I meant. I may hate trump, but I don't think that he should die.

Edit: And also, just because America isn't perfect, it doesn't mean we should go to a place of secret police and murder of dissenters.

I made no mention of secret police nor the murder of dissenters.

I simply pointed out that in the USSR if someone had tried (and failed) to stage such a blatant putsch they would have been arrested, tried, and executed within days.

the idea that traitors to the nation should not face the maximum punishment available to law is a very strange one

The whole country was established by people who were "traitors to the nation".

*Traitors to the crown, technically.

And, for the record, has the British captured them the Founders likely would have been executed.

[Platoon of Peace]

No. I said what I meant. I may hate trump, but I don't think that he should die.

Edit: And also, just because America isn't perfect, it doesn't mean we should go to a place of secret police and murder of dissenters.

I made no mention of secret police nor the murder of dissenters.

I simply pointed out that in the USSR if someone had tried (and failed) to stage such a blatant putsch they would have been arrested, tried, and executed within days.

The whole country was established by people who were "traitors to the nation".

*Traitors to the crown, technically.

And, for the record, has the British captured them the Founders likely would have been executed.

And I'm saying that I disagree with capital punishment.

And Yeah, I think that everyone has recognized that they would've been hung.

[American Legionaries]

*Traitors to the crown, technically.

And, for the record, has the British captured them the Founders likely would have been executed.

What's the difference?

And the record here is irrelevant, that the British would have executed them has no bearing on rather their actions should be approved of.

[Sordhau]

*Traitors to the crown, technically.

And, for the record, has the British captured them the Founders likely would have been executed.

What's the difference?

Being a citizen of a republic vs a subject of a monarch.

And the record here is irrelevant, that the British would have executed them has no bearing on rather their actions should be approved of.

Depends on what actions we're talking about. The Founders were slave-owning genocidaires, warmongering white supremacists, and would-be imperialist aristocrats chafing under parliamentary taxation on their precious luxuries. They fought first and foremost for the gain of the wealthy landowner class of colonists with no care in the world for Natives, slaves, or the average working colonist. Yet the American Revolution was vital in setting off the dominoes necessary to usher in the ultimate fall from grace of Monarchism across the globe; ushering in republican revolutions in Europe, Latin America, and Asia over the next century. Unfortunately most of those republics are liberal capitalist states that weren't all that different from the monarchies they replaced just with more rights for the elites and the influence of religion neutered.

I can approve of their fight for a republican model of governance but not for the plutocratic nature of the republic they established and the consequences it has ushered upon the native peoples of North America, African slaves and their descendants, the nations of Latin America and the Middle East, and immigrants from all over the globe who come under the false impression that this is a free country full of opportunity.

[American Legionaries]

What's the difference?

Being a citizen of a republic vs a subject of a monarch.

And the record here is irrelevant, that the British would have executed them has no bearing on rather their actions should be approved of.

Depends on what actions we're talking about. The Founders were slave-owning genocidaires, warmongering white supremacists, and would-be imperialist aristocrats chafing under parliamentary taxation on their precious luxuries. They fought first and foremost for the gain of the wealthy landowner class of colonists with no care in the world for Natives, slaves, or the average working colonist. Yet the American Revolution was vital in setting off the dominoes necessary to usher in the ultimate fall from grace of Monarchism across the globe; ushering in republican revolutions in Europe, Latin America, and Asia over the next century. Unfortunately most of those republics are liberal capitalist states that weren't all that different from the monarchies they replaced just with more rights for the elites and the influence of religion neutered.

I can approve of their fight for a republican model of governance but not for the plutocratic nature of the republic they established and the consequences it has ushered upon the native peoples of North America, African slaves and their descendants, the nations of Latin America and the Middle East, and immigrants from all over the globe who come under the false impression that this is a free country full of opportunity.

Allow me to restate, what's the relevant difference?

Yes, yes, founding fathers bad. But none of that addresses the point, your disapproval of them is not based on the fact that they committed a crime under British law.

[Kannap]

Early voting is open in North Carolina now. I'm going to go on Wednesday when I'm off work, but looking forward to voting for Matthew Hoh for Senate.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Early voting is open in North Carolina now. I'm going to go on Wednesday when I'm off work, but looking forward to voting for Matthew Hoh for Senate.

Neat.

[Saiwania]

Fox News as of late, is asking where all the voter suppression is, that Democrats fearmongered about, now that election time is close but there is allegedly record turnout so far as mid terms go?

