American Politics XIV: The Dawning of the Age of the Pumpkin

[Alcala-Cordel]

The latter has been an issue since the country was formed. Bourgeois electoralism isn't fixing anything.

What is your solution?

You know exactly what my solution is.

[San Lumen]

Clark county is 75 percent of the state's population.

But Republicans won the popular vote.

That appears to have been a fluke. Doesn't change geography.

[Mattopilos III]

Man, been about 4 years since I've stepped place on this forum.
What's the latest takes on American politics I can jump on in haha

[San Lumen]

What is your solution?

You know exactly what my solution is.

tell me again.

[The Black Forrest]

Here you go making your dumb statements again. The Republican party does;t share their values so why should they vote for them. This is like me complaining Democrats don't win the governorship in Wyoming or Idaho.

The Democratic Party doesn't share the values of the majority of the people of Nevada, yet you're fine with them controlling the legislature...

What are the values of the majority of Nevada?

[The Two Jerseys]

But Republicans won the popular vote.

That appears to have been a fluke. Doesn't change geography.

But people vote, not buildings and sidewalks.

[American Legionaries]

corruption and factionalism will continue to exist regardless of whether businessmen, the state, or workers own businesses.

Sure, but it can be mitigated to the point where things do work in favor of working people.

You mean in favor of communists.

[Mattopilos III]

Sure, but it can be mitigated to the point where things do work in favor of working people.

You mean in favor of communists.

I mean, if you assume supporting workers is analogous to supporting communism, sure? But that's not necessarily the case.

[Tarsonis]

I want the US System of Government implemented at state level. And it wasn't me who said that, it was Benjamin Franklin (along with most of the other founding fathers.) You'd know that, if you actually knew about the philosophies of American Government.



No, you did not posit that as a hypothetical. You adamantly advocated Democrats illegally rigging the system to empower themselves. If you cared about democracy you'd advocate the democrats stay the course and protect the integrity of the votes. You did not, because you care not. I've represented you exactly as you said.




Sure, but that's irrelevant to the point.

The problem is the Senate is elected statewide. We have been over ad nasuem how it is unfair to have elections by county for upper houses.

No, you've whined about it being unfair. That doesn't make it correct, and it is in fact not true.

NYC which is nearly 50 percent of the state population should not have just five state senators. Cattle and crops do not vote.

Which is why NYC should be a state unto itself, but I digress. The only reason you think that is again, because you think it benefits you to for the rurals to be forced to cowtow to the cities. You even admitted my position makes perfect sense, except where it robs cities of power (which it doesn't).

Why should Republicans be allowed to get away with defying the court and the other side has to be good little boys and girls and do what the judge says?

The real question is why you keep trying to make this about the republicans, when I've not once advocated for them. Could it be that you're advocating for the Democrats and so you think anyone challenging you is advocating for the Republicans? That's probably it.

[San Lumen]

That appears to have been a fluke. Doesn't change geography.

But people vote, not buildings and sidewalks.

I never said otherwise. It seems the 2020 election was a fluke. i doubt its replicated this year.

[The Two Jerseys]

But people vote, not buildings and sidewalks.

I never said otherwise. It seems the 2020 election was a fluke. i doubt its replicated this year.

Completely irrelevant.

[Yerachmeal]

But Republicans won the popular vote.

That appears to have been a fluke. Doesn't change geography.

Someone who thinks that popular vote should be the only factor is saying that it doesn't change geography.

[American Legionaries]

You mean in favor of communists.

I mean, if you assume supporting workers is analogous to supporting communism, sure? But that's not necessarily the case.

It's not an assumption when it's explicitly stated, new friend.

[San Lumen]

The problem is the Senate is elected statewide. We have been over ad nasuem how it is unfair to have elections by county for upper houses.

No, you've whined about it being unfair. That doesn't make it correct, and it is in fact not true.

NYC which is nearly 50 percent of the state population should not have just five state senators. Cattle and crops do not vote.

