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Who do you think will win come November?

Republicans in Both Houses
41
30%
Republican House, Democratic Senate
57
42%
Democratic House, Republican Senate
12
9%
Democrats in Both Houses
26
19%
 
Total votes : 136

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:16 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:and it is a fact the Leftist Democrats only want their Leftist views taught on history, gender, LGBT and current events.


You see when two parties want only their views taught it’s time to go back in time and make sure George Washington’s opinions on political parties are enforced.


A couple of my history teachers liked mentioning such comments. Did that make them lefties?
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Postby Eahland » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:19 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:You see when two parties want only their views taught it’s time to go back in time and make sure George Washington’s opinions on political parties are enforced.

If the Founders wanted Washington's opinions on political parties enforced, they shouldn't have founded a system that enforces the creation of exactly two political parties.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:19 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
You see when two parties want only their views taught it’s time to go back in time and make sure George Washington’s opinions on political parties are enforced.


A couple of my history teachers liked mentioning such comments. Did that make them lefties?


No.

But sometimes I do think Washington was right about political parties. But I know it was probably not possible.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:19 am

Eahland wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:You see when two parties want only their views taught it’s time to go back in time and make sure George Washington’s opinions on political parties are enforced.

If the Founders wanted Washington's opinions on political parties enforced, they shouldn't have founded a system that enforces the creation of exactly two political parties.


That….makes no sense.
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:21 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:and it is a fact the Leftist Democrats only want their Leftist views taught on history, gender, LGBT and current events.


You see when two parties want only their views taught it’s time to go back in time and make sure George Washington’s opinions on political parties are enforced.


Washington's opposition to political parties was farcical. While he spoke against factionalism, Washington was a staunch Federalist in practice, and stacked the government with strongly Federalist officers. So much so that Thomas Jefferson resigned his position as secretary of state because he constantly clashed with the other members of the cabinet. And even John Adams, the first technically Federalist president, clashed with Hamilton and Pickering because he found their views too extreme.

Even after leaving office Washington used his influence to push Federalists into positions of power, famously threatening to resign as commander of the army unless he was allowed to appoint strong Federalist to high rank within the army.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:22 am

American Legionaries wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
You see when two parties want only their views taught it’s time to go back in time and make sure George Washington’s opinions on political parties are enforced.


Washington's opposition to political parties was farcical. While he spoke against factionalism, Washington was a staunch Federalist in practice, and stacked the government with strongly Federalist officers. So much so that Thomas Jefferson resigned his position as secretary of state because he constantly clashed with the other members of the cabinet. And even John Adams, the first technically Federalist president, clashed with Hamilton and Pickering because he found their views too extreme.

Even after leaving office Washington used his influence to push Federalists into positions of power, famously threatening to resign as commander of the army unless he was allowed to appoint strong Federalist to high rank within the army.


I know that.

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Postby El Lazaro » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:26 am

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The Black Forrest wrote:
Oh one for the books: Somebody sent me a tweet of Don Jr. It seems he thinks the lefties want low yield nukes in Ukraine because that will help climate change.

It seems to be a Trump specialty. Tell lies and repeat telling lies.

On CRT; you have to feel kind of sorry the the people fighting it. It’s hard for them to see children learning what their parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, etc. did….


I don’t listen to Don Jr. anyway but what made him say that?

Also I thought CRT was just to show the history of certain policies like slavery, segregation etc affected people in the past and how it affects people today.

The Ministry of Truth is rectifying everything that happened before Reagan was elected and ended all things doubleplusungood (besides George Soros). Please keep malreports away from the Outer Party in the meantime.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:28 am

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The Jamesian Republic wrote:
I don’t listen to Don Jr. anyway but what made him say that?

Also I thought CRT was just to show the history of certain policies like slavery, segregation etc affected people in the past and how it affects people today.

The Ministry of Truth is rectifying everything that happened before Reagan was elected and ended all things doubleplusungood (besides George Soros). Please keep malreports away from the Outer Party in the meantime.


Literally 1984.

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:29 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Repetition doesn't make the nonsensical make sense.

