American Politics XIV: The Dawning of the Age of the Pumpkin

[The Black Forrest]

Bull fucking shit you did

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This coming from someone who said if they were mayor or governor and as result of shortages due to a strike said would tell their constituents to send pizza to striking workers.

Tars and I agree on things every so often.

Sorry; you can’t claim support of the unions as you spoke out against the strike.

The deal is bullshit. They should strike and you need to suffer so they can be treated better.

Seriously; the insurance and sickness offerings are bullshit.

[Tarsonis]

Don't deflect with your inane bullshit San. You've been against the Workers this entire time. Don't you fucking dare try to switch sides at the 11th hour and gas light us that you were on the workers side the whole time. Don't you fucking dare.

Yeah how dare someone change their viewpoint when they hear new evidence.

What new evidence?! There's no new evience. What youre seeing is what we've been telling you this the entire time. My God

[The Two Jerseys]

and said person would be chastised and voted out of office for being so tone deaf.

Ironic.

But "Eat shit, peasant!" is totally in line with popular opinion dontchaknow...

[San Lumen]

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This coming from someone who said if they were mayor or governor and as result of shortages due to a strike said would tell their constituents to send pizza to striking workers.

Tars and I agree on things every so often.

Sorry; you can’t claim support of the unions as you spoke out against the strike.

The deal is bullshit. They should strike and you need to suffer so they can be treated better.

Seriously; the insurance and sickness offerings are bullshit.

Enjoy the red tsunami and the end of democracy in America. Congress should give the workers what they want and tell the parliamentarian to shut up if they can’t get 60 votes in the Senate.

[Kannap]

Hell yeah, solidarity with the working class.

and said person would be chastised and voted out of office for being so tone deaf.

According to polling last October, 74% of likely voters approved of labor strikes (87% of Democrats approved of labor strikes and 60% of Republicans approved of labor strikes). I can't imagine that stance has shifted tremendously over the course of the last 12 months, if 80-something percent of Dem voters approve of labor strikes, you'd have to assume it would only hurt Dems to not support the railworkers strike.

Hell, we can see that approval/support of the labor movement has continued strongly 12 months later as just last month, support for labor unions hit the highest it's been in this country in 60 years - 71%. These union supporters know that unions go on strike to get things done, so don't try pulling some sorry "union support isn't strike support" bullshit.

Given the support for strikes and unions in the last year, it would be more suitable to say that a politician who isn't supportive of unions is tone deaf, not the other way around.

[Kannap]

Don't deflect with your inane bullshit San. You've been against the Workers this entire time. Don't you fucking dare try to switch sides at the 11th hour and gas light us that you were on the workers side the whole time. Don't you fucking dare.

Yeah how dare someone change their viewpoint when they hear new evidence.

You were just spewing anti-worker/anti-union/anti-strike nonsense a couple posts ago, you haven't changed your viewpoint.

[Tarsonis]

Tars and I agree on things every so often.

Sorry; you can’t claim support of the unions as you spoke out against the strike.

The deal is bullshit. They should strike and you need to suffer so they can be treated better.

Seriously; the insurance and sickness offerings are bullshit.

Enjoy the red tsunami and the end of democracy in America. Congress should give the workers what they want and tell the parliamentarian to shut up if they can’t get 60 votes in the Senate.

Oh so it wasn't that you were changing your position after new evidence. Right back to spouting the same hysterical bullshit. Why even bother lying San, you weren't gonna fool anyone.

[The Black Forrest]

Tars and I agree on things every so often.

Sorry; you can’t claim support of the unions as you spoke out against the strike.

The deal is bullshit. They should strike and you need to suffer so they can be treated better.

Seriously; the insurance and sickness offerings are bullshit.

Enjoy the red tsunami and the end of democracy in America. Congress should give the workers what they want and tell the parliamentarian to shut up if they can’t get 60 votes in the Senate.

If the rail guys get proper work hours, proper insurance and proper pay….a red tsunami and the end of democracy is worth it.

You see I can give two fucks about the executives compensation and the investors portfolios.

I can can also give two fucks about you being inconvenienced by the strike.

What these people go through is simply wrong.

[El Lazaro]

Don't deflect with your inane bullshit San. You've been against the Workers this entire time. Don't you fucking dare try to switch sides at the 11th hour and gas light us that you were on the workers side the whole time. Don't you fucking dare.

Yeah how dare someone change their viewpoint when they hear new evidence.

New evidence is irrelevant. If workers vote for fair working conditions, they should get fair working conditions.

[Prima Scriptura]

and said person would be chastised and voted out of office for being so tone deaf.

