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Who do you think will win come November?

Republicans in Both Houses
41
30%
Republican House, Democratic Senate
57
42%
Democratic House, Republican Senate
12
9%
Democrats in Both Houses
26
19%
 
Total votes : 136

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Postby Corrian » Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:46 pm

Nevada is always a weird one for me because I know polling always skews Republican there for some reason.
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Postby Corrian » Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:53 pm

I'm most surprised the Ohio Senate Race is still even.
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Postby Free Algerstonia » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:01 pm


the subpoena will greatly backfire for the jan 6 kangaroo court, once president trump reveals his evidence that the 2020 election was stolen then the entire 2020 election count will be audited and once the audit is done it will reveal a trump victory and president trump will finally take back the country
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Postby Free Algerstonia » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:04 pm

Major-Tom wrote:From the Arizona Republic - Kari Lake has the momentum.

Here in AZ, we're seeing an increasing likelihood that our Senate seat will stay blue, whereas our Governor's race will stay red. This is despite the fact that both GOP candidates are extreme, far-right election deniers and provocateurs. It's infuriating to see the AZ Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by allowing their gubernatorial candidate to make every strategic blunder possible.

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Postby Zilam » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:08 pm

Meanwhile, the #1 issue for Americans is still the economy, and the last inflation report before the elections shows that inflation rose again from August to September. Are people going to care about Trump's subpoena when

Gas is up 18%, electricity is up 15%, groceries are up 13%, baby food up 12% and earnings are down 3%


I doubt it.
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:11 pm

Corrian wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:From the Arizona Republic - Kari Lake has the momentum.

Here in AZ, we're seeing an increasing likelihood that our Senate seat will stay blue, whereas our Governor's race will stay red. This is despite the fact that both GOP candidates are extreme, far-right election deniers and provocateurs. It's infuriating to see the AZ Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by allowing their gubernatorial candidate to make every strategic blunder possible.

That's so weird to me because both Masters and Lake are awful on like the same level but Lake might actually win? Lake winning would be a huge dampen on Kelly winning reelection though because Lake is gonna be terrible. I just don't get how you elect one nutjob statewide but defeat the other.


Kelly has raised a fuckton of money and has run a pretty safe, standard campaign. As an incumbent, he has also created some goodwill among enough Independents and Republicans to give him the advantage.

Hobbs, on the other hand, has run possibly the worst campaign I've seen in the last 14 or so years I've lived in this state. It's not just that she keeps avoiding debates (though that has hurt her too); but there are also plenty of well-publicized videos of her refusing to answer questions from voters, skirting the issues, and vomiting word-salad during the limited interviews she gives. It's created an image of her a a defensive, thin-skinned lightweight.

And that's unfortunate, because Hobbs has been a decent, if sometimes ineffectual, Secretary of State. But compare that to Lake, who is patently batshit, and Hobbs is way better on the merits.

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Postby El Lazaro » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:12 pm

Zilam wrote:Meanwhile, the #1 issue for Americans is still the economy, and the last inflation report before the elections shows that inflation rose again from August to September. Are people going to care about Trump's subpoena when

Gas is up 18%, electricity is up 15%, groceries are up 13%, baby food up 12% and earnings are down 3%


I doubt it.

Since Congress has more control over a 2024 coup than the rest of the global economy, a few different issues should be considered at the same time.

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Postby Gravlen » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:15 pm

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Ifreann wrote:It matters because such an accusation is defamatory, which is relevant because some posters seem to think that there is no defamation for Trump to answer for.

As Norv stated (thanks this stuff can be kind of confusing!) can you prove beyond a shadow of doubt that Trump made a false statement that caused damage to Ms. Carroll? Because as far as I know, this can't be proven yet.

It's why she's seeking his DNA. She claims there's DNA on clothing that she has said she saved from the day of the alleged attack. If the DNA were to match, she would be closer to making the case that he made a false statement.
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Postby Zilam » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:17 pm

El Lazaro wrote:
Zilam wrote:Meanwhile, the #1 issue for Americans is still the economy, and the last inflation report before the elections shows that inflation rose again from August to September. Are people going to care about Trump's subpoena when

Gas is up 18%, electricity is up 15%, groceries are up 13%, baby food up 12% and earnings are down 3%


I doubt it.

Since Congress has more control over a 2024 coup than the rest of the global economy, a few different issues should be considered at the same time.


If there is no economic relief in sight, then 2024 will be a red win just as 22 is going to be. Maybe Republicans winning elections is a coup to the Democratic party?
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Postby El Lazaro » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:22 pm

Zilam wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Since Congress has more control over a 2024 coup than the rest of the global economy, a few different issues should be considered at the same time.


