Open Borders Hypothetical

[Kazak Yeli]

I am the offspring of immigrants, and i would not take the deal.

[The Blaatschapen]

Oh, I am an immigrant, I would love to not have to worry about my cost of living for the next two decades.

[Infected Mushroom]

Oh, I am an immigrant, I would love to not have to worry about my cost of living for the next two decades.

for housing only though (unless I made a mistake and the phrase "housing" typically includes meals and other expendables as well)

[Ethel mermania]

Oh, I am an immigrant, I would love to not have to worry about my cost of living for the next two decades.

for housing only though (unless I made a mistake and the phrase "housing" typically includes meals and other expendables as well)

That would be room and board. Housing only implies the physical shelter

[Infected Mushroom]

for housing only though (unless I made a mistake and the phrase "housing" typically includes meals and other expendables as well)

That would be room and board. Housing only implies the physical shelter

Ah yeah. That was my impression too. But still, housing is a huge part of living costs (though not everything).

[Ethel mermania]

That would be room and board. Housing only implies the physical shelter

Ah yeah. That was my impression too. But still, housing is a huge part of living costs (though not everything).

Your punishment for supporting open borders is not cheap, agreed.

[The Blaatschapen]

Oh, I am an immigrant, I would love to not have to worry about my cost of living for the next two decades.

for housing only though (unless I made a mistake and the phrase "housing" typically includes meals and other expendables as well)

that's still like half of my cost of living expenses.

[Theodores Tomfooleries]

So there's no benefit to the hypothetical or deal? It's just "let immigrants who cannot communicate with you properly live in your house".
Hard no.

[BEEstreetz]

So there's no benefit to the hypothetical or deal? It's just "let immigrants who cannot communicate with you properly live in your house".
Hard no.

Most immigrants are from your neighboring States, so the languages would be at least discernable enough.

[Infected Mushroom]

So there's no benefit to the hypothetical or deal? It's just "let immigrants who cannot communicate with you properly live in your house".
Hard no.

The benefit is that immigration laws would be changed, if it’s what you think should happen

[BEEstreetz]

Don't stop with the hypotheticals because of this flame pls. I'd love to see more cosmology-universality ideas like the Endless one, most of us do.

[Chan Island]

So what happens if we don't take the deal? Does anything happen? Or does nothing happen but I get to make some super natural entity chuckle or something?

[Infected Mushroom]

So what happens if we don't take the deal? Does anything happen? Or does nothing happen but I get to make some super natural entity chuckle or something?

In its current iteration, if you don’t take the deal, nothing happens. Although I am considering changing it due to the feedback.

Still not a fan of turning posters into illegal immigrants because no one on the border control camp ever says or thinks “yeah the world needs more illegal immigration.”

[Infected Mushroom]

Don't stop with the hypotheticals because of this flame pls. I'd love to see more cosmology-universality ideas like the Endless one, most of us do.

There will be more.

[Chan Island]

So what happens if we don't take the deal? Does anything happen? Or does nothing happen but I get to make some super natural entity chuckle or something?

In its current iteration, if you don’t take the deal, nothing happens. Although I am considering changing it due to the feedback.

Still not a fan of turning posters into illegal immigrants because no one on the border control camp ever says or thinks “yeah the world needs more illegal immigration.”

OK. Then I reject the deal because my country already has pretty relaxed borders so the additional gain of *even* more open borders is too small for the additional personal responsibilities.

Also, I'm pretty sure many open borders supporters don't support more illegal immigration- they just support making it easier to immigrate legally, and usually suggest treating illegals humanely.

[Infected Mushroom]

In its current iteration, if you don’t take the deal, nothing happens. Although I am considering changing it due to the feedback.

Still not a fan of turning posters into illegal immigrants because no one on the border control camp ever says or thinks “yeah the world needs more illegal immigration.”

OK. Then I reject the deal because my country already has pretty relaxed borders so the additional gain of *even* more open borders is too small for the additional personal responsibilities.

Also, I'm pretty sure many open borders supporters don't support more illegal immigration- they just support making it easier to immigrate legally, and usually suggest treating illegals humanely.

Fair enough.

[Thermodolia]

Since this Leviathan of a State already exists, it should be able to take care of them and integrate them much more efficiently with a broad plan involving proportionally taxed money.
Why should the country take in immigrants? Because that's how it grows. Why should the country take in refugees? They're fairly cheap to maintain in facilities and it makes the whole country look good.
Why shouldn't I personally house either of them? Because of integration. I don't have the time nor the expertise to integrate people properly. The Leviathan-State may even solve the linguist unemployment problems with such a plan.
My vote was for pro-immigration, not pro-no-borders. This is an important distinction. If the State finds itself struggling with integration, it can set quotas, much like the U.S. did in early 20th century.

But if you won’t personally make a reasonable sacrifice, why do you expect everyone to?

Because one it’s not reasonable and two how is anyone making a sacrifice on refugees or immigrants? The government isn’t forcing immigrants or refugees to live with people.

[Mountains and Volcanoes]

Apparently: the US, Iran, Argentina, and Eritrea are hard to impossible to relinquish one’s residency from!

[The Blaatschapen]

Don't stop with the hypotheticals because of this flame pls. I'd love to see more cosmology-universality ideas like the Endless one, most of us do.

If you think that was a flame, then why don't you report it?

[Ainland]

It's a good scenario. If you support open borders then presumably you support an open door on your house, too.

My answer is no.

[El Lazaro]

Is this supposed to be an own? Immigrants have to work hard and pay taxes, it’s not like they just squat houses and do nothing all day. More immigrants wouldn’t mean worse living standards for the average person, and certainly doesn’t have anything to do with who you’d personally let in your home.

[Chan Island]

It's a good scenario. If you support open borders then presumably you support an open door on your house, too.

My answer is no.

No, that's just not how it works. National interest operates in fundamentally different ways to individual people or even companies- governments can go billions in debt, buy cheap crap from domestic manufacturers at inflated prices and even threaten people.... and have all of that be the correct decision. The question of open borders is in that realm too.

Besides, what if your country already has an open border? Why take on the additional challenge of an immigrant family in your house just to support the status quo? Or for no reason in other words.

It's not a good one- in fact it's strikingly lazy, which is unusual for IM tbh.

[Vikanias]

No, I’m not living the next 20 years with people I don’t know and I can’t talk with them, and I’m against open immigration anyways.

[Infected Mushroom]

No, I’m not living the next 20 years with people I don’t know and I can’t talk with them, and I’m against open immigration anyways.

Fair enough.

[The Second Hungarian Republic]

This hypothetical is illogical & opens way too many other factors than the original point in the first place. I assume the question you are trying to ask is "Is it hypocritical to demand something of others of which you cannot adhere to yourself?" This, in most cases, is true, but here, I would not take the immigrant, because I do not have the capability to do so, and because I do not know these people.