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Who do you think will win come November?

Republicans in Both Houses
41
30%
Republican House, Democratic Senate
57
42%
Democratic House, Republican Senate
12
9%
Democrats in Both Houses
26
19%
 
Total votes : 136

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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:40 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Ifreann wrote:No, Jim, you're describing people being sensible and practical while defending their community. They fight when they have the numbers because they're fighting to win, not to score points for bravery. They hide their identities because if they're identified, they'll be in danger, and it is a stupid person who needlessly places themselves and their families in danger.


Even stupider is someone who not only can't properly identify a fascist, but use fascistic actions and calls themselves antifascists.

I don't think you should be criticising people for not being able to properly identify a fascist when you seem to think that taking violence seriously and not treating it like a game is fascist.

No matter how you try to spin it, they are worthless.

You say that, but then the criticisms you level against them are that they take what they do seriously and don't leave themselves vulnerable unnecessarily.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:52 am

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I'm in favor. If Republicans win big this year, we're finally going to reverse this trend towards transgenderism being perceived as okay. We're going to have a glorious return to "don't ask don't tell" with regards to this.


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Postby Sordhau » Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:56 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Ifreann wrote:No, Jim, you're describing people being sensible and practical while defending their community. They fight when they have the numbers because they're fighting to win, not to score points for bravery. They hide their identities because if they're identified, they'll be in danger, and it is a stupid person who needlessly places themselves and their families in danger.


Even stupider is someone who not only can't properly identify a fascist, but use fascistic actions and calls themselves antifascists.

No matter how you try to spin it, they are worthless.


Fascists didn't invent political violence nor do they have a monopoly on it.

And frankly if you're against using violence on Fascists then you may as well be a collaborator, because so far violence seems to be the only reliable and effective means of stamping out Fascism. In all honesty Antifa is pathetic in this regard and I wish they'd be more violent than they actually are.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:12 am

Sordhau wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Even stupider is someone who not only can't properly identify a fascist, but use fascistic actions and calls themselves antifascists.

No matter how you try to spin it, they are worthless.


Fascists didn't invent political violence nor do they have a monopoly on it.

And frankly if you're against using violence on Fascists then you may as well be a collaborator, because so far violence seems to be the only reliable and effective means of stamping out Fascism. In all honesty Antifa is pathetic in this regard and I wish they'd be more violent than they actually are.

Would be great if people operating under their banner didn't annihilate mom and pop stores instead of actually targeting, well, tyrants.
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Postby Sordhau » Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:26 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
Fascists didn't invent political violence nor do they have a monopoly on it.

And frankly if you're against using violence on Fascists then you may as well be a collaborator, because so far violence seems to be the only reliable and effective means of stamping out Fascism. In all honesty Antifa is pathetic in this regard and I wish they'd be more violent than they actually are.

Would be great if people operating under their banner didn't annihilate mom and pop stores instead of actually targeting, well, tyrants.


Which is why they're pathetic. Same problem with BLM.

Instead of hitting strategic, logical targets like police precincts and political offices they go after the local fucking 7/11. Smh.
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Postby Haganham » Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:28 am

Sordhau wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Even stupider is someone who not only can't properly identify a fascist, but use fascistic actions and calls themselves antifascists.

No matter how you try to spin it, they are worthless.


Fascists didn't invent political violence nor do they have a monopoly on it.

And frankly if you're against using violence on Fascists then you may as well be a collaborator, because so far violence seems to be the only reliable and effective means of stamping out Fascism. In all honesty Antifa is pathetic in this regard and I wish they'd be more violent than they actually are.

You should take this seriously. Jim. Sordhau knows all about being a fascist collaborator. She's got 83 years experience with it.
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Postby Sordhau » Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:29 am

Haganham wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
Fascists didn't invent political violence nor do they have a monopoly on it.

And frankly if you're against using violence on Fascists then you may as well be a collaborator, because so far violence seems to be the only reliable and effective means of stamping out Fascism. In all honesty Antifa is pathetic in this regard and I wish they'd be more violent than they actually are.

You should take this seriously. Jim. Sordhau knows all about being a fascist collaborator. She's got 83 years experience with it.


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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:36 am

Sordhau wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Would be great if people operating under their banner didn't annihilate mom and pop stores instead of actually targeting, well, tyrants.


Which is why they're pathetic. Same problem with BLM.

Instead of hitting strategic, logical targets like police precincts and political offices they go after the local fucking 7/11. Smh.

7/11, the mom and pop store with over 78,000 locations in 19 countries, a wholly owned subsidiary of Seven & i Holdings, a multi-billion dollar retail group, the fifteenth largest in the world.

Anyway, please consider that neither antifa nor BLM are revolutionary communist paramilitary groups, contrary to reports on Fox News.

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Postby Valrifall » Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:40 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
Fascists didn't invent political violence nor do they have a monopoly on it.

And frankly if you're against using violence on Fascists then you may as well be a collaborator, because so far violence seems to be the only reliable and effective means of stamping out Fascism. In all honesty Antifa is pathetic in this regard and I wish they'd be more violent than they actually are.

Would be great if people operating under their banner didn't annihilate mom and pop stores instead of actually targeting, well, tyrants.


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Postby Sordhau » Fri Oct 21, 2022 8:03 am

Ifreann wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
Which is why they're pathetic. Same problem with BLM.

Instead of hitting strategic, logical targets like police precincts and political offices they go after the local fucking 7/11. Smh.

