While I don’t support the drug war, but I also don’t support things like “self-injection” sites.
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by Prima Scriptura » Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:51 pm
by Tarsonis » Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:52 pm
by The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:52 pm
by The Jamesian Republic » Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:55 pm
by Prima Scriptura » Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:56 pm
by The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:57 pm
Prima Scriptura wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
Drug addiction is a public health crisis and should be treated as such.
I agree, and I think mandatory inhumane treatment of drug abusers and of the mentally ill is necessary. We already have seen the consequences of a laissez-faire approach to addiction and mental health, and we have seem the consequences of a “just lock them up“ approach
by Prima Scriptura » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:07 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Prima Scriptura wrote:
I agree, and I think mandatory inhumane treatment of drug abusers and of the mentally ill is necessary. We already have seen the consequences of a laissez-faire approach to addiction and mental health, and we have seem the consequences of a “just lock them up“ approach
Did you write that right? Mandatory inhumane treatment? If so; explain…..
by Greater Miami Shores 3 » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:08 pm
by Prima Scriptura » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:12 pm
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Prima Scriptura wrote:
Trump y sus partidarios quieren deportar a los latinos que nacieron aquí si sus padres eran ilegales al momento del nacimiento
Translated to English: Trump and his supporters want to deport Latinos who were born here if their parents were illegal at the time of birth.
Trump y sus partidarios como yo, tenemos la razón - Trump and his supporters like me are right. I would only give them a path to citizenship in exchange for ending birth right citizenship for future sons of illegals born in the USA, which many of us think the 14th amendment to the US constitution has been misinterpreted for many years, and we hope the current conservative Republican majority on the US Supreme Court will reinterpret it correctly.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. The key words are all persons born or naturalized in the USA, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, so you have to be born and subject to the jurisdiction of the USA, or you have to be naturalized like I was in the USA to be a US citizen. Persons born in other nations are subject to the jurisdiction of their nations of legal birth and origin, not illegals in those nations and neither in the USA. This is why we and all nations have illegal immigration rules and regulations, even Mexico deports illegal persons.
by Umeria » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:17 pm
Prima Scriptura wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:Did you write that right? Mandatory inhumane treatment? If so; explain…..
*humane. In Minneapolis, the far-left wants to permit homeless camps and rapid drug use without any state intervention if it involves forcing people to get treatment. They would rather these poor people die.
by Prima Scriptura » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:20 pm
Umeria wrote:Prima Scriptura wrote:*humane. In Minneapolis, the far-left wants to permit homeless camps and rapid drug use without any state intervention if it involves forcing people to get treatment. They would rather these poor people die.
I suspect you're mischaracterizing their views. Is the left actually blocking treatment programs, or is the current alternative to homeless encampments just having the cops break them up and force them to go somewhere else?
by The Jamesian Republic » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:23 pm
by Umeria » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:26 pm
Prima Scriptura wrote:Umeria wrote:I suspect you're mischaracterizing their views. Is the left actually blocking treatment programs, or is the current alternative to homeless encampments just having the cops break them up and force them to go somewhere else?
The AnComs oppose any efforts of mandatory treatment.
by Tarsonis » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:32 pm
The Jamesian Republic wrote:Why don’t we just let people file for asylum and visas in their home country? I think Kannap mentioned it.
by Greater Miami Shores 3 » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:33 pm
Prima Scriptura wrote:Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Translated to English: Trump and his supporters want to deport Latinos who were born here if their parents were illegal at the time of birth.
Trump y sus partidarios como yo, tenemos la razón - Trump and his supporters like me are right. I would only give them a path to citizenship in exchange for ending birth right citizenship for future sons of illegals born in the USA, which many of us think the 14th amendment to the US constitution has been misinterpreted for many years, and we hope the current conservative Republican majority on the US Supreme Court will reinterpret it correctly.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. The key words are all persons born or naturalized in the USA, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, so you have to be born and subject to the jurisdiction of the USA, or you have to be naturalized like I was in the USA to be a US citizen. Persons born in other nations are subject to the jurisdiction of their nations of legal birth and origin, not illegals in those nations and neither in the USA. This is why we and all nations have illegal immigration rules and regulations, even Mexico deports illegal persons.
Esto significará que la mayoría de los latinos serían deportados.
by Prima Scriptura » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:35 pm
Umeria wrote:Prima Scriptura wrote:The AnComs oppose any efforts of mandatory treatment.
Do they? Or is their opposition to the specific mandatory treatment programs on the table?
I'd certainly disagree with these AnComs if they're stopping actual rehabilitation programs because "drugs good" or whatever. But not if the program in question is just throwing them in jail or something similar.
by El Lazaro » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:37 pm
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Mexico deports illegal persons.
by Cannot think of a name » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:37 pm
The Jamesian Republic wrote:Why don’t we just let people file for asylum and visas in their home country? I think Kannap mentioned it.
by Reverend Norv » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:39 pm
The Jamesian Republic wrote:Why don’t we just let people file for asylum and visas in their home country? I think Kannap mentioned it.
For really, I think that the poorest he that is in England hath a life to live as the greatest he. And therefore truly, Sir, I think it's clear that every man that is to live under a Government ought first by his own consent to put himself under that Government. And I do think that the poorest man in England is not at all bound in a strict sense to that Government that he hath not had a voice to put himself under.