If there is no economic relief in sight, then 2024 will be a red win just as 22 is going to be. Maybe Republicans winning elections is a coup to the Democratic party?

Trying to coup the government is a coup, and Trump shouldn’t get a second attempt just because he’s rich.

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Postby Gravlen » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:26 pm

Zilam wrote:Meanwhile, the #1 issue for Americans is still the economy, and the last inflation report before the elections shows that inflation rose again from August to September. Are people going to care about Trump's subpoena when

Gas is up 18%, electricity is up 15%, groceries are up 13%, baby food up 12% and earnings are down 3%


I doubt it.

Thankfully, Republicans will strengthen the economy by banning books about gay people and forcing the woke communists heading up megacorporations to pay less taxes.
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Unio de Sovetaj Socialismaj Respublikoj wrote:There is no use arguing the definition of murder with someone who has a picture of a penguin with a chainsaw as their nations flag.

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Postby American Legionaries » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:27 pm

El Lazaro wrote:
Zilam wrote:
If there is no economic relief in sight, then 2024 will be a red win just as 22 is going to be. Maybe Republicans winning elections is a coup to the Democratic party?

Trying to coup the government is a coup, and Trump shouldn’t get a second attempt just because he’s rich.


What about despite being rich?

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:27 pm

Corrian wrote:I'm most surprised the Ohio Senate Race is still even.

Florida and NC are also getting tighter. Republicans should be really worried.

And there’s a chance however slight that Abrams could be dragged across the finish line by Warnock voters
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:29 pm


Why do that to yourself? He only has to hold off for like what, 23 days?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:29 pm

Zilam wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Since Congress has more control over a 2024 coup than the rest of the global economy, a few different issues should be considered at the same time.


If there is no economic relief in sight, then 2024 will be a red win just as 22 is going to be. Maybe Republicans winning elections is a coup to the Democratic party?


there is no evidence of a red wave at the moment.

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:31 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
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Hope?

Why do that to yourself? He only has to hold off for like what, 23 days?

Until the end of the year. The new Congress gets sworn in in early January.
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Postby American Legionaries » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:32 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Zilam wrote:
If there is no economic relief in sight, then 2024 will be a red win just as 22 is going to be. Maybe Republicans winning elections is a coup to the Democratic party?


there is no evidence of a red wave at the moment.


Well there's no votes being counted yet.

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Postby El Lazaro » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:33 pm

Gravlen wrote:
Zilam wrote:Meanwhile, the #1 issue for Americans is still the economy, and the last inflation report before the elections shows that inflation rose again from August to September. Are people going to care about Trump's subpoena when

Gas is up 18%, electricity is up 15%, groceries are up 13%, baby food up 12% and earnings are down 3%


I doubt it.

Thankfully, Republicans will strengthen the economy by banning books about gay people and forcing the woke communists heading up megacorporations to pay less taxes.

Invading Venezuela could reduce gas prices until the rest of OPEC embargoes the US. Russia wasn’t selling much oil to the US in the first place, so ending sanctions/aid to Ukraine wouldn’t be too helpful.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:33 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
there is no evidence of a red wave at the moment.


Well there's no votes being counted yet.


Yes but the signs are not there of a red wave.

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Postby American Legionaries » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:34 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Well there's no votes being counted yet.


Yes but the signs are not there of a red wave.


What signs are those?

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:35 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Yes but the signs are not there of a red wave.


What signs are those?


Special elections in state legislatures and Congress. Democrats have equaled or outperformed number from 2020. That's not what you'd be seeing if there was a red wave coming.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:36 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Why do that to yourself? He only has to hold off for like what, 23 days?

Until the end of the year. The new Congress gets sworn in in early January.

Once they're lame duck he'll just declare them illegitimate. This dude is so squirmy I'll be holding my applause until he actually takes the stage.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
What signs are those?


Special elections in state legislatures and Congress. Democrats have equaled or outperformed number from 2020. That's not what you'd be seeing if there was a red wave coming.

How bold of you to assume that voters actually care about special elections...
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:49 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Special elections in state legislatures and Congress. Democrats have equaled or outperformed number from 2020. That's not what you'd be seeing if there was a red wave coming.

How bold of you to assume that voters actually care about special elections...


They are very indicative when it comes to general elections especially state legislative ones

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:53 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Special elections in state legislatures and Congress. Democrats have equaled or outperformed number from 2020. That's not what you'd be seeing if there was a red wave coming.

How bold of you to assume that voters actually care about special elections...

TBH polling is showing that it’s most likely going to be a wash for both sides
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