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Who do you think will win come November?

Republicans in Both Houses
41
30%
Republican House, Democratic Senate
57
42%
Democratic House, Republican Senate
12
9%
Democrats in Both Houses
26
19%
 
Total votes : 136

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San Lumen
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:19 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Remind me what your so called completely fair system is.


Sigh, Us Federal Government at state level. Amend all state constitutions to adopt a bicameral system, one apportioned by population the other apportioned equally by county/district/whateveryou want to call it. Standardizes government systems, the people get their proportional representations, and where as the inherently less populous areas get a check against their voices being completely drowned out by the inherently larger systems. Everybody wins.


And I explained to you how it’s unfair and undemocratic multiple times. You refuse to provide any rebuttal to my points other than stupid statements and insults.

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American Legionaries
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby American Legionaries » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:20 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
No.


But, and hear me out now,... Jeb.


I had the opportunity, Tars... I could have clapped... and I was too cowardly...

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The Two Jerseys
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:20 pm

Greater Guantanamo wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:

What America really needs is the Bush Dynasty ruling the country.

Jeb! 2: Please Clap Boogaloo
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Tarsonis
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Tarsonis » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Sigh, Us Federal Government at state level. Amend all state constitutions to adopt a bicameral system, one apportioned by population the other apportioned equally by county/district/whateveryou want to call it. Standardizes government systems, the people get their proportional representations, and where as the inherently less populous areas get a check against their voices being completely drowned out by the inherently larger systems. Everybody wins.


And I explained to you how it’s unfair and undemocratic multiple times.

No you whined how you think its unfair cause cows. I, and others, have pointed out how disingenuous that your position is, because it's not rooted in a love of democracy as you claim. You don't have a love of democracy, you have a love of democrats. You want cities making the rurals their serfs cause you think that gives democrats in your state power. I explained to you how and why the system works, and you agreed it makes perfect sense. Your words. You just wanted to exempt your precious city from it, because you live in a city and you want to retain an unfair level of authority over your rural serfdom. Your position is entirely disingenuous and self serving, and we would all be better off if you just admitted you hate farmers because the tend to side with your opposition.


You refuse to provide any rebuttal to my points other than stupid statements and insults.


You haven't made any points san, you've tried to derail the point at every opportunity to deflect from the worthlessness of your positions. Hence why this started as an issue about your terrible idea to make everyone drive electric cars, yet somehow we're back on apportionment.
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American Legionaries
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby American Legionaries » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Sigh, Us Federal Government at state level. Amend all state constitutions to adopt a bicameral system, one apportioned by population the other apportioned equally by county/district/whateveryou want to call it. Standardizes government systems, the people get their proportional representations, and where as the inherently less populous areas get a check against their voices being completely drowned out by the inherently larger systems. Everybody wins.


And I explained to you how it’s unfair and undemocratic multiple times. You refuse to provide any rebuttal to my points other than stupid statements and insults.


I don't imagine Tarsonis cares what you think, honestly.

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Yerachmeal
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Ex-Nation

Postby Yerachmeal » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:24 pm

Greater Guantanamo wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
No. Enough with your imperialism.

Yes.

We also need to install Gitmocracy in the entirety of the Americas.

Wow. I didn't think I'd see ideas that rival AOC's levl of logic, but yours comes quite close.
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The Two Jerseys
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Sigh, Us Federal Government at state level. Amend all state constitutions to adopt a bicameral system, one apportioned by population the other apportioned equally by county/district/whateveryou want to call it. Standardizes government systems, the people get their proportional representations, and where as the inherently less populous areas get a check against their voices being completely drowned out by the inherently larger systems. Everybody wins.


And I explained to you how it’s unfair and undemocratic multiple times.

Urban and rural areas both having a say in government is unfair?
You refuse to provide any rebuttal to my points other than stupid statements and insults.

Ironic.
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Tarsonis
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Tarsonis » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:25 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
But, and hear me out now,... Jeb.


I had the opportunity, Tars... I could have clapped... and I was too cowardly...


I did clap, unfortunately it was after the election.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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American Legionaries
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Founded: Nov 03, 2021
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby American Legionaries » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:25 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And I explained to you how it’s unfair and undemocratic multiple times.

No you whined how you think its unfair cause cows. You want cities making the rurals their surfs.


You refuse to provide any rebuttal to my points other than stupid statements and insults.


You haven't made any points san, you've tried to derail the point at every opportunity to deflect from the worthlessness of your positions. Hence why this started as an issue about your terrible idea to make everyone drive electric cars, yet somehow we're back on apportionment.


I'd prefer to be a surf to San Luis or Cayucos, being a surf to a bigger city would suck...

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Tarsonis
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Tarsonis » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:27 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:No you whined how you think its unfair cause cows. You want cities making the rurals their surfs.




You haven't made any points san, you've tried to derail the point at every opportunity to deflect from the worthlessness of your positions. Hence why this started as an issue about your terrible idea to make everyone drive electric cars, yet somehow we're back on apportionment.


I'd prefer to be a surf to San Luis or Cayucos, being a surf to a bigger city would suck...


True, they don't get any waves.
NS Keyboard Warrior since 2005
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Tarsonis
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Founded: Sep 20, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tarsonis » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:31 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
To tear down all state governments and the federal government. didn't want you getting overly excited.


