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Who does the Falklands belong to?

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Postby Mehayn » Sat May 22, 2010 2:59 pm

Who do you think the Falklands belong to?I belive Argentina is the rightful owner.
What are the reasons for England to be there?

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat May 22, 2010 3:03 pm

1. The local inhabitants have been willingly British for several generations.

2. Not that might equals right, but....the Argies lost the war.

It amuses me how Cristina Kirchner and Hugo Chaves accuse Britian of colonialism while Argentina is also claiming the Falklands on nationalistic grounds.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat May 22, 2010 3:05 pm

Mehayn wrote:Who do you think the Falklands belong to?I belive Argentina is the rightful owner.
What are the reasons for England to be there?

What do those living there think? Do they feel British or South American? Because frankly, they are the ones whose opinion matters the most.
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Postby Islamic Hazarastan » Sat May 22, 2010 3:06 pm

Argentina did lose the war, and as far as I know, they started it. There was no Falklands revolution. So... by this reasoning, it should be British.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat May 22, 2010 3:06 pm

SD_Film Artists wrote:1. The local inhabitants have been willingly British for several generations.

2. Not that might equals right, but....the Argies lost the war.

Same thing with those inhabiting Gibraltar. A piece of Spain, true, but do those living there feel Spanish or more British? Inquiring minds would like to know.
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Postby Caninope » Sat May 22, 2010 3:08 pm

Mehayn wrote:Who do you think the Falklands belong to?I belive Argentina is the rightful owner.
What are the reasons for England to be there?


The Islanders like the Brits.
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Postby Chesnya » Sat May 22, 2010 3:08 pm

I don't think there is any rightful owner. Argentina only wants a economic land grab. People want to be British, so - so be it.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat May 22, 2010 3:08 pm

SD_Film Artists wrote:1. The local inhabitants have been willingly British for several generations.

2. Not that might equals right, but....the Argies lost the war.

It amuses me how Cristina Kirchner and Hugo Chaves accuse Britian of colonialism while Argentina is also claiming the Falklands on nationalistic grounds.

Cristi a Kircher is a horrible head of state. Hugo Chavez... Let us not even go there. With them the saying 'pot meet kettle' fits like a charm.
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Postby North Suran » Sat May 22, 2010 3:09 pm

The residents of the Falkland Islands (there is no such thing as the "Falklands Islands") want to remain part of the UK.

Really, that's all that matters. Irredentism does not overrule democracy.
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Postby Lacadaemon » Sat May 22, 2010 3:09 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:1. The local inhabitants have been willingly British for several generations.

2. Not that might equals right, but....the Argies lost the war.

Same thing with those inhabiting Gibraltar. A piece of Spain, true, but do those living there feel Spanish or more British? Inquiring minds would like to know.


Well they want to be British (for whatever reason). So that's that.

And frankly a super bankrupt economy (I told you about that) shouldn't be dictating to a merely bankrupt economy.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat May 22, 2010 3:09 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:1. The local inhabitants have been willingly British for several generations.

2. Not that might equals right, but....the Argies lost the war.

Same thing with those inhabiting Gibraltar. A piece of Spain, true, but do those living there feel Spanish or more British? Inquiring minds would like to know.


Because nationality is a heightened issue in Gibraltar (big Spanish neighbour up north I presume), the locals there seem to be even more British than Britain.

Edit: and factoid of the day- Gibraltar is one of the few places in modern Europe that has a border fence.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat May 22, 2010 3:11 pm

Lacadaemon wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:1. The local inhabitants have been willingly British for several generations.

2. Not that might equals right, but....the Argies lost the war.

Same thing with those inhabiting Gibraltar. A piece of Spain, true, but do those living there feel Spanish or more British? Inquiring minds would like to know.


Well they want to be British (for whatever reason). So that's that.

And frankly a super bankrupt economy (I told you about that) shouldn't be dictating to a merely bankrupt economy.

My point exactly, Lac. If the inhabitants of the Falklands want to remain British, Argentina has no reason to meddle there.
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Postby Raludcia » Sat May 22, 2010 3:13 pm

Mehayn wrote:Who do you think the Falklands belong to?I belive Argentina is the rightful owner.
What are the reasons for England to be there?


And why do you think Argentina deserves them?

Sure they are geographically closer, but culturally far apart.

The falklanders speak english and want to remain British. And as long as they do so they have every right to be.
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Postby BrightonBurg » Sat May 22, 2010 3:13 pm

The people of the Falklands want to stay under British rule, it's up to the people there who they want to be ruled by.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat May 22, 2010 3:14 pm

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:1. The local inhabitants have been willingly British for several generations.

