American Politics XIV: The Dawning of the Age of the Pumpkin

[Yerachmeal]

Dude. They are politicians. Of course they will lie, cheat and steal to their advantage.

Things would be much simpler if it was democrats good and republicans bad.

Don’t set on the notion we only need to protect ourselves from republicans. Sure; they are the current threat…..still you have to keep watch on the demos as well.

We don't need to watch for either party. Neither party is trying to rig the elections.

Especially as long as photo ID is required, it would be very hard to do so anyways; that's a side point. The point is, few politicians are as corrupt as you and a few others are saying they are.

[Yerachmeal]

Again….you are delusional if you think the Democratic Party is good.

They are better than Republicans and humans are destroying this planet and not enough care.

Did you know that Trump isn't the only republican? Several reublicans care about the environment.

[Platoon of Peace]

How many times do I have to tell you? We are not a democracy, we are a federal republic!

We are both of those. We democratically elect leaders in our federal republic, so we are a democratic federal republic. They aren't mutually exclusive.

[Yerachmeal]

How many times do I have to tell you? We are not a democracy, we are a federal republic!

You say those things like they're exclusionary. They're not.

They are. Popular vote doesn't decide presidential elections. Personally I think that's a good thing, but it means democracy is an insult when it's used in the context some people use it in. Same to Platoon of Peace and Jameisan Republic.

[Platoon of Peace]

You say those things like they're exclusionary. They're not.

They are. Popular vote doesn't decide presidential elections. Personally I think that's a good thing, but it means democracy is an insult when it's used in the context some people use it in. Same to Platoon of Peace and Jameisan Republic.

A democracy doesn't have to be direct to be a democracy. There are more elections then the President as well. Senator elections and I think congressman elections are elected directly by the people. I know for a fact senators, due to the 17th amendment.

[Indig0]

Do people suppose the rumors are true that Donald Trump is struggling to find many good lawyers to represent him as of late, because of his history of not paying them and not obeying sound legal advice and being a difficult client? There are some lawyers who've worked for him that got screwed over, so any new prospective legal professionals are allegedly turning him down because he's perceived to not be worthwhile so far as benefiting them any.

Leftists will say yes. Conservatives will say no. How about we worry less about whether trump can find a lawyer, and more about whether trump is in the right or not in his legal case. Again, predictable responses: leftists will say trump is in the wrong, right wingers will say trump is in the right. Can any of you look outside your party line and view matters objectively? Are you willing to see truth even if it goes against your beliefs?

[The Jamesian Republic]

You say those things like they're exclusionary. They're not.

They are. Popular vote doesn't decide presidential elections. Personally I think that's a good thing, but it means democracy is an insult when it's used in the context some people use it in. Same to Platoon of Peace and Jameisan Republic.

I would personally like to use a two round system like France but from the arguments provided by American Legionaries and you I can understand where you two come from.

[Yerachmeal]

A democracy doesn't have to be direct to be a democracy.

No. It can also be a representative democracy, meaning that the public elects representatives. However, that's still done by popular vote.

There are more elections then the President as well. Senator elections and I think congressman elections are elected directly by the people. I know for a fact senators, due to the 17th amendment.

Remember John Locke? He came up with the parliament, where you elect representatives directly by the people too. However it's still not a democracy.

[Yerachmeal]

I would personally like to use a two round system like France but from the arguments provided by American Legionaries and you I can understand where you two come from.

What's a 2 round system?

[Platoon of Peace]

A democracy doesn't have to be direct to be a democracy.

No. It can also be a representative democracy, meaning that the public elects representatives. However, that's still done by popular vote.

There are more elections then the President as well. Senator elections and I think congressman elections are elected directly by the people. I know for a fact senators, due to the 17th amendment.

Remember John Locke? He came up with the parliament, where you elect representatives directly by the people too. However it's still not a democracy.

I am aware of who Locke is. I just took a test on him and other philosophers of the time. And how does this disprove the democratic election of senators?

[Necroghastia]

How many times do I have to tell you? We are not a democracy, we are a federal republic!

How many times do I have to tell you? We are not mammals, we are Homo sapiens!

[Yerachmeal]

No. It can also be a representative democracy, meaning that the public elects representatives. However, that's still done by popular vote.

Remember John Locke? He came up with the parliament, where you elect representatives directly by the people too. However it's still not a democracy.

I am aware of who Locke is. I just took a test on him and other philosophers of the time. And how does this disprove the democratic election of senators?

Unless his system is a democracy (which if you did well on your test (hope you aced it) you know it isn't) it shows that congressional elections being based on popular vote does not necessarily equate to democracy.

[Eahland]

You say those things like they're exclusionary. They're not.

They are. Popular vote doesn't decide presidential elections. Personally I think that's a good thing, but it means democracy is an insult when it's used in the context some people use it in. Same to Platoon of Peace and Jameisan Republic.

We're a federation. That means that we're not a unitary state; we're made up of smaller semi-sovereign states. We're a republic; that means we're not ruled by a monarch or other autocrat. We're a representative democracy; that means we're governed by elected representatives, not by popular vote (direct democracy) nor by unelected autocrats. These things are not exclusive.

