American Politics XIV: The Dawning of the Age of the Pumpkin

[The Jamesian Republic]

No, Kim Il Sung.

Yes, lib.

No.

[Port Caverton]

Yes, lib.

No.

Yes. Everyone in the nation will go to Bush shrines every Wednesday.

[The Black Forrest]

Nah, make Dubya the eternal president of America.

No, Kim Il Sung.

How about Bang Ding Ow?

[Deblar]

No, Kim Il Sung.

Yes, lib.

So yes, Kim Il Sung? Based! /j

[The Jamesian Republic]

No.

Yes. Everyone in the nation will go to Bush shrines every Wednesday.

Go to Gitmo.

[Port Caverton]

Yes. Everyone in the nation will go to Bush shrines every Wednesday.

Go to Gitmo.

Anything to keep it open!

[The Two Jerseys]

No you whined how you think its unfair cause cows. I, and others, have pointed out how disingenuous that your position is, because it's not rooted in a love of democracy as you claim. You don't have a love of democracy, you have a love of democrats. You want cities making the rurals their serfs cause you think that gives democrats in your state power. I explained to you how and why the system works, and you agreed it makes perfect sense. Your words. You just wanted to exempt your precious city from it, because you live in a city and you want to retain an unfair level of authority over your rural serfdom. Your position is entirely disingenuous and self serving, and we would all be better off if you just admitted you hate farmers because the tend to side with your opposition.




You haven't made any points san, you've tried to derail the point at every opportunity to deflect from the worthlessness of your positions. Hence why this started as an issue about your terrible idea to make everyone drive electric cars, yet somehow we're back on apportionment.

Why is this one sided? Why is it cities are making farmers their serfs?

Cleveland, Indianapolis, Des Moines, Kansas City have different values then someone living in a farmhouse.

How does your ludicrous corruption of how democracy works not apply to them? It’s only in America we see nonsense arguments like this.

Funny how that "corruption of democracy" would result in a more fair allocation of House seats to parties...

[Suriyanakhon]

Cleveland, Indianapolis, Des Moines, Kansas City have different values then someone living in a farmhouse.

Oh? What are these different values?

[Tarsonis]

No you whined how you think its unfair cause cows. I, and others, have pointed out how disingenuous that your position is, because it's not rooted in a love of democracy as you claim. You don't have a love of democracy, you have a love of democrats. You want cities making the rurals their serfs cause you think that gives democrats in your state power. I explained to you how and why the system works, and you agreed it makes perfect sense. Your words. You just wanted to exempt your precious city from it, because you live in a city and you want to retain an unfair level of authority over your rural serfdom. Your position is entirely disingenuous and self serving, and we would all be better off if you just admitted you hate farmers because the tend to side with your opposition.




You haven't made any points san, you've tried to derail the point at every opportunity to deflect from the worthlessness of your positions. Hence why this started as an issue about your terrible idea to make everyone drive electric cars, yet somehow we're back on apportionment.

Why is this one sided? Why is it cities are making farmers their serfs?

Cause unlike you I don't want anybody to be serfs. The American system doesn't turn the majority into serfs for the minority, or vice versa. It balances the discrepencies.

Cleveland, Indianapolis, Des Moines, Kansas City have different values then someone living in a farmhouse.

They're worth 6 ducks while the farmer is worth 8 kangaroos.

How does your ludicrous corruption of how democracy works not apply to them? It’s only in America we see nonsense arguments like this.

You literally said the argument made perfect sense. If you don't like America, feel free to leave.

[Yerachmeal]

Cleveland, Indianapolis, Des Moines, Kansas City have different values then someone living in a farmhouse.

Oh? What are these different values?

Well... I mean farmers rarely follow polotics so they probably have more simplistic views then your average city folk.

[Shrillland]

Oh? What are these different values?

Well... I mean farmers rarely follow polotics so they probably have more simplistic views then your average city folk.

That isn't remotely true, any farmers do follow politics fairly closely, their livelihood depends on things like trade and agricultural policy as well as concern for the climate if they aren't sceptics.

[San Lumen]

Why is this one sided? Why is it cities are making farmers their serfs?

Cause unlike you I don't want anybody to be serfs. The American system doesn't turn the majority into serfs for the minority, or vice versa. It balances the discrepencies.

Cleveland, Indianapolis, Des Moines, Kansas City have different values then someone living in a farmhouse.

They're worth 6 ducks while the farmer is worth 8 kangaroos.

How does your ludicrous corruption of how democracy works not apply to them? It’s only in America we see nonsense arguments like this.

You literally said the argument made perfect sense. If you don't like America, feel free to leave.

No one is a serf. You merely don’t like that those with your beliefs which happen to align with rural communities don’t always dominate the government.

Why won’t you say the reason this is a problem in New York but not Ohio or Missouri?

What I’m almost certain I said was it makes perfect sense but there are flaws.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Why can't we have proportional representation and a multi-party system instead if this imaginary Rural vs Urban divide that our two party system thrives on?

The short answer is that the two parties are so hopelessly entrenched that the electoral reform needed couldn't possibly pass. Then too, the public would be opposed because they'd think it was too complicated.

Yeah, it would make too much sense.

[Mattopilos III]

An-coms wonder why their ideology isn't the main one in the world and then say some shit like disband the military. My brother even the Taliban could bring your communism to an end.

You think the Taliban is highly organised?

[El Lazaro]

Well... I mean farmers rarely follow polotics so they probably have more simplistic views then your average city folk.

That isn't remotely true, any farmers do follow politics fairly closely, their livelihood depends on things like trade and agricultural policy as well as concern for the climate if they aren't sceptics.