According to polling last October, 74% of likely voters approved of labor strikes (87% of Democrats approved of labor strikes and 60% of Republicans approved of labor strikes). I can't imagine that stance has shifted tremendously over the course of the last 12 months, if 80-something percent of Dem voters approve of labor strikes, you'd have to assume it would only hurt Dems to not support the railworkers strike.

Hell, we can see that approval/support of the labor movement has continued strongly 12 months later as just last month, support for labor unions hit the highest it's been in this country in 60 years - 71%. These union supporters know that unions go on strike to get things done, so don't try pulling some sorry "union support isn't strike support" bullshit.

Given the support for strikes and unions in the last year, it would be more suitable to say that a politician who isn't supportive of unions is tone deaf, not the other way around.

I am encouraged to see such strong support for labor and fair working conditions for essential workers. It’s about damn time

[The Two Jerseys]

Enjoy the red tsunami and the end of democracy in America. Congress should give the workers what they want and tell the parliamentarian to shut up if they can’t get 60 votes in the Senate.

Oh so it wasn't that you were changing your position after new evidence. Right back to spouting the same hysterical bullshit. Why even bother lying San, you weren't gonna fool anyone.

Come on Tars, cut the man some slack, he's going through shock after finding out that Joe Biden really isn't the messiah...

[San Lumen]

Enjoy the red tsunami and the end of democracy in America. Congress should give the workers what they want and tell the parliamentarian to shut up if they can’t get 60 votes in the Senate.

If the rail guys get proper work hours, proper insurance and proper pay….a red tsunami and the end of democracy is worth it.

You see I can give two fucks about the executives compensation and the investors portfolios.

I can can also give two fucks about you being inconvenienced by the strike.

What these people go through is simply wrong.

Your first statement can’t possibly be a serious one.

[The Black Forrest]

Oh so it wasn't that you were changing your position after new evidence. Right back to spouting the same hysterical bullshit. Why even bother lying San, you weren't gonna fool anyone.

Come on Tars, cut the man some slack, he's going through shock after finding out that Joe Biden really isn't the messiah...

Oh don’t introduce a tangent.

[Tarsonis]

If the rail guys get proper work hours, proper insurance and proper pay….a red tsunami and the end of democracy is worth it.

You see I can give two fucks about the executives compensation and the investors portfolios.

I can can also give two fucks about you being inconvenienced by the strike.

What these people go through is simply wrong.

Your first statement can’t possibly be a serious one.

More serious than you apparently. The thing that you just can't seem to grasp is that the unions don't give a fuck about the midterm elections, nor should they. Vartitable slavery is not something they're gonna endure just so the democrats can win an election. If it's such an issue the Rail companies should cave to the Unions very reasonable demands. But you've thrown your lot in with management.

[The Black Forrest]

If the rail guys get proper work hours, proper insurance and proper pay….a red tsunami and the end of democracy is worth it.

You see I can give two fucks about the executives compensation and the investors portfolios.

I can can also give two fucks about you being inconvenienced by the strike.

What these people go through is simply wrong.

Your first statement can’t possibly be a serious one.

Your whole “logic” can’t be taken serious. Your main concern is the fear of disruption to your lifestyle.

That view alone invalidates claims of support for the rail people.

The deal is bullshit and should be rightfully voted down.

Be prepared for delays into buying stuff. I will happily wait….

[Ngelmish]

Tars and I agree on things every so often.

Sorry; you can’t claim support of the unions as you spoke out against the strike.

The deal is bullshit. They should strike and you need to suffer so they can be treated better.

Seriously; the insurance and sickness offerings are bullshit.

Enjoy the red tsunami and the end of democracy in America. Congress should give the workers what they want and tell the parliamentarian to shut up if they can’t get 60 votes in the Senate.

There's a position on red tsunamis and there's a position on the merits of the strike, as in the actual grievances that the workers have. Lay out, in more than two sentences, why the rail workers don't have legitimate grievances without referring to the possible electoral effect... and fewer people would be calling you a hack who only cares about the electoral outcomes in America.

I happen to agree with you that a red tsunami would be disastrous. That does not mean that rail workers don't have legitimate grievances, and it doesn't even mean that it doesn't make sense for them to care more about their bad treatment on a daily level than to abstractly worry about Republicans winning elections you don't think they should win. You're smart enough to know that, Lumen. Don't argue to your most reductive point; all that does is reduce support for any other position you might hold.

[San Lumen]

Your first statement can’t possibly be a serious one.

Your whole “logic” can’t be taken serious. Your main concern is the fear of disruption to your lifestyle.

That view alone invalidates claims of support for the rail people.

The deal is bullshit and should be rightfully voted down.

Be prepared for delays into buying stuff. I will happily wait….

And Republicans will sweep the midterms and democracy will end. One of the things they will do is destroy unions .

[El Lazaro]

Oh so it wasn't that you were changing your position after new evidence. Right back to spouting the same hysterical bullshit. Why even bother lying San, you weren't gonna fool anyone.