Col. Thomas Rainsborough, Putney Debates, 1647
A God who let us prove His existence would be an idol.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer
by The Jamesian Republic » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:41 pm
Reverend Norv wrote:The Jamesian Republic wrote:Why don’t we just let people file for asylum and visas in their home country? I think Kannap mentioned it.
First of all, you can apply for a visa from your home country, and indeed you are required to do so in order to enter the U.S. legally.
Asylum, however, is different. The legal standard to claim asylum is that you must have a well-founded fear of persecution in your home country.
Now: if you are in your home country, actively being persecuted, in danger of torture or death - would you really hang around for six months waiting for the U.S. embassy to process your application? Or would you flee, get to the U.S. any way you could, and then ask for asylum once you managed to arrive?
Asylum is a category for people who couldn't stay in their home countries - who did not have that option - who had no choice but to flee while they still could. That's why we don't allow people to apply for asylum from their home countries: at least in principle, if it's safe enough for them to stay in their own countries while they apply, then they have no business claiming asylum in this one.
I don't necessarily agree with this logic, but this is the traditional understanding of asylum, and it's important to understand it before we critique it.
by The Jamesian Republic » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:44 pm
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
You have to post in English or Post in Spanish and English, so you wont get in trouble, translated to English: This will mean that most Latinos would be deported. Under our deal with the Democrats those DACA Millions would be given a path to citizenship, and future illegals born in the USA and other nations would be subject to deportation, and under the deal it would mean we will not tolerate illegal immigration only legal immigration, if we don't tolerate illegal immigration their will be no illegal immigration. It is this easy to do and understand and it really is this easy to do and understand.
On top of worsening crime and inflation, newly released Customs and Border Protection data shows that more than 2 million illegal immigrants have been caught crossing our border over the last year. That number is historic. And it’s just a fraction of the more than 4.4 million illegal immigrants who have crossed the border since Biden came into office, including over 850,000 “gotaways” who have escaped undetected into our country. That alone should seal Democrats’ fate in November: earlier this month, Kamala Harris said the border was “secure,” confirming the Biden administration is lying to the American people.At the same time the hypocrisy of Democrats and the liberal media is on full display for voters to see. Just last week, when 50 illegal immigrants set foot in Martha’s Vineyard, rich liberals didn’t like it when Biden’s open border policies arrived at their front doorstep. It suddenly became a humanitarian crisis.
and Martha's Vineyard, an official leftist Democrat majority sanctuary city, deported them and bused them to a US Naval Base, claiming they can't house 50 illegal persons, Obama at Obama's Mansion alone can house them, feed them and provide for all their expenses $ free of Charge, they all proved their leftist political hypocrisy on illegal immigration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wNFoZuDeiY
But what about the more than 53 migrants who died after being smuggled in the back of a trailer a few months ago? Back then the media tried to quickly flip the page, just like the Biden administration and Democrats are trying to do now to downplay their border crisis before the midterms. Democrats fear what Americans know: our country deserves better.
https://townhall.com/columnists/ronnamc ... r-n2613797
by Greater Miami Shores 3 » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:46 pm
by Umeria » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:54 pm
Prima Scriptura wrote:Umeria wrote:Do they? Or is their opposition to the specific mandatory treatment programs on the table?
I'd certainly disagree with these AnComs if they're stopping actual rehabilitation programs because "drugs good" or whatever. But not if the program in question is just throwing them in jail or something similar.
They don’t support mandatory treatment. They believe that if people want to live on the streets, defecate and use needles less than a 100 yards away from a Elementary school, they should be allowed to do so.
by Haganham » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:57 pm
Reverend Norv wrote:The Jamesian Republic wrote:Why don’t we just let people file for asylum and visas in their home country? I think Kannap mentioned it.
First of all, you can apply for a visa from your home country, and indeed you are required to do so in order to enter the U.S. legally.
Asylum, however, is different. The legal standard to claim asylum is that you must have a well-founded fear of persecution in your home country.
Now: if you are in your home country, actively being persecuted, in danger of torture or death - would you really hang around for six months waiting for the U.S. embassy to process your application? Or would you flee, get to the U.S. any way you could, and then ask for asylum once you managed to arrive?
Asylum is a category for people who couldn't stay in their home countries - who did not have that option - who had no choice but to flee while they still could. That's why we don't allow people to apply for asylum from their home countries: at least in principle, if it's safe enough for them to stay in their own countries while they apply, then they have no business claiming asylum in this one.
I don't necessarily agree with this logic, but this is the traditional understanding of asylum, and it's important to understand it before we critique it.
by Greater Miami Shores 3 » Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:05 pm
Reverend Norv wrote:The Jamesian Republic wrote:Why don’t we just let people file for asylum and visas in their home country? I think Kannap mentioned it.
First of all, you can apply for a visa from your home country, and indeed you are required to do so in order to enter the U.S. legally.
Asylum, however, is different. The legal standard to claim asylum is that you must have a well-founded fear of persecution in your home country.
Now: if you are in your home country, actively being persecuted, in danger of torture or death - would you really hang around for six months waiting for the U.S. embassy to process your application? Or would you flee, get to the U.S. any way you could, and then ask for asylum once you managed to arrive?
Asylum is a category for people who couldn't stay in their home countries - who did not have that option - who had no choice but to flee while they still could. That's why we don't allow people to apply for asylum from their home countries: at least in principle, if it's safe enough for them to stay in their own countries while they apply, then they have no business claiming asylum in this one.
I don't necessarily agree with this logic, but this is the traditional understanding of asylum, and it's important to understand it before we critique it.
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