2. Not that might equals right, but....the Argies lost the war.

Same thing with those inhabiting Gibraltar. A piece of Spain, true, but do those living there feel Spanish or more British? Inquiring minds would like to know.


Because nationality is a heightened issue in Gibraltar (big Spanish neighbour up north I presume), the locals there seem to be even more British than Britain.

I'm well aware of this, I'm from Spain. This reverts to what I answered in my post to Lacdaemon. They feel British, so let the issue rest. It's absurd to want to start something when there's no reason to. ;)
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Postby Islamic Hazarastan » Sat May 22, 2010 3:14 pm

Raludcia wrote:
Mehayn wrote:Who do you think the Falklands belong to?I belive Argentina is the rightful owner.
What are the reasons for England to be there?


And why do you think Argentina deserves them?

Sure they are geographically closer, but culturally far apart.

The falklanders speak english and want to remain British. And as long as they do so they have every right to be.

Yes... also, it would be better for Argentina. They wouldn't want a Falklands revolutionary army on their hands, would they?
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Postby Scario » Sat May 22, 2010 3:15 pm

Well, Argentina would probably just "claim" more land in Antarctica as "old colonial territory" as a excuse to get more attention as a weak country would do. ( I DO NOT MEAN HAITI!!!! A weak country is not one hit by a earth quake but prior to it,Haiti is in need of help ) It is one of the things it used to surrender the Falklands to my real country's great Allie, the United Kingdom. So Argentina........you are going to be ignored by all super powers on the planet if another war breaks out as you put your dirtied-up hands on the Falklands as always just to get your ass wounded by the U.K. Also if another does happen ........we will all find it annoying to hear you bark as a excuse to pull out of the Falklands that YOU claimed more of Antarctica as yours by right. Stop filling the world with odds and ab normals.
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Postby Lacadaemon » Sat May 22, 2010 3:15 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:My point exactly, Lac. If the inhabitants of the Falklands want to remain British, Argentina has no reason to meddle there.


Ah, then we were talking across each other. Mi dispiace and stuff.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Sat May 22, 2010 3:15 pm

Mehayn wrote:Who do you think the Falklands belong to?I belive Argentina is the rightful owner.
What are the reasons for England to be there?


I think that's really up to the people of the Falkland Islands to decide.
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Postby North Suran » Sat May 22, 2010 3:16 pm

Islamic Hazarastan wrote:Yes... also, it would be better for Argentina. They wouldn't want a Falklands revolutionary army on their hands, would they?

Sheep suicide bombers?
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Postby Islamic Hazarastan » Sat May 22, 2010 3:17 pm

North Suran wrote:
Islamic Hazarastan wrote:Yes... also, it would be better for Argentina. They wouldn't want a Falklands revolutionary army on their hands, would they?

Sheep suicide bombers?

A terrifying thought, to be sure.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat May 22, 2010 3:17 pm

Lacadaemon wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:My point exactly, Lac. If the inhabitants of the Falklands want to remain British, Argentina has no reason to meddle there.


Ah, then we were talking across each other. Mi dispiace and stuff.

No worries. I was merely trying to engage the OP in an exchange. Why he thinks the Falklands should revert to Argentinian rule if those living there feel they are ok under British rule.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat May 22, 2010 3:19 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:1. The local inhabitants have been willingly British for several generations.

2. Not that might equals right, but....the Argies lost the war.

Same thing with those inhabiting Gibraltar. A piece of Spain, true, but do those living there feel Spanish or more British? Inquiring minds would like to know.


Because nationality is a heightened issue in Gibraltar (big Spanish neighbour up north I presume), the locals there seem to be even more British than Britain.

I'm well aware of this, I'm from Spain. This reverts to what I answered in my post to Lacdaemon. They feel British, so let the issue rest. It's absurd to want to start something when there's no reason to. ;)


Oooh I thought you were from Brazil for some reason. And I agree. :)
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Postby Angleter » Sat May 22, 2010 3:20 pm

They are British. The people there speak English, they overwhelmingly support British rule, and Argentina's attempt to invade them in 1982 failed. Argentina's claim to the Falklands is based on geographic locality (like Guam), and a couple of short-lived Argentine colonies there that were ended once and for all in 1832 when the USS Lexington, in return for the colonists raiding an American ship, destroyed the colony and declared the Falklands res nullis. Then the UK took over and have been legitimate rulers ever since.
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Postby Person012345 » Sat May 22, 2010 3:21 pm

The people of the falklands want to be British. Ultimately it is their wishes that should be respected.

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