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Who do you think will win come November?

Republicans in Both Houses
41
30%
Republican House, Democratic Senate
57
42%
Democratic House, Republican Senate
12
9%
Democrats in Both Houses
26
19%
 
Total votes : 136

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:48 pm

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
The bar to run for President is pretty low. A conviction doesn’t prevent you from running. Lyndon Larousse was punished for defrauding the IRS and he ran several times.

About the only thing they could get him on is the 14th bit about supporting an insurrection, etc. Still; unlikely…..

The legal loopholes need to be patched with the broken political system while the broken political system needs to be patched with the broken legal system.

Historical events are often slow, but this is the end of our republic.


I agree. Republicans will soon make it so they can't lose elections and if they do refuse to certify the results.

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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:00 pm

Gravlen wrote:Meanwhile, at SCOTUS:

Prospective jurors were asked their views of interracial marriage and procreation on a multiple-choice form, and several of them said they disapproved.

One prospective juror indicated that he was vigorously opposed and that he was “not afraid to say so.” He added: “I don’t believe God intended for this.”

Two other prospective jurors indicated that they opposed people of different races marrying or having children but that they tried to keep their feelings to themselves. One said: “I think we should stay with our blood line.”

Mr. Thomas’s lawyers did not use peremptory challenges to strike the jurors, and they did not ask the judge to remove them for cause. All three jurors were seated.

During the penalty phase of the trial, a prosecutor asked the jury to consider the danger Mr. Thomas might pose if he were not executed. “Are you going to take the risk about him asking your daughter out or your granddaughter out?” the prosecutor asked the jury.

The all-white jury found him guilty and sentenced the Black man to death for killing his white wife. SCOTUS decided, 6-3, to not hear the case.

The dissent:
“By failing to challenge, or even question, jurors who were hostile to interracial marriage in a capital case involving that explosive topic, Thomas’s counsel performed well below an objective standard of reasonableness,” Justice Sotomayor wrote. “This deficient performance prejudiced Thomas by depriving him of a fair trial.”

The courts had also failed, she wrote.

“It is ultimately the duty of the courts ‘to confront racial animus in the justice system,’” she wrote, quoting an earlier decision. “That responsibility requires courts, including this one, vigilantly to safeguard the fairness of criminal trials by ensuring that jurors do not harbor, or at the very least could put aside, racially biased sentiments.”

Gotta keep lynching legal.

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American Legionaries
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Postby American Legionaries » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:The legal loopholes need to be patched with the broken political system while the broken political system needs to be patched with the broken legal system.

Historical events are often slow, but this is the end of our republic.


I agree. Republicans will soon make it so they can't lose elections and if they do refuse to certify the results.


In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic
American Empire for a safe and secure society.

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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:The legal loopholes need to be patched with the broken political system while the broken political system needs to be patched with the broken legal system.

Historical events are often slow, but this is the end of our republic.


I agree. Republicans will soon make it so they can't lose elections and if they do refuse to certify the results.


You think the democrats wouldn’t take advantage of grey areas and loopholes?
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:11 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I agree. Republicans will soon make it so they can't lose elections and if they do refuse to certify the results.


You think the democrats wouldn’t take advantage of grey areas and loopholes?


No. They roll over too easily. I don’t expect this country to be a democracy much longer.

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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:13 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
You think the democrats wouldn’t take advantage of grey areas and loopholes?


No. They roll over too easily. I don’t expect this country to be a democracy much longer.


Dude. They are politicians. Of course they will lie, cheat and steal to their advantage.

Things would be much simpler if it was democrats good and republicans bad.

Don’t set on the notion we only need to protect ourselves from republicans. Sure; they are the current threat…..still you have to keep watch on the demos as well.
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*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:15 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No. They roll over too easily. I don’t expect this country to be a democracy much longer.


Dude. They are politicians. Of course they will lie, cheat and steal to their advantage.

Things would be much simpler if was democrats good and republicans bad.

Don’t set on the notion we only need to protect ourselves from republicans. Sure; they are the current threat…..still you have to keep watch on the demos as well.


Republicans don’t believe in democracy and I fully expect them to end the great experiment soon along with the destruction of most wildlife on this planet.

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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:18 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Dude. They are politicians. Of course they will lie, cheat and steal to their advantage.

Things would be much simpler if was democrats good and republicans bad.

Don’t set on the notion we only need to protect ourselves from republicans. Sure; they are the current threat…..still you have to keep watch on the demos as well.


Republicans don’t believe in democracy and I fully expect them to end the great experiment soon along with the destruction of most wildlife on this planet.


Again….you are delusional if you think the Democratic Party is good.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:21 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Republicans don’t believe in democracy and I fully expect them to end the great experiment soon along with the destruction of most wildlife on this planet.


Again….you are delusional if you think the Democratic Party is good.


They are better than Republicans and humans are destroying this planet and not enough care.

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Platoon of Peace
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Postby Platoon of Peace » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Dude. They are politicians. Of course they will lie, cheat and steal to their advantage.

Things would be much simpler if was democrats good and republicans bad.

Don’t set on the notion we only need to protect ourselves from republicans. Sure; they are the current threat…..still you have to keep watch on the demos as well.