Come on Tars, cut the man some slack, he's going through shock after finding out that Joe Biden really isn't the messiah...

That’s what they want you to think. Truth is, Biden is a Vatican sleeper agent and the upcoming midterm victory is simply a part of the larger agenda that’s being set into motion. The death of the Queen, abortion bans, prophesied Russian collapse, Trump prosecution, mass Catholic immigration etc. are all stepping stones on the path to reclaiming the church from separatists. My source: it was revealed to me in dream.

[Tarsonis]

Your whole “logic” can’t be taken serious. Your main concern is the fear of disruption to your lifestyle.

That view alone invalidates claims of support for the rail people.

The deal is bullshit and should be rightfully voted down.

Be prepared for delays into buying stuff. I will happily wait….

And Republicans will sweep the midterms and democracy will end. One of the things they will do is destroy unions .

Nobody cares, certainly not the unions. Get that through your skull

[The Black Forrest]

Your whole “logic” can’t be taken serious. Your main concern is the fear of disruption to your lifestyle.

That view alone invalidates claims of support for the rail people.

The deal is bullshit and should be rightfully voted down.

Be prepared for delays into buying stuff. I will happily wait….

And Republicans will sweep the midterms and democracy will end. One of the things they will do is destroy unions .

If it gives the rail people insurance, proper work schedules and proper pay…..It’s worth it.

Keep your republican fear mongering to yourself.

[Kannap]

Your whole “logic” can’t be taken serious. Your main concern is the fear of disruption to your lifestyle.

That view alone invalidates claims of support for the rail people.

The deal is bullshit and should be rightfully voted down.

Be prepared for delays into buying stuff. I will happily wait….

And Republicans will sweep the midterms and democracy will end. One of the things they will do is destroy unions .

I provided two sources that show that a majority of voters support labor strikes and a majority of Americans support unions, all you've offered is this "because I said so" hysterical nonsense about a red wave if a strike happens - when the data indicates people are supportive of strikes and unions. Unless the Dems throw the election by attacking the rail workers, why would people vote against them because of the strike?

[Ngelmish]

Your whole “logic” can’t be taken serious. Your main concern is the fear of disruption to your lifestyle.

That view alone invalidates claims of support for the rail people.

The deal is bullshit and should be rightfully voted down.

Be prepared for delays into buying stuff. I will happily wait….

And Republicans will sweep the midterms and democracy will end. One of the things they will do is destroy unions .

Unions would be more likely to vote the way you approve of if you didn't insist they accept literally any terms because voting against Republicans is more important than their day to day lives. This isn't hard, Lumen. You're being unreasonable because, as you're so fond of telling people to the left of you: compromise is hard. Sometimes compromise means giving rail workers more than you want to guarantee in the moment, because you want their fucking votes to avert a red tsunami.

Or didn't you know that in politics it's not as easy as waving a wand and getting exactly what you want? Or does that only pertain when you make excuses for Joe Manchin?

[Ifreann]

We're learning a bit more about the tentative agreement between the rail workers and the rail companies:

The rumor that rail employees won't be penalized for calling out sick? Not entirely true, it seems. Workers get one additional paid day off and three unpaid sick days for medical care visits but those three days have to be scheduled at least 30 days in advance and can only take place on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, or Thursdays. It's unclear whether employees will be penalized if they take a sick day on any other day of the week or without 30 days notice.

I don't know about other folks, but my body doesn't give me a 30-day notice for when I'm going to be sick, it's usually more of a "oh shit, woke up feeling like shit, better call out and go see a doctor today" type of deal.

Also, Per labor reporter Jonah Furman, we could see the IAM District 19 union go on strike as early as one week from today if they do not get offered another tentative agreement (they were still voting on the first PEB recommendations when the second tentative agreement was offered to the rest of the unions, so they're currently without a tentative agreement but in the negotiating stage).

I swear, the labour situation in the US is just mind boggling sometimes. Needing to fight just to be allowed the dubious benefit of being allowed to schedule sick days a month in advance? Incomprehensible.

[The Black Forrest]

And Republicans will sweep the midterms and democracy will end. One of the things they will do is destroy unions .

Nobody cares, certainly not the unions. Get that through your skull

Would it blow his mind if he found out I wasn’t a union supporter?

My personal experiences with them have not been that great. Found they caused more problems then they fixed.

Anyway; I can look past my views and still see when people are being mistreated; especially when those in charge are making a great deal of money……

[San Lumen]

And Republicans will sweep the midterms and democracy will end. One of the things they will do is destroy unions .

If it gives the rail people insurance, proper work schedules and proper pay…..It’s worth it.

Keep your republican fear mongering to yourself.

That’s not a trade off I’m willing to make.