7/11, the mom and pop store with over 78,000 locations in 19 countries, a wholly owned subsidiary of Seven & i Holdings, a multi-billion dollar retail group, the fifteenth largest in the world.


I didn't claim they were a mom and pop store. Just pointing out it's just as much of a poor choice of target as one. 7/11 sells cancer and diabetes; burning down one of their stores doesn't make the elites afraid of anything. It just means you won't be able to grab a bottle of water while you get gas.

Anyway, please consider that neither antifa nor BLM are revolutionary communist paramilitary groups, contrary to reports on Fox News.


I know. That's the problem. They'd be so much more based if they were.

Valrifall wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Would be great if people operating under their banner didn't annihilate mom and pop stores instead of actually targeting, well, tyrants.


Small businesses are not your friends


This, too. The petty bourgeois are very firmly on the side of authority in these matters and not solely because they get targeted during riots.
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Postby Zurkerx » Fri Oct 21, 2022 8:18 am

So, we now know some of the secrets taken to Mar-A-Lago by Trump: they included Iran's Missile Program and Intelligence on China, among some of the most sensitive taken by Trump. If shared or stolen, it would severely compromise the United States' Intelligence gathering. It would also result in severe retaliation and could set the US back decades if the information was compromised.

We already suspected that Trump either took an allied nation's or an enemy nation's secrets and Iran or China was speculated as one of them. This man put the US in serious danger.
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Postby Deblar » Fri Oct 21, 2022 8:37 am


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Postby San Lumen » Fri Oct 21, 2022 8:38 am

Zurkerx wrote:So, we now know some of the secrets taken to Mar-A-Lago by Trump: they included Iran's Missile Program and Intelligence on China, among some of the most sensitive taken by Trump. If shared or stolen, it would severely compromise the United States' Intelligence gathering. It would also result in severe retaliation and could set the US back decades if the information was compromised.

We already suspected that Trump either took an allied nation's or an enemy nation's secrets and Iran or China was speculated as one of them. This man put the US in serious danger.


why hasn't he been indicated already?

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Postby Sundiata » Fri Oct 21, 2022 8:43 am

San Lumen wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:So, we now know some of the secrets taken to Mar-A-Lago by Trump: they included Iran's Missile Program and Intelligence on China, among some of the most sensitive taken by Trump. If shared or stolen, it would severely compromise the United States' Intelligence gathering. It would also result in severe retaliation and could set the US back decades if the information was compromised.

We already suspected that Trump either took an allied nation's or an enemy nation's secrets and Iran or China was speculated as one of them. This man put the US in serious danger.


why hasn't he been indicated already?

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Postby Sundiata » Fri Oct 21, 2022 8:48 am


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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 21, 2022 8:55 am

Sordhau wrote:
Ifreann wrote:7/11, the mom and pop store with over 78,000 locations in 19 countries, a wholly owned subsidiary of Seven & i Holdings, a multi-billion dollar retail group, the fifteenth largest in the world.


I didn't claim they were a mom and pop store. Just pointing out it's just as much of a poor choice of target as one. 7/11 sells cancer and diabetes; burning down one of their stores doesn't make the elites afraid of anything. It just means you won't be able to grab a bottle of water while you get gas.

I would think, then, that if people burn down the local 7/11 that they are not trying to terrorise the elites, but more likely trying to stop their community from being sold cancer and diabetes, or they have some other problem with the 7/11.

Anyway, please consider that neither antifa nor BLM are revolutionary communist paramilitary groups, contrary to reports on Fox News.


I know. That's the problem. They'd be so much more based if they were.

I mean, I might as well complain that my kettle doesn't toast bread.



Lol, and indeed, lmao.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:03 am



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Postby Sordhau » Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:26 am



Oh wow. Four months. That'll show 'em!

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Postby Zurkerx » Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:28 am

San Lumen wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:So, we now know some of the secrets taken to Mar-A-Lago by Trump: they included Iran's Missile Program and Intelligence on China, among some of the most sensitive taken by Trump. If shared or stolen, it would severely compromise the United States' Intelligence gathering. It would also result in severe retaliation and could set the US back decades if the information was compromised.

We already suspected that Trump either took an allied nation's or an enemy nation's secrets and Iran or China was speculated as one of them. This man put the US in serious danger.


why hasn't he been indicated already?


I think you already know the answer to that rhetorical question. Not to mention, they do want an air-tight case: if you go after the King, you better have everything to take him down.
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Postby Deblar » Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:35 am

Sordhau wrote:


Oh wow. Four months. That'll show 'em!

:roll:

Eh, at least he actually got indicted and sentenced, unlike his old buddy Trump. What's the hold up on him again?

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Postby Sordhau » Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:38 am

Deblar wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
Oh wow. Four months. That'll show 'em!

:roll:

Eh, at least he actually got indicted and sentenced, unlike his old buddy Trump. What's the hold up on him again?


In the Soviet Union Trump would've been shot by now.
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Postby Platoon of Peace » Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:46 am

Sordhau wrote:
Deblar wrote:Eh, at least he actually got indicted and sentenced, unlike his old buddy Trump. What's the hold up on him again?


In the Soviet Union Trump would've been shot by now.

Thankfully we're not in the Soviet Union.
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Postby Sordhau » Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:50 am

Platoon of Peace wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
In the Soviet Union Trump would've been shot by now.

Thankfully we're not in the Soviet Union.


I think you mean unfortunately.
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Postby American Legionaries » Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:58 am

Sordhau wrote:
Platoon of Peace wrote:Thankfully we're not in the Soviet Union.


I think you mean unfortunately.


Do you, though?

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