American Politics XIV: The Dawning of the Age of the Pumpkin

[Zurkerx]

It's a mark of a failed system that winning elections are deemed more important than convicting corrupt officials.

Unfortunately, you're not wrong, and it's a big failure within the American System.

I like to think that they're making sure they have a dead lock case that can't be derailed. But then, I like to think a lot of things.

That's probably the case too though it seems the evidence is quite strong. Either way, we won't know until after the Mid-Terms and Trump's attempts to stall fail.

[Imperial Samiller]

Well most politicians are corrupt, a good example is Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), but what sets trump apart is how he is so open about it and willing to not only bend the rules, but brag about bending them because his fans will support him no matter what.

I don't go for that 'most/all politicians are corrupt' jive. It's lazy but worse, it's enabling. Why should they make excuses when we're willing to step up and essentially give them their own 'boys will be boys' excuses. Be specific. If you have an issue of corruption stick with that. Like the dude you mentioned? Couldn't find shit. Don't know what you're talking about. Makes me feel like the 'corruption' is going to turn out to be 'has policies you don't like'. That's the problem with that blanket statement 'most/all politicians are corrupt'. It lacks scrutiny but makes the person saying it sound like they're on top of it when they're not.

Im going to let these examples speak for themselves.

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/politics/company-owned-by-blumenthals-wife-traded-robinhood-securities-as-he-called-for-investigation/2716797/ (Orders investigation into company that made him money.)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703691804575254424061921614 (Lied about fighting in Vietnam)

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/18/nyregion/18blumenthal.html (Twice)

https://www.opensecrets.org/personal-finances/richard-blumenthal/net-worth?cid=N00031685&year=2015 3rd richest guy in the senate. How do you get that rich on an attorney generals salary? Nobody knows.

As for his policies, I couldn't give fewer fucks.

[Yerachmeal]

Well most politicians are corrupt, a good example is Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), but what sets trump apart is how he is so open about it and willing to not only bend the rules, but brag about bending them because his fans will support him no matter what.

Most politicians are not corrupt. Most politicians are not well known because there is nothing corrupt to dig up about them. Example: Angie Craig. Who? A random representative. She's not well known because there's nothing to say about her. I don't think she's corrupt. Even some of the better known ones like Gabbard, or Romney... Even Obama or Desanthis. How corrupt are they?

If there's one thing I want to be recognized for on this forum it's that I'm anti-stereotype. All politicians is a stereotype. Just because you disagree with a politician's views doesn't mean they're corrupt.

[Yerachmeal]

I decided to find out what kind of "centrists" AOC and MTG are:

AOC:
https://centervalues.github.io/results. ... 6.4&s=34.1

MTG:
https://centervalues.github.io/results. ... 3.2&s=18.2

I'd say that this shows they are definitely not centrists.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

MTG is not a centrist by any stretch of the imagination.

[Mattopilos III]

Didn’t this thread have a similar conversation with Lumen a week ago?

Like GMS; things are often repeated.

Holy shit - long time no see friend!
Nice that some people I remember have hung around. Lumen has been here forever too.

[The Jamesian Republic]

MTG is not a centrist by any stretch of the imagination.

The sky is also blue. More at 11.

[Yerachmeal]

MTG is not a centrist by any stretch of the imagination.

I know, and look at the results she got when I put in what I think her answers would be in the center values test. It agrees with you.

[Yerachmeal]

I know, and look at the results she got when I put in what I think her answers would be in the center values test. It agrees with you.

I, however, am a good person to take this test.
https://centervalues.github.io/results. ... 0.9&s=54.5
Even right values sais so:
https://rightvaluestest.github.io/resul ... 0.0&g=32.5

[Cannot think of a name]

I don't go for that 'most/all politicians are corrupt' jive. It's lazy but worse, it's enabling. Why should they make excuses when we're willing to step up and essentially give them their own 'boys will be boys' excuses. Be specific. If you have an issue of corruption stick with that. Like the dude you mentioned? Couldn't find shit. Don't know what you're talking about. Makes me feel like the 'corruption' is going to turn out to be 'has policies you don't like'. That's the problem with that blanket statement 'most/all politicians are corrupt'. It lacks scrutiny but makes the person saying it sound like they're on top of it when they're not.

Im going to let these examples speak for themselves.

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/politics/company-owned-by-blumenthals-wife-traded-robinhood-securities-as-he-called-for-investigation/2716797/ (Orders investigation into company that made him money.)

