How could we fix incelibacy? Can we?

[Forever Indomitable]

It isn't a problem because it can't really be fixed. Some people can't cross bridges, other people just so happen to not be able to navigate romance or even start on such a path to begin with. An incelibate person's problem is that what they want requires 2 people. The best solution usually is to let go of such desires.

Any advise on doing so? I always wondered how my MGTOW comrades managed to just avoid wanting to be loved, even if women more often than not seem to be doing so for self interest.

And here is the proof.

[Incel Argentina]

Well, the red pill is a metaphor for HRT, so jot that down.

That's according to the Matrix directors, we have given it a different meaning.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Literally just not being part of the incel community is a big part of fixing it. There’s few ways to make yourself more unattractive to others than actually buying into the various pills and ideas those sorts put out.

[Excidium Planetis]

Almost nothing discussed in the OP is actually backed by real studies / research, so I'm honestly inclined to dismiss all of it.

[Neutraligon]

Literally just not being part of the incel community is a big part of fixing it. There’s few ways to make yourself more unattractive to others than actually buying into the various pills and ideas those sorts put out.

Indeed, to many women being a part of that community is itself a huge red flag. It tells "us" to avoid said person since they are very possibly dangerous.

[Saiwania]

Any advise on doing so? I always wondered how my MGTOW comrades managed to just avoid wanting to be loved, even if women more often than not seem to be doing so for self interest.

Basically remembering the Jedi code. Mastery over your own emotions and emotions in general, which can be a pathway to the Dark Side.

"There is no passion, there is serenity," and so on.

[Excidium Planetis]

Indeed, to many women being a part of that community is itself a huge red flag. It tells "us" to avoid said person since they are very possibly dangerous.

Not to mention that whenever incels talk about women, it's solely as a means to have sex, and that's a huge turn off for... almost all women.

[Incel Argentina]

Literally just not being part of the incel community is a big part of fixing it. There’s few ways to make yourself more unattractive to others than actually buying into the various pills and ideas those sorts put out.

Indeed, to many women being a part of that community is itself a huge red flag. It tells "us" to avoid said person since they are very possibly dangerous.

I never understood that reasoning. It's not like we go around calling people "Chads" and "Stacies" outside of the internet, we would get beat up if we did so. Literally anyone could be an incel, the only thing that we share seems to be the fact that we can't get onto relationships and are sceptic of women.

[The Alma Mater]

The solution is to start examing the incel hypothesis as science - aka: you try to prove it to be completely and utterly wrong.

So, how could you disprove the whole framework you presented?

[Perikuresu]

Already the incelibacy part already has the sirens calling and red flags flying, but this thread's gonna be interesting, I can sense it through the force.

But yeah, I agree with some people here, OP needs to get help

[Neutraligon]

Indeed, to many women being a part of that community is itself a huge red flag. It tells "us" to avoid said person since they are very possibly dangerous.

Not to mention that whenever incels talk about women, it's solely as a means to have sex, and that's a huge turn off for... almost all women.

Yeah being seen as a sex toy tends to do that. Doesn't help that most of the terms used by those communities are intended to degrade and dehumanize.

[Neutraligon]

Indeed, to many women being a part of that community is itself a huge red flag. It tells "us" to avoid said person since they are very possibly dangerous.

I never understood that reasoning. It's not like we go around calling people "Chads" and "Stacies" outside of the internet, we would get beat up if we did so. Literally anyone could be an incel, the only thing that we share seems to be the fact that we can't get onto relationships and are sceptic of women.

Sceptic of women is a nonsensical phrase. And what happens on the internet informs how you act and treat people in reality. Plus...your comments on the internet are enough of a reason to think you are possibly dangerous and abusive.

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No I am not suggesting eugenics I’m saying that some people make bad parents and shouldn’t have children for their own and their child’s sake

The typical expectation is that people in developed countries go to university or training, learn something valuable, land a good job, etc. But if it was so easy, more people would do it. They don't because it is hard or difficult in practice. Setting yourself up for economic success is diametrically at odds with people's biology, so far as when it is most ideal to reproduce or start families. It often takes too long or involves a lot of debt.