You guys do it too, especially on Trump, everyday you guys make the same arguments, Trump guilty of everything and anything, Trump bad, Trump no good and Trump evil. CRT does not teach kids America is bad, which it does. No matter what the issues are, you guys do it too.


So how is CRT teaching kids that America is bad?
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Postby Juristonia » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:29 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:I don’t listen to Don Jr. anyway but what made him say that?

It's Don Jr. so, probably cocaine.
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Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby Eahland » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:30 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Eahland wrote:If the Founders wanted Washington's opinions on political parties enforced, they shouldn't have founded a system that enforces the creation of exactly two political parties.


That….makes no sense.

Washington talked a lot about how political parties were bad. But the system the Founders created and Washington presided over requires, through its basic mechanisms, factions to sort into exactly two opposing big-tent parties. That's why the "parties are bad, mmkay?" thing didn't even survive Washington, and we've always, except for a couple of brief transitional periods, had exactly two relevant political parties. It hasn't always been the Democrats and the Republicans, and those names haven't always meant the same thing, but it's always been two.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:30 am

Juristonia wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:I don’t listen to Don Jr. anyway but what made him say that?

It's Don Jr. so, probably cocaine.


Maybe he and Hunter should team up.

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Postby El Lazaro » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:31 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:The Ministry of Truth is rectifying everything that happened before Reagan was elected and ended all things doubleplusungood (besides George Soros). Please keep malreports away from the Outer Party in the meantime.


Literally 1984.

Which will be referred to as the Year of Our Reagan 1/The Beginning of History from now on, unless you wish to be vaporized.

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Postby Juristonia » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:33 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Juristonia wrote:It's Don Jr. so, probably cocaine.


Maybe he and Hunter should team up.

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Damn the man! Save the Empire!
Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.

Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby Deblar » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:37 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote: :) lol GMS repeats it because it is the best way to say it.


Repetition doesn't make the nonsensical make sense.

In politics, lies are just facts that haven’t been repeated enough yet

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:44 am

Deblar wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Repetition doesn't make the nonsensical make sense.

In politics, lies are just facts that haven’t been repeated enough yet

If your statement fits Republicans it fits Democrats too.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:49 am

Republicans really haven't been sending their best facts recently.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:51 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
"You're un-American, no you're un-American!" :roll:

As if anyone can even agree what that word means.


Is it un-American to not support gun ownership? ;)

It is un Texan :).
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:53 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Is it un-American to not support gun ownership? ;)

It is un Texan :).


So when are you going to explain how CRT is teaching kids that America is bad?
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:53 am

El Lazaro wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Literally 1984.

Which will be referred to as the Year of Our Reagan 1/The Beginning of History from now on, unless you wish to be vaporized.


Vaporize me please.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:54 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Republicans really haven't been sending their best facts recently.


You have to admit; they are really talented at mental gymnastics.

I wonder if that can be an Olympic event?
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:56 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Republicans really haven't been sending their best facts recently.

and Leftist Democrats always tell the truth and Facts, lol :).
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:15 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Republicans really haven't been sending their best facts recently.

and Leftist Democrats always tell the truth and Facts, lol :).


Correct. However, the Democrat leadership are inconsistently competent system politicians. A significant number of Republicans in post or aspiring to be elected are so detached from reality that the only institution they should be entering is one with padded cells.

It is the difference between normal bullshit political twisting of the truth to appeal to demographics and win support for a weak platform vs being utterly deranged.
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Postby El Lazaro » Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:18 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Which will be referred to as the Year of Our Reagan 1/The Beginning of History from now on, unless you wish to be vaporized.


Vaporize me please.

It feels weird now that you said that.

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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:20 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:and Leftist Democrats always tell the truth and Facts, lol :).


Correct. However, the Democrat leadership are inconsistently competent system politicians. A significant number of Republicans in post or aspiring to be elected are so detached from reality that the only institution they should be entering is one with padded cells.

It is the difference between normal bullshit political twisting of the truth to appeal to demographics and win support for a weak platform vs being utterly deranged.


"Our lies are better than yours" is a solid defense.

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