[Yerachmeal]

How many times do I have to tell you? We are not a democracy, we are a federal republic!

How many times do I have to tell you? We are not mammals, we are Homo sapiens!

At least you except that humans are animals. I get frustrated when people say otherwise.

[Mattopilos III]

How many times do I have to tell you? We are not mammals, we are Homo sapiens!

At least you except that humans are animals. I get frustrated when people say otherwise.

I always love when people try and make arguments for how "humans are above the animals."
We are animals, and we aren't even what I'd consider the most successful species on earth. Bacteria of many, MANY types still win out there.

[The Jamesian Republic]

I would personally like to use a two round system like France but from the arguments provided by American Legionaries and you I can understand where you two come from.

What's a 2 round system?

You have a list of candidates the two candidates who place first and second place in the first round will go to the second round and then the voters pick one of those two.

For example:
First Round:
1st: Democrat
2nd: Republican
3rd: Libertarian
4th: Green

The Democrat and Republican go to the next round and then:
1st: Republican
2nd: Democrat

The Republican wins the election.

[Yerachmeal]

We're a federation. That means that we're not a unitary state; we're made up of smaller semi-sovereign states. We're a republic; that means we're not ruled by a monarch or other autocrat. We're a representative democracy; that means we're governed by elected representatives, not by popular vote (direct democracy) nor by unelected autocrats. These things are not exclusive.

Do you know what you described? A federal democracy. Read up https://byjus.com/free-ias-prep/differe ... g%20rights.

[Mattopilos III]

What's a 2 round system?

You have a list of candidates the two candidates who place first and second place in the first round will go to the second round and then the voters pick one of those two.

For example:
First Round:
1st: Democrat
2nd: Republican
3rd: Libertarian
4th: Green

The Democrat and Republican go to the next round and then:
1st: Republican
2nd: Democrat

The Republican wins the election.

That explains why American politics seems to have such a skewed 2-party system even by the standards of most nations that have 2-party systems.

[Thermodolia]

I would personally like to use a two round system like France but from the arguments provided by American Legionaries and you I can understand where you two come from.

What's a 2 round system?

Ya know how Sens Warnock and Ossoff where elected in Georgia in 2020? That’s two round. You basically have a run off election.

You can get the same results cheaper and faster if you use IRV

[Spirit of Hope]

Its weird to have "the US is a republic not a democracy" be a hill to fight over since those aren't mutually exclusive terms. Especially since both terms have a multitude of meanings depending on context.

Sure the US isn't a direct democracy, that doesn't mean it isn't a democracy.

[Yerachmeal]

What's a 2 round system?

You have a list of candidates the two candidates who place first and second place in the first round will go to the second round and then the voters pick one of those two.

For example:
First Round:
1st: Democrat
2nd: Republican
3rd: Libertarian
4th: Green

The Democrat and Republican go to the next round and then:
1st: Republican
2nd: Democrat

The Republican wins the election.

That wouldn't be too bad, but I think a ranked voting system is kind of a better version of that.

[The Jamesian Republic]

You have a list of candidates the two candidates who place first and second place in the first round will go to the second round and then the voters pick one of those two.

For example:
First Round:
1st: Democrat
2nd: Republican
3rd: Libertarian
4th: Green

The Democrat and Republican go to the next round and then:
1st: Republican
2nd: Democrat

The Republican wins the election.

That explains why American politics seems to have such a skewed 2-party system even by the standards of most nations that have 2-party systems.

I think there are other people who could give a better example. This is just my general understanding I could be wrong.

[Mattopilos III]

Its weird to have "the US is a republic not a democracy" be a hill to fight over since those aren't mutually exclusive terms. Especially since both terms have a multitude of meanings depending on context.

Sure the US isn't a direct democracy, that doesn't mean it isn't a democracy.

They seem to just think "Democracy is when good, everything else is when bad" and never expand past that. So if you like the system and aren't an authoritarian, then it must be good :. Democracy.

[Thermodolia]

You have a list of candidates the two candidates who place first and second place in the first round will go to the second round and then the voters pick one of those two.

For example:
First Round:
1st: Democrat
2nd: Republican
3rd: Libertarian
4th: Green

The Democrat and Republican go to the next round and then:
1st: Republican
2nd: Democrat

The Republican wins the election.

That explains why American politics seems to have such a skewed 2-party system even by the standards of most nations that have 2-party systems.

The US as a whole doesn’t use two round election. Only Mississippi and Georgia use it. Maine uses IRV, while Alaska uses a combo of SNTV and IRV. Three or four states use a jungle primary and the rest use good ole FPTP

[The Jamesian Republic]

You have a list of candidates the two candidates who place first and second place in the first round will go to the second round and then the voters pick one of those two.

For example:
First Round:
1st: Democrat
2nd: Republican
3rd: Libertarian
4th: Green

The Democrat and Republican go to the next round and then:
1st: Republican
2nd: Democrat

The Republican wins the election.

That wouldn't be too bad, but I think a ranked voting system is kind of a better version of that.

I would also go with that.