By the time you finish medical school or whatever else (if you can even afford it), you're too old. Many people realize that they'll never become as financially successful as they want so it often isn't viable to delay having kids indefinitely. Because the "right time" where everything lines up in terms of opportunity costs, never comes. Women are working against more of a hard biological clock than men do.

Most cases of people having children is effectively by circumstance or accident. Many who could have children purely out of choice just don't, because it simply costs too much in today's economy and increasingly is troublesome or a hassle than in generations' past.

You know the vast majority of women can easily get pregnant at 30, even in caveman times before science and technology.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

Of the three main pills (blue, red, black) only the last claims that incelibacy is unfixable.

pill? what? isn't the pill thing a matrix reference that was jokingly extended? what the hell does this have to do with teens who are angsty about not having girlfriends?

I am mostly interested in the redpillers' words since the bluepill is generic and most of us know the mainstream """Solutions""" that they propose

most of us? I have literally no clue what the hell you're talking about. you have to remember that most people aren't obsessed with this stuff.

that said, there is no "solution" to people not having girlfriends, save forcing women to marry, which is hopefully not what you want.

you want some advice? stay away from this incel shit. stop treating women like objects for you to collect and start treating them like actual people and their friendship as worth it. don't try to befriend someone so you can get in bed with them, do it because you actually want their friendship.

[Excidium Planetis]

I never understood that reasoning. It's not like we go around calling people "Chads" and "Stacies" outside of the internet, we would get beat up if we did so. Literally anyone could be an incel, the only thing that we share seems to be the fact that we can't get onto relationships and are sceptic of women.

I have seen no evidence that incels act significantly differently in real life than they do online.

Your attitude influences your actions. When your attitude is that women hate you and that they exist solely for your sexual gratification, that influences how you treat them in real life.

[Incel Argentina]

Not to mention that whenever incels talk about women, it's solely as a means to have sex, and that's a huge turn off for... almost all women.

Yeah being seen as a sex toy tends to do that. Doesn't help that most of the terms used by those communities are intended to degrade and dehumanize.

What do you want me to do? I dislike their culture, their ideology, their voices and even their bodies when I'm not aroused. I only "need" them for sexual intercourse so as a straight man of course I only reffer to them when talking about it. Why would I engage myself with a group that I don't enjoy? It's like being your everyday leftist and hanging up with neonazis, you are only going to be angered and left with negative emotions, so it's better not to be around them.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

are sceptic of women.

what does that even mean?

[Incel Argentina]

I never understood that reasoning. It's not like we go around calling people "Chads" and "Stacies" outside of the internet, we would get beat up if we did so. Literally anyone could be an incel, the only thing that we share seems to be the fact that we can't get onto relationships and are sceptic of women.

I have seen no evidence that incels act significantly differently in real life than they do online.

Your attitude influences your actions. When your attitude is that women hate you and that they exist solely for your sexual gratification, that influences how you treat them in real life.

Have you seen a self-declared incel in real life? You likely did, a lot of times, but they didn't tell you.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

Yeah being seen as a sex toy tends to do that. Doesn't help that most of the terms used by those communities are intended to degrade and dehumanize.

What do you want me to do? I dislike their culture, their ideology, their voices and even their bodies when I'm not aroused. I only "need" them for sexual intercourse so as a straight man of course I only reffer to them when talking about it. Why would I engage myself with a group that I don't enjoy? It's like being your everyday leftist and hanging up with neonazis, you are only going to be angered and left with negative emotions, so it's better not to be around them.

this. this is why women don't want to be near you.

