How could we fix incelibacy? Can we?

[Laka Strolistandiler]

No I am not suggesting eugenics I’m saying that some people make bad parents and shouldn’t have children for their own and their child’s sake

The typical expectation is that people in developed countries go to university or training, learn something valuable, land a good job, etc. But if it was so easy, more people would do it. They don't because it is hard or difficult in practice. Setting yourself up for economic success is diametrically at odds with people's biology, so far as when it is most ideal to reproduce or start families. It often takes too long or involves a lot of debt.

By the time you finish medical school or whatever else (if you can even afford it), you're too old. Many people realize that they'll never become as financially successful as they want so it often isn't viable to delay having kids indefinitely. Because the "right time" where everything lines up in terms of opportunity costs, never comes. Women are working against more of a hard biological clock than men do.

Most cases of people having children is effectively by circumstance or accident. Many who could have children purely out of choice just don't, because it simply costs too much in today's economy and increasingly is troublesome or a hassle than in generations' past.

I couldn’t care less for their inability to have both material and biological ability to provide for and care for a child respectively. If you can’t care for them don’t have children- that’s all I’m saying.

And fuck biological and societal urges to have kids and family- both are usually worthless wastes of money

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

I would contend that legal prostitution being available would at least help some people out there. Not fix their problems of course, but be a popular vice/outlet that'd take the mystery or overwhelming demand out of sex but could arguably contribute to the economy and taxes more than legal marijuana.

I fully agree.

I’m about to blow your mind and explain the biggest reason you’re an incel. You don’t treat women like they’re people. Those of us that do have no problem actually getting them to interact with us.

I treat women as people; people I don't like to be around. The only issue with this is that I am sexually attracted to them.

if you treat women only as objects of sexual gratification, you can't expect them to want to be with you. if you aren't willing to change your ways, you're going to stay angsty about this forever.

[The Alma Mater]

I treat women as people; people I don't like to be around. The only issue with this is that I am sexually attracted to them.

And do you acknowledge that said women have no obligation whatsoever to help you with that problem, considering they are people ?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I’m about to blow your mind and explain the biggest reason you’re an incel. You don’t treat women like they’re people. Those of us that do have no problem actually getting them to interact with us.

I treat women as people; people I don't like to be around. The only issue with this is that I am sexually attracted to them.

Then you should just accept that your incel status cannot be fixed and that’s on you more than anyone else. Ditch all the cringey MRA and incel shit and actually just try to be around people of the other sex and you might actually be able to get laid.

[Side 3]

There is no fixing incels, because incels don't want to be fixed. They don't want to actually change and improve upon themselves; they just want everyone else to change to fit their desires while they stay exactly the same.

[Diamentium]

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[Laka Strolistandiler]

I treat women as people; people I don't like to be around. The only issue with this is that I am sexually attracted to them.

Then you should just accept that your incel status cannot be fixed and that’s on you more than anyone else. Ditch all the cringey MRA and incel shit and actually just try to be around people of the other sex and you might actually be able to get laid.

But the are women responsible for bringing us into this world which we don’t belong in, world which is screaming that everything is female and one were not needed it.

[Forever Indomitable]

There is no fixing incels, because incels don't want to be fixed. They don't want to actually change and improve upon themselves; they just want everyone else to change to fit their desires while they stay exactly the same.

End thread/

[Washington Resistance Army]

Then you should just accept that your incel status cannot be fixed and that’s on you more than anyone else. Ditch all the cringey MRA and incel shit and actually just try to be around people of the other sex and you might actually be able to get laid.

But the are women responsible for bringing us into this world which we don’t belong in, world which is screaming that everything is female and one were not needed it.

I have genuinely no idea what this means.

[Neutraligon]

Yeah being seen as a sex toy tends to do that. Doesn't help that most of the terms used by those communities are intended to degrade and dehumanize.

What do you want me to do? I dislike their culture, their ideology, their voices and even their bodies when I'm not aroused. I only "need" them for sexual intercourse so as a straight man of course I only reffer to them when talking about it. Why would I engage myself with a group that I don't enjoy? It's like being your everyday leftist and hanging up with neonazis, you are only going to be angered and left with negative emotions, so it's better not to be around them.

What culture? I was not aware that a woman in nyc, rural Kansas, the Netherlands, china, Iraq, etc had the same culture.what ideology. Do men all have the same ideology? If you need the for sex … find a prostitute. This attitude is exactly what I am talking about. There is no reason for a woman to want to spend any time with you, let alone leave herself vulnerable to you as she does during sex.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

There is no fixing incels, because incels don't want to be fixed. They don't want to actually change and improve upon themselves; they just want everyone else to change to fit their desires while they stay exactly the same.

Guess what- self improvement can and more often than not fails. There are things people can’t fix about themselves by reading self-help books and watching Matsuoka Shuzo

[Excidium Planetis]

Have you seen a self-declared incel in real life? You likely did, a lot of times, but they didn't tell you.

They didn't have to tell me they were an incel, if they were an incel, I guarantee they treated women like shit.

[Saiwania]

I couldn’t care less for their inability to have both material and biological ability to provide for and care for a child respectively. If you can’t care for them don’t have children- that’s all I’m saying.

And fuck biological and societal urges to have kids and family- both are usually worthless wastes of money

And what then if your circumstances happen to change, such as if you had a great paying job but lost it forever, or your partner abandoned you but you're stuck with a kid that is a burden to care for now but wasn't in happier/more prosperous times?