Likely this is from people pissed off about abortion becoming more illegal on one side, and the other faction wanting Biden pushed out or contained because of inflation and supply chain/energy struggles.

Georgia lost a baseball event because of this that has maybe proved to be a non-issue.

[The United Front Empire]

Republicans should have pushed much harder to create and secure election laws. And no one should be using Dominion machines anymore.

But still, Republican candidates are actually door knocking, and speaking to people, and running on common sense issues, and the Democrat candidates are saying men should control where they shoot their sperm...Yeah...not something people are thinking about right now, and nobody would word it that grossly.

I'm also impressed with how many Republican candidates are non-politicians running for the first time.

Republicans will win the house and senate.

[Umeria]

Republicans should have pushed much harder to create and secure election laws. And no one should be using Dominion machines anymore.

But still, Republican candidates are actually door knocking, and speaking to people, and running on common sense issues, and the Democrat candidates are saying men should control where they shoot their sperm...Yeah...not something people are thinking about right now, and nobody would word it that grossly.

I'm also impressed with how many Republican candidates are non-politicians running for the first time.

Republicans will win the house and senate.

Vibe politics is the best kind of politics. No need to consider their record and policy positions, one of them feels down-to-earth and the other one feels icky and gross, that's all the information I need.

[The United Front Empire]

Vibe politics is the best kind of politics. No need to consider their record and policy positions, one of them feels down-to-earth and the other one feels icky and gross, that's all the information I need.

I hope you don't seriously think that's why I or anyone else votes for these candidates. That would be extremely pretentious of you.

No, it's obviously the policies, and Dem policy stances right now are insane.

But do you think Dem candidates shouldn't be doing this? Do they not need to hold town halls, debates, and grassroot events?

[San Lumen]

Republicans should have pushed much harder to create and secure election laws. And no one should be using Dominion machines anymore.

But still, Republican candidates are actually door knocking, and speaking to people, and running on common sense issues, and the Democrat candidates are saying men should control where they shoot their sperm...Yeah...not something people are thinking about right now, and nobody would word it that grossly.

I'm also impressed with how many Republican candidates are non-politicians running for the first time.

Republicans will win the house and senate.

Where is your proof of fraud?

You may get much more than then the House and Senate. Possibly even the New York governorship

What common sense issues are they running on? Banning trans people from sports, banning abortion nationwide, disscussing federal dont say gay bill, promoting conspiracy theories? If people want what Republicans are selling there is no hope left for this country.

[Umeria]

Vibe politics is the best kind of politics. No need to consider their record and policy positions, one of them feels down-to-earth and the other one feels icky and gross, that's all the information I need.

I hope you don't seriously think that's why I or anyone else votes for these candidates. That would be extremely pretentious of you.

I mean, your previous post suggests otherwise.

No, it's obviously the policies, and Dem policy stances right now are insane.

But do you think Dem candidates shouldn't be doing this? Do they not need to hold town halls, debates, and grassroot events?

Of course. Doing so helps them as for the most part their insane policy stances have majority support.

[Necroghastia]

Vibe politics is the best kind of politics. No need to consider their record and policy positions, one of them feels down-to-earth and the other one feels icky and gross, that's all the information I need.

I hope you don't seriously think that's why I or anyone else votes for these candidates. That would be extremely pretentious of you.

No, it's obviously the policies, and Dem policy stances right now are insane.

But do you think Dem candidates shouldn't be doing this? Do they not need to hold town halls, debates, and grassroot events?

What policy stances do you mean?

[The Jamesian Republic]

I hope you don't seriously think that's why I or anyone else votes for these candidates. That would be extremely pretentious of you.

No, it's obviously the policies, and Dem policy stances right now are insane.

But do you think Dem candidates shouldn't be doing this? Do they not need to hold town halls, debates, and grassroot events?

What policy stances do you mean?

Like the First Amendment says we can say gay.

[American Legionaries]

What policy stances do you mean?

Like the First Amendment says we can say gay.

The first amendment doesn't cover conditions of employment, only criminal penalties.

[Rusozak]

Vibe politics is the best kind of politics. No need to consider their record and policy positions, one of them feels down-to-earth and the other one feels icky and gross, that's all the information I need.

No, it's obviously the policies, and Dem policy stances right now are insane.

Oh yeah no, the party behind the "don't say gay" bills and white replacement theory are totally the sane ones.