[Saiwania]

I would contend that legal prostitution being available would at least help some people out there. Not fix their problems of course, but be a popular vice/outlet that'd take the mystery or overwhelming demand out of sex but could arguably contribute to the economy and taxes more than legal marijuana.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yeah being seen as a sex toy tends to do that. Doesn't help that most of the terms used by those communities are intended to degrade and dehumanize.

What do you want me to do? I dislike their culture, their ideology, their voices and even their bodies when I'm not aroused. I only "need" them for sexual intercourse so as a straight man of course I only reffer to them when talking about it. Why would I engage myself with a group that I don't enjoy? It's like being your everyday leftist and hanging up with neonazis, you are only going to be angered and left with negative emotions, so it's better not to be around them.

I’m about to blow your mind and explain the biggest reason you’re an incel. You don’t treat women like they’re people. Those of us that do have no problem actually getting them to interact with us.

[Vivolkha]

I might be going a little off-topic but I should probably point out that your interactions with women (or honestly whatever sex you are attracted to) should improve if your mental health improves.

I'm somebody with a number of mental health issues including a serious trauma with romantic relationships. My mental health has proven to be an enormous obstacle when dating (I've still never had a gf). However, I've managed to recognize that the main problem is mostly my highly distorted and clingy behavior with women. Women are not to be blamed just for rejecting you - there is nobody to blame when everybody is acting according to their own feelings (and respecting the feelings of others).

As I've been attending therapy, the situation has improved somewhat, even if I still have a long way to go.

[Incel Argentina]

I would contend that legal prostitution being available would at least help some people out there. Not fix their problems of course, but be a popular vice/outlet that'd take the mystery or overwhelming demand out of sex but could arguably contribute to the economy and taxes more than legal marijuana.

I fully agree.

What do you want me to do? I dislike their culture, their ideology, their voices and even their bodies when I'm not aroused. I only "need" them for sexual intercourse so as a straight man of course I only reffer to them when talking about it. Why would I engage myself with a group that I don't enjoy? It's like being your everyday leftist and hanging up with neonazis, you are only going to be angered and left with negative emotions, so it's better not to be around them.

I’m about to blow your mind and explain the biggest reason you’re an incel. You don’t treat women like they’re people. Those of us that do have no problem actually getting them to interact with us.

I treat women as people; people I don't like to be around. The only issue with this is that I am sexually attracted to them.

[Whitemore]

I would contend that legal prostitution being available would at least help some people out there. Not fix their problems of course, but be a popular vice/outlet that'd take the mystery or overwhelming demand out of sex but could arguably contribute to the economy and taxes more than legal marijuana.

I fully agree.

I’m about to blow your mind and explain the biggest reason you’re an incel. You don’t treat women like they’re people. Those of us that do have no problem actually getting them to interact with us.

I treat women as people; people I don't like to be around. The only issue with this is that I am sexually attracted to them.

Why do you not like women?

[Excidium Planetis]

What do you want me to do? I dislike their culture, their ideology, their voices and even their bodies when I'm not aroused. I only "need" them for sexual intercourse so as a straight man of course I only reffer to them when talking about it. Why would I engage myself with a group that I don't enjoy?

Yeah... see, there's so many red flags in this post. As I said, your attitude influences your actions and I think that's apparent in what you say here.

1) Women are not a monolithic entity. They do not all have the same culture. They do not all have the same ideology. They don't even all have the same voices. Maybe you need to get out into the world more and see these differences yourself, but in any case, when you stereotype / generalize a large group of people and use that to dismiss them, you're not going to find yourself appreciated by that group of people. See, what you are describing is sexism, the sex equivalent of racism. Saying that you dislike women and providing generalized reasons for such and then complaining that went won't sleep with you is like saying you dislike black people, providing some racist stereotypes as justification, and then complaining that black people don't want to be around you.

2) If you only need them for sexual intercourse, then you don't need women. Find yourself a prostitute if you really must have sex. The vast majority of women want to be valued for something other than sex. If you can't value a woman for things that are important to her, you shouldn't be involving yourself with her at all.