Which is why NYC should be a state unto itself, but I digress. The only reason you think that is again, because you think it benefits you to for the rurals to be forced to cowtow to the cities.

Why should Republicans be allowed to get away with defying the court and the other side has to be good little boys and girls and do what the judge says?

The real question is why you keep trying to make this about the republicans, when I've not once advocated for them. Could it be that you're advocating for the Democrats and so you think anyone challenging you is advocating for the Republicans? That's probably it.

Those farmers and small towns are part of the state like everyone else. We cannot and should not make every city its own state.
Democracy is not about only I get to make rules for my area and no one gets to have say over me if it conflicts with my values.

Why should Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati have to cowtow as you put it to the legislature? Should they be their own city states too?

[Rusozak]

You mean in favor of communists.

I mean, if you assume supporting workers is analogous to supporting communism, sure? But that's not necessarily the case.

In the land of Trumpistan, helping people is communism and selfishness is what they call "based."

[Alcala-Cordel]

You know exactly what my solution is.

tell me again.

Write a new constitution that guarantees the right to the means of production to all working people, alongside housing, food, water, and medicine as part of a transition to communism. Establish a less centralized and more direct form of democracy, get rid of the police and scrap the military, build new institutions to cover their roles but largely abandon them. Guarantee education to all people, allow for immigration, overhaul the entire transportation system, increase domestic and foreign aid. Criminalize capitalism and try existing capitalists, especially billionaires for crimes against humanity and the environment. Eventually get rid of that state altogether.

[Mattopilos III]

I mean, if you assume supporting workers is analogous to supporting communism, sure? But that's not necessarily the case.

It's not an assumption when it's explicitly stated, new friend.

I was here back in 2018, youngster

But yeah I did jump into this mid-convo, so I likely missed something lol

[Mattopilos III]

I mean, if you assume supporting workers is analogous to supporting communism, sure? But that's not necessarily the case.

In the land of Trumpistan, helping people is communism and selfishness is what they call "based."

They worship an individualism so vulgar that it is ironically very collectivist. They believe in individual freedom and expression... if you do it the way they like it and under their rule.

[Alcala-Cordel]

You mean in favor of communists.

I mean, if you assume supporting workers is analogous to supporting communism, sure? But that's not necessarily the case.

That's exactly what I meant, I'm a communist.

[The Black Forrest]

What exactly have the republicans fix in the last 50 years?

Kind of hard to fix anything when you're not in office...

Ok. What have they tried to fix in the last 50 years?

[Mattopilos III]

I mean, if you assume supporting workers is analogous to supporting communism, sure? But that's not necessarily the case.

That's exactly what I meant, I'm a communist.

Ah... fair.

[The Two Jerseys]

Kind of hard to fix anything when you're not in office...

Ok. What have they tried to fix in the last 50 years?

Again: it's kind of hard for Republicans to fix anything when they haven't been in office in the last 50 years.

[Yerachmeal]

I mean, if you assume supporting workers is analogous to supporting communism, sure? But that's not necessarily the case.

It's not an assumption when it's explicitly stated, new friend.

Workers rights does not equal communism. That's like saying if you're pro labor unions you're a communist. For that matter it's like saying if you oppose them then you are fascist.

[The Black Forrest]

Ok. What have they tried to fix in the last 50 years?

Again: it's kind of hard for Republicans to fix anything when they haven't been in office in the last 50 years.

*shrugs*. You could have simply wrote “Nothing”

That is the problem. Fixing things takes more effort then owning the libs.

[American Legionaries]

It's not an assumption when it's explicitly stated, new friend.

I was here back in 2018, youngster

But yeah I did jump into this mid-convo, so I likely missed something lol

Welcome back, youngster. Lmao.

Alcala-Codel is an explicitly outspoken communist. At this jucture, the assumption that his statement about "the working people" is a reference to his desire for a perceived communist utopia is a less dubious one than me assuming the sun will rise tomorrow.