The issue is that most people don't truly want to have kids anymore but some portion of people out there have to, if the human society/species is to continue.

[Sordhau]

Oh look. Misogyny.

Eh, as someone who can partially relate to incels I can say that their movement can be characterized as not precisely misogynistic but rather a movement angry at the world by large.

It doesn't matter who they're angry at; they're taking their anger out on women. Physical, mental, verbal, and sexual abuse directed toward women just for being women. Just for not being interested in them.

There are very real problems with how modern society views and treats sexual and romantic relationships and the role gender play in them but Incels don't want to solve those problems. They want women to go back to being the silent playthings of a patriarchal society so they can't be told "no" anymore. It's a selfish and misogynistic outlook, no less toxic than the environments that breed inceldom in the first place.

[Whitemore]

I couldn’t care less for their inability to have both material and biological ability to provide for and care for a child respectively. If you can’t care for them don’t have children- that’s all I’m saying.

And fuck biological and societal urges to have kids and family- both are usually worthless wastes of money

And what then if your circumstances happen to change, such as if you had a great paying job but lost it forever, or your partner abandoned you but you're stuck with a kid that is a burden to care for now but wasn't in happier/more prosperous times?

The issue is that most people don't truly want to have kids anymore but some portion of people out there have to, if the human society/species is to continue.

Oh please, there are always going to be people who want children more than people who don't want children. This is a largely a Western based "problem", millions of kids are born every week in developing countries.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

There is no fixing incels, because incels don't want to be fixed. They don't want to actually change and improve upon themselves; they just want everyone else to change to fit their desires while they stay exactly the same.

best post in this thread. these people refuse to acknowledge that the problem is with them, so they'll never solve it. the dangerous part is that they blame their discontent on everyone else, and eventually someone is radicalized enough to do something criminal as a response.

[The Alma Mater]

Oh look. Misogyny.

Eh, as someone who can partially relate to incels I can say that their movement can be characterized as not precisely misogynistic but rather a movement angry at the world by large.

Yes, just like the nazis were angry at the world and took that out on the Jews.

And yes, that comparison holds.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

But the are women responsible for bringing us into this world which we don’t belong in, world which is screaming that everything is female and one were not needed it.

I have genuinely no idea what this means.

My personal reason for partially being an incel (I don’t blame women for not being interested in me I blame my parents and myself) is that because I exist and it’s usually women who decide to have children after all. So it’s basically a wild mix of self-loathing to extreme yay

[Forever Indomitable]

There is no fixing incels, because incels don't want to be fixed. They don't want to actually change and improve upon themselves; they just want everyone else to change to fit their desires while they stay exactly the same.

Guess what- self improvement can and more often than not fails. There are things people can’t fix about themselves by reading self-help books and watching Matsuoka Shuzo

And what things are those?

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Guess what- self improvement can and more often than not fails. There are things people can’t fix about themselves by reading self-help books and watching Matsuoka Shuzo

And what things are those?

Race, facial profile, hair type, incurable psychiatric illnesses

[Saiwania]

Oh please, there are always going to be people who want children more than people who don't want children. This is a largely a Western based "problem", millions of kids are born every week in developing countries.

I would contend that it is no mere coincidence that the poorest people tend to be those who reproduce the most. The poorer a country is, the more kids they have all else being equal. Given the means/resources, people would choose not to have kids because again- just costs too much, especially as a country becomes richer. The richer you are, the less likely you'll have kids even if you can easily afford the expense.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

Oh please, there are always going to be people who want children more than people who don't want children. This is a largely a Western based "problem", millions of kids are born every week in developing countries.

I would contend that it is no mere coincidence that the poorest people tend to be those who reproduce the most. The poorer a country is, the more kids they have all else being equal. Given the means/resources, people would choose not to have kids because again- just costs too much, especially as a country becomes richer. The richer you are, the less likely you'll have kids even if you can easily afford the expense.

iirc historically, the reason people in less developed areas had more children is to work on the farm.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

I couldn’t care less for their inability to have both material and biological ability to provide for and care for a child respectively. If you can’t care for them don’t have children- that’s all I’m saying.

And fuck biological and societal urges to have kids and family- both are usually worthless wastes of money

And what then if your circumstances happen to change, such as if you had a great paying job but lost it forever, or your partner abandoned you but you're stuck with a kid that is a burden to care for now but wasn't in happier/more prosperous times?

The issue is that most people don't truly want to have kids anymore but some portion of people out there have to, if the human society/species is to continue.

Boy I’d be happy if human society would start to discourage having kids and only those able to provide for them and absolutely willing to do it. Reduction in population numbers will be good for society and economics- and I don’t care if by large our species dies out.

Sentience is a curse but a blessing after all

[Forever Indomitable]

And what things are those?

Race, facial profile, hair type, incurable psychiatric illnesses

Of the things you listed, incurable psychiatric illness is the most legitimate obstacle. What are your illnesses?

[The Alma Mater]

I couldn’t care less for their inability to have both material and biological ability to provide for and care for a child respectively. If you can’t care for them don’t have children- that’s all I’m saying.

And fuck biological and societal urges to have kids and family- both are usually worthless wastes of money

And what then if your circumstances happen to change, such as if you had a great paying job but lost it forever, or your partner abandoned you but you're stuck with a kid that is a burden to care for now but wasn't in happier/more prosperous times?

The issue is that most people don't truly want to have kids anymore but some portion of people out there have to, if the human society/species is to continue.

Group marriages ftw. Or take it a step further: let all kids be raised by society in general instead of parents.