What’s rarely mentioned is that Big Ag gets an amount of corporate welfare comparable to the fossil fuel lobby. Farmers are overrepresented in federal politics, but only the wealthy ones benefit for the most part.

[Yerachmeal]

That isn't remotely true, any farmers do follow politics fairly closely, their livelihood depends on things like trade and agricultural policy as well as concern for the climate if they aren't sceptics.

No politicians are anti agriculture, at least I don't know of any anarcho-primitivists. I also don't think they tend to... know if they believe in global warming or not. It's not that I think they're unintelligent, I just don't think they care about science or politics. Obviously this is all generalizing, I'm sure there are exceptions to this.

[Free Algerstonia]

That isn't remotely true, any farmers do follow politics fairly closely, their livelihood depends on things like trade and agricultural policy as well as concern for the climate if they aren't sceptics.

No politicians are anti agriculture, at least I don't know of any anarcho-primitivists. I also don't think they tend to... know if they believe in global warming or not. It's not that I think they're unintelligent, I just don't think they care about science or politics. Obviously this is all generalizing, I'm sure there are exceptions to this.

oops, i read a book on anarcho-primitivism the other day and i switched my ideology to anarcho-primitivism after reading it

[Yerachmeal]

oops, i read a book on anarcho-primitivism the other day and i switched my ideology to anarcho-primitivism after reading it

Stop using technology because that is not primitive

[Free Algerstonia]

oops, i read a book on anarcho-primitivism the other day and i switched my ideology to anarcho-primitivism after reading it

Stop using technology because that is not primitive

im typing on blackberry

[Eahland]

Stop using technology because that is not primitive

im typing on blackberry

It's impressive how your smears of berry juice are making it onto the Internet. Score one for hunter-gathering, I guess.

[Tarsonis]

Cause unlike you I don't want anybody to be serfs. The American system doesn't turn the majority into serfs for the minority, or vice versa. It balances the discrepencies.




They're worth 6 ducks while the farmer is worth 8 kangaroos.



You literally said the argument made perfect sense. If you don't like America, feel free to leave.

No one is a serf. You merely don’t like that those with your beliefs which happen to align with rural communities don’t always dominate the government.

You don't even know my beliefs San, subtedly trying to call me a republican didn't make it any more accurate than when you overty did it. Stop projecting your hypocrisies on other people.

Why won’t you say the reason this is a problem in New York but not Ohio or Missouri?

Because I never said that. I'm not gonna explain a premise I've never asserted nor believed.

What I’m almost certain I said was it makes perfect sense but there are flaws.

No you said it makes perfect sense except for cities. Which are somehow exempt from this setup that makes sense at litterally ever other level of government. You're not half as subtle as you think you are San. Your rationale is telegraphed ridiculously clearly.

You oppose the EC, not because a "belief in democracy," but because it handed Trump a victory. If the roles were reversed, and Trump won the Popular vote but lost the EC to Clinton, you wouldn't be demanding the EC tear up the votes and declare Trump the winner. You wouldn't calling for the ECs destruction, you'd be praising it as a genius mechanic the founders had envisioned.

You want to expand the senate, not because a "belief in democracy," but because the Republicans control the senate which has been used to put 3 conservative justices on the court and block legislation you wanted passed. If the roles were reversed, an it were democrats that controlled the senate while the Republicans had the house and a larger voter base, and 3 liberal justices pushed through and blocking legislation you absolutely hated, You would oppose any effort to expand the Senate and be thanking your lucky stars the founders set up a system that way.


You're harping proportional representation, not because a "belief in democracy." but because you know that urban areas are more densely populated than rural areas while being typically more liberal than rurals. You know this means the city caucuses will always be able to dominate thr rural caucuses, which is mostly a built in advantage for the democrats. With Republicans holding so many states, all democrat states are vital to protect. You will opposed any system that might weaken their hold on those states.

You'd be lying if you denied any of those examples, and we both know it. I don't even blame you, there's valid reason to be concerned and tempted to violate the Constitution to keep them out of power. But don't pretend you care about democracy, you don't. You will sacrifice any tenant of democracy if it means keeping Democrats in power, because that is all that matters to you, and you've admitted it multiple times over.

Unlike you, I don't believe in Republicans or Democrats, I believe in the system. It works, even when it doesn't produce the results I'd like. I actually believe in American Democracy and the principles behind how it operates. You don't, you're just tired of losing.

[Mountains and Volcanoes]

Trump’s Geopolitical Failure!

Republican’s (Far-Right) Authoritarian Fascination!

[Mattopilos III]

An-coms wonder why their ideology isn't the main one in the world and then say some shit like disband the military. My brother even the Taliban could bring your communism to an end.

You think the Taliban is highly organised?

Just to add to this, the reason the Taliban were hard to take down was because they WEREN'T highly organised - it wasn't like you killed a single leader and it all collapsed - it was highly decentralised and involved people working on their own shit for the same cause.

[Eahland]

So, due to my unusual network setup, IP geolocation thinks I'm at my ISP's regional datacenter, so the ads I get on streaming are localized for eastern New Hampshire/southern Maine rather than Vermont. This means that, while I haven't seen any ads for the races I'm actually voting in, I've been getting deluged with ads for the New Hampshire Senate race.

I have yet to see an ad for Bolduc. The Hassan campaign has been running ads both for Hassan* and against Bolduc, but every single Bolduc ad has been an attack ad against Maggie Hassan. If I were working only off the Bolduc campaign's ads, I wouldn't even know who was running against Hassan. This seems like a dubious strategic choice.

* (Though, honestly, a lot of the "pro-Hassan" ads seem from my perspective like she's running attack ads against herself, because she's trying to position herself as "basically a Republican". Bragging about how you cooperate with Republicans and like to give money to the cops is not how you gain my support.)

[Pasong Tirad]

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