I'm hardly an anarchist. I don't mind there being state or federal governments. I just want them to not be scumbags.


Can't be scumbags if they don't exist.
NS Keyboard Warrior since 2005
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Greater Guantanamo
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Founded: Aug 27, 2022
Corporate Police State

Postby Greater Guantanamo » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:31 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Greater Guantanamo wrote:What America really needs is the Bush Dynasty ruling the country.

Jeb! 2: Please Clap Boogaloo

I was thinking more like Dubya gets a third term, and a fourth one, and a fifth one...

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American Legionaries
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Founded: Nov 03, 2021
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby American Legionaries » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:32 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
I'm hardly an anarchist. I don't mind there being state or federal governments. I just want them to not be scumbags.


Can't be scumbags if they don't exist.


You're not wrong. And while I'd prefer nothing over scumbags, I would like actually decent government most of all.

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Deblar
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Posts: 4410
Founded: Jan 28, 2021
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Deblar » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:34 pm

Greater Guantanamo wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:

What America really needs is the Bush Dynasty ruling the country.

Nah, it's dead, let it rest in piss peace

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The Jamesian Republic
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Founded: Apr 28, 2020
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:35 pm

Greater Guantanamo wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Jeb! 2: Please Clap Boogaloo

I was thinking more like Dubya gets a third term, and a fourth one, and a fifth one...


Read my lips: No third or more terms. And new taxes.

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The Two Jerseys
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:36 pm

Greater Guantanamo wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Jeb! 2: Please Clap Boogaloo

I was thinking more like Dubya gets a third term, and a fourth one, and a fifth one...

Sad Jeb! noises...
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Deblar
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Founded: Jan 28, 2021
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Deblar » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:39 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Greater Guantanamo wrote:I was thinking more like Dubya gets a third term, and a fourth one, and a fifth one...

Sad Jeb! noises...

Just make Jeb Vice President and when Dubya inevitable croaks less than halfway through term no. 3, he takes control. Jeb takes his rightful position in the White House, and Dubya gets to be put out of his misery; it's a win-win
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Greater Guantanamo
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Corporate Police State

Postby Greater Guantanamo » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:40 pm

Deblar wrote:
Greater Guantanamo wrote:What America really needs is the Bush Dynasty ruling the country.

Nah, it's dead, let it rest in piss peace

No. I want Bushy in office again

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The Black Forrest
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:41 pm

Greater Guantanamo wrote:
Deblar wrote:Nah, it's dead, let it rest in piss peace

No. I want Bushy in office again


Why? As a sock puppet; any old sock puppet would do.
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San Lumen
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:41 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And I explained to you how it’s unfair and undemocratic multiple times.

No you whined how you think its unfair cause cows. I, and others, have pointed out how disingenuous that your position is, because it's not rooted in a love of democracy as you claim. You don't have a love of democracy, you have a love of democrats. You want cities making the rurals their serfs cause you think that gives democrats in your state power. I explained to you how and why the system works, and you agreed it makes perfect sense. Your words. You just wanted to exempt your precious city from it, because you live in a city and you want to retain an unfair level of authority over your rural serfdom. Your position is entirely disingenuous and self serving, and we would all be better off if you just admitted you hate farmers because the tend to side with your opposition.


You refuse to provide any rebuttal to my points other than stupid statements and insults.


You haven't made any points san, you've tried to derail the point at every opportunity to deflect from the worthlessness of your positions. Hence why this started as an issue about your terrible idea to make everyone drive electric cars, yet somehow we're back on apportionment.


Why is this one sided? Why is it cities are making farmers their serfs?

Cleveland, Indianapolis, Des Moines, Kansas City have different values then someone living in a farmhouse.

How does your ludicrous corruption of how democracy works not apply to them? It’s only in America we see nonsense arguments like this.

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The Black Forrest
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:44 pm

Deblar wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Sad Jeb! noises...

Just make Jeb Vice President and when Dubya inevitable croaks less than halfway through term no. 3, he takes control. Jeb takes his rightful position in the White House, and Dubya gets to be put out of his misery; it's a win-win


Pass. The Schiavo affair shows he would be a bad choice.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Port Caverton
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Port Caverton » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:47 pm

Deblar wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Sad Jeb! noises...

Just make Jeb Vice President and when Dubya inevitable croaks less than halfway through term no. 3, he takes control. Jeb takes his rightful position in the White House, and Dubya gets to be put out of his misery; it's a win-win

Nah, make Dubya the eternal president of America.
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The Jamesian Republic
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Founded: Apr 28, 2020
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:47 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Deblar wrote:Just make Jeb Vice President and when Dubya inevitable croaks less than halfway through term no. 3, he takes control. Jeb takes his rightful position in the White House, and Dubya gets to be put out of his misery; it's a win-win

Nah, make Dubya the eternal president of America.


No, Kim Il Sung.

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Deblar
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Founded: Jan 28, 2021
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Deblar » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:48 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Nah, make Dubya the eternal president of America.


No, Kim Il Sung.

No, Abraham Washington

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Port Caverton
Senator
 
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Founded: Oct 01, 2021
Democratic Socialists

Postby Port Caverton » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:50 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Nah, make Dubya the eternal president of America.


No, Kim Il Sung.

Yes, lib.
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