Your lead for him being corrupt was that even though the company is one his wife's company has traded with he still called for an investigation? Was that the foot you wanted to put first?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703691804575254424061921614 (Lied about fighting in Vietnam)

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/18/nyregion/18blumenthal.html (Twice)

Admittedly shady and people can feel the way they feel about it, people who've actually served in combat probably are going to have strong feelings about that that are valid. Lying about his bio (you don't mispeak 'in' Vietnam vs "during Vietnam" dude knew what he was doing...don't know why he thought that was a good idea or that no one would look that up)

Lying about his bio though seems like a low bar. I don't really know anything about this dude. But this really just rises to the level of 'not ideal'.

https://www.opensecrets.org/personal-finances/richard-blumenthal/net-worth?cid=N00031685&year=2015 3rd richest guy in the senate. How do you get that rich on an attorney generals salary? Nobody knows.

Seems like his wife has a robust investment company, probably that? Just pointing to that fact is not really enough.

As for his policies, I couldn't give fewer fucks.

Honestly this is the first time I've ever heard of this cat, but you got it bad for him. It was just a guess. I'm not really interested in digging down on it. I'm not going to defend some fucker I just heard of, my objection was to that broad dismissal as lazy and ultimately enabling. I don't really care if you have a big hate on for one guy, not really germain to my point...though it is at least specific so it's a step up.

[Port Caverton]

Didn’t this thread have a similar conversation with Lumen a week ago?

NSG is basically just a cycle between a few users debating various times over the same topic while some newcomers comment a few times and then leave.

[The Jamesian Republic]

I know, and look at the results she got when I put in what I think her answers would be in the center values test. It agrees with you.

I, however, am a good person to take this test.
https://centervalues.github.io/results. ... 0.9&s=54.5
Even right values sais so:
https://rightvaluestest.github.io/resul ... 0.0&g=32.5

On the Right Values Test I got Geolibertarian. But Progressive Conservatism came in a close second.

[Yerachmeal]

On the Right Values Test I got Geolibertarian. But Progressive Conservatism came in a close second.

Both make sense. Georgism is a leftist value even when it's also libertarian, so it makes sense you'd get that. Would you say it was accurate? Also did you take the left values test? (I think that it would represent you better based on your manifesto.)

[The Jamesian Republic]

On the Right Values Test I got Geolibertarian. But Progressive Conservatism came in a close second.

Both make sense. Georgism is a leftist value even when it's also libertarian, so it makes sense you'd get that. Would you say it was accurate? Also did you take the left values test? (I think that it would represent you better based on your manifesto.)

Yeah I would say that’s accurate. I’m a Libertarian on social issues but economically leftwing

Yes. I took Left Values. I got Market Anarchist. Although last year I got Utopian Socialism.

[Yerachmeal]

Didn’t this thread have a similar conversation with Lumen a week ago?

NSG is basically just a cycle between a few users debating various times over the same topic while some newcomers comment a few times and then leave.

Can't say that about this newcomer.

[Samudera Darussalam]

What? And please don't copy and paste your comment.

Ignore them. They've been reported in Moderation.

[Picairn]

Didn’t this thread have a similar conversation with Lumen a week ago?

NSG is basically just a cycle between a few users debating various times over the same topic while some newcomers comment a few times and then leave.

And the occasional DOS spammers jump in to interrupt from time to time before getting DEATed again and everything resumes as normal.

Also, you guys might want to remove all the quotes from the spammer in your posts.

[Yerachmeal]

I'm confused. Is it just my computer that RuZZian 7's posts were all deleted on?

[Dimetrodon Empire]

I'm confused. Is it just my computer that RuZZian 7's posts were all deleted on?

Yes, the moderators nuked the posts and nation. They're just a DOS former user who is just trying to get a negative reaction out of us.

[Yerachmeal]

Yes, the moderators nuked the posts and nation. They're just a DOS former user who is just trying to get a negative reaction out of us.

Shame, he (or was it she?) was kind of funny.

[Yerachmeal]

I think that was the 3rd ejection this month. I suddenly fear for my nation.

[Necroghastia]

I think that was the 3rd ejection this month. I suddenly fear for my nation.

Are you going to go around spamming racial slurs and otherwise trolling and harassing people? No? Then you're good.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

I think that was the 3rd ejection this month. I suddenly fear for my nation.

I just received a warning for antics in another thread. Despite any criticisms I may have of the moderation team, I know I will not find my nation deleted without good cause.

[Improper Classifications]

Shame, he (or was it she?) was kind of funny.

There are also spam topics of slurs repeated over and over. My sense of humor is slowly breaking down, and that means I'm laughing for some reason.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

The idiotic actions of a spammer are sometimes funny though it can get old after a while.