Republicans don’t believe in democracy and I fully expect them to end the great experiment sooNn along with the destruction of most wildlife on this planet.

Not a single party in this nation cares about democracy. Every one of them care about one thing: Power. The trumpians have been more obvious about it, but you can still see the democrats doing it too.
Daily smartman things occasionally.

So like you know when you walk into an debate thinking you're gonna beat this guys ass verbally and then walk out realising you're an idiot? Yeah that'd never be me.
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Would be a republican if trump didn't feel like existing and being himself, now tends to be more of a democrat-centrist dude
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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:28 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I agree. Republicans will soon make it so they can't lose elections and if they do refuse to certify the results.


In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic
American Empire for a safe and secure society.


So this is how liberty dies… With thunderous applause.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:31 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic
American Empire for a safe and secure society.


So this is how liberty dies… With thunderous applause.


And I go to Canada.

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Greater Guantanamo
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Postby Greater Guantanamo » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:31 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
So this is how liberty dies… With thunderous applause.


And I go to Canada.

We don't want more libs here.

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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:32 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Again….you are delusional if you think the Democratic Party is good.


They are better than Republicans and humans are destroying this planet and not enough care.


Talking about problems is easy.

Setting out to solve problems…..what exactly have the demos done? They are only concerned about getting elected. Even in my neck of the woods. The politicians would send out surveys of “issues”. Reading them carefully…..it was not an effort to get an idea of issues to address; it was looking for cool sound bites to run.

The republicans are bad. No question. Sure they are good if you have money. The problem? You can’t use them as a measure of the democrats. They are only marginally better. As I have said in the past:

The democrats at least will toss you an old dusty bone every so often.
The republicans will give you tropes and sayings.

People have asked how to clean the two parties? Mandate a “None of the Above” option for all ballots. You may like to offer wankers for choices; it does not mean we have to support them.

The write in option isn’t sufficient as people are well lazy. The parties know this and don’t want a none option. It will cost MONEY!!!!! It will delay government!!!!! That’s great. People should get problem solvers and not shit talkers. Offering good candidates solves the cost and delay problem.
Last edited by The Black Forrest on Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:35 pm, edited 2 times in total.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
So this is how liberty dies… With thunderous applause.


And I go to Canada.


Nah you will be captured at the Northern Border Wall because the Socialist Unity Republican Party has to keep Americans in because everyone was escaping. (This is a Berlin Wall/East Germany reference)
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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:36 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
So this is how liberty dies… With thunderous applause.


And I go to Canada.

You do not get to say that when you've spent years demanding that people who complain about American politics run for office.

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Postby Platoon of Peace » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:57 pm

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And I go to Canada.

You do not get to say that when you've spent years demanding that people who complain about American politics run for office.

Lumen is perfectly cut out for politics, considering how they are a massive hypocrite.
Daily smartman things occasionally.

So like you know when you walk into an debate thinking you're gonna beat this guys ass verbally and then walk out realising you're an idiot? Yeah that'd never be me.
human of the american male variety
Would be a republican if trump didn't feel like existing and being himself, now tends to be more of a democrat-centrist dude
maaaybe bi? IDK I'll figure it out at some point.
catholic. god imagine being catholic it would suck so much
pro: actual news, lgbtq rights, catholic church

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Senkaku
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:01 pm

Platoon of Peace wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You do not get to say that when you've spent years demanding that people who complain about American politics run for office.

Lumen is perfectly cut out for politics, considering how they are a massive hypocrite.

I'm old enough to remember when this wasn't the "Thoughts About San Lumen's Personality" thread
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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:03 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Platoon of Peace wrote:Lumen is perfectly cut out for politics, considering how they are a massive hypocrite.

I'm old enough to remember when this wasn't the "Thoughts About San Lumen's Personality" thread

Once, there was no American politics thread at all.
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Postby Sundiata » Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:38 pm

Platoon of Peace wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You do not get to say that when you've spent years demanding that people who complain about American politics run for office.

Lumen is perfectly cut out for politics, considering how they are a massive hypocrite.

:lol:

Don't be so harsh towards others.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:39 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Platoon of Peace wrote:Lumen is perfectly cut out for politics, considering how they are a massive hypocrite.

:lol:

Don't be so harsh towards others.


Remember the immortal words of St. Josemaria Escriva.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:50 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Senkaku wrote:I'm old enough to remember when this wasn't the "Thoughts About San Lumen's Personality" thread

Once, there was no American politics thread at all.


Even in the before times.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Yerachmeal
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Postby Yerachmeal » Thu Oct 13, 2022 7:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
No. They roll over too easily. I don’t expect this country to be a democracy much longer.

How many times do I have to tell you? We are not a democracy, we are a federal republic!
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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Oct 13, 2022 7:01 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
San Lumen wrote:

How many times do I have to tell you? We are not a democracy, we are a federal republic!


Which is a form of democracy.

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Postby Eahland » Thu Oct 13, 2022 7:01 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
San Lumen wrote:

How many times do I have to tell you? We are not a democracy, we are a federal republic!

You say those things like they're exclusionary. They're not.
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