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Postby Sonakion » Fri Sep 09, 2022 8:13 am

Ifreann wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:There’s so many reports coming in it honestly sounds like the Izyum front has collapsed almost entirely for the Russians. I would not be shocked if the city is surrounded tomorrow.

Starting to get the impression that Russia is bad at war.

Have they ever been good at war in the first place. Russia hasn't exactly had a central role in any large-scale conflicts before Ukraine. The West has just assumed Russia is powerful because of its past as the Soviet Union and because of its stockpile of nuclear weapons and it seems only the latter is holding up now.
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Postby New Baltenstein » Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:33 am

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New Baltenstein wrote:the famous-yet-unidentified reporter whose unexpected question at a GDR government press conference in 1989 led to the downfall of the Berlin Wall

Unidentified? His name is Riccardo Ehrman.

Edit: Might be Peter Brinkmann according to Schabowski.


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Postby TomKirk » Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:58 am

Sonakion wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Starting to get the impression that Russia is bad at war.

Have they ever been good at war in the first place. Russia hasn't exactly had a central role in any large-scale conflicts before Ukraine. The West has just assumed Russia is powerful because of its past as the Soviet Union and because of its stockpile of nuclear weapons and it seems only the latter is holding up now.

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:57 pm

This vid is a pretty good indication of the panic and rout that the Russians are currently experiencing: https://twitter.com/CalibreObscura/stat ... 6373059586
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Postby New Baltenstein » Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:43 pm

Leaked Ukrainian army plans for the actual Kherson offensive:

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New Baltenstein wrote:Leaked Ukrainian army plans for the actual Kherson offensive:



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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:45 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
New Baltenstein wrote:Leaked Ukrainian army plans for the actual Kherson offensive:



Rate my encirclement, reddit

The Ukrainians cracked the 2022.9 patch meta
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Postby Punished UMN » Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:50 pm

If I were Putin I would shoot myself NOW
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Postby Port Caverton » Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:52 pm

Punished UMN wrote:If I were Putin I would shoot myself NOW

Hopefully he doesn't.
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Postby Fractalnavel » Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:53 pm

Punished UMN wrote:If I were Putin I would shoot myself NOW


So an identity crisis could be fatal...

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Postby Punished UMN » Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:53 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:If I were Putin I would shoot myself NOW

Hopefully he doesn't.

no way the Russian equivalent of the secret service would let him near a gun or sharp objects rn lmao
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Postby New Baltenstein » Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:57 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
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Here's hoping that the Russian troops in the liberated territories were too busy packing their looted stuff to commit a few more atrocities against the civilian population before they left.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:59 pm

Punished UMN wrote:If I were Putin I would shoot myself NOW


this ain't 24
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Postby Punished UMN » Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:08 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:If I were Putin I would shoot myself NOW


this ain't 24

Not because he's gonna lose that badly, because he's depressed.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:13 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
this ain't 24

Not because he's gonna lose that badly, because he's depressed.


he doesn't have the balls
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:24 pm

Current estimated progress of Ukraine's Kharkiv push. Keep in mind it's rapidly developing there, so even though this map is only a few hours old it might already be hopelessly out of date:
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:39 pm

I hope Ukraine retakes Crimea
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:25 pm

If current maps in the last hour are to be believed, there is a pocket of encircled Russian forces forming around Izyum:

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Postby Port Caverton » Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:33 pm

The New California Republic wrote:If current maps in the last hour are to be believed, there is a pocket of encircled Russian forces forming around Izyum:


If they manage to get encircled, how many Russian troops would be captured?
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:43 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:If current maps in the last hour are to be believed, there is a pocket of encircled Russian forces forming around Izyum:


If they manage to get encircled, how many Russian troops would be captured?

There might not be many left in the pocket at all, judging by the quantities of abandoned equipment and Russian forces that have been seen fleeing.
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Postby Picairn » Fri Sep 09, 2022 6:32 pm

The information around the Horokhovatka - Oskil area is so murky right now with all the contradictory reports coming in. Rybar claims that Russian reserves have arrived in the area and pushed the Ukrainians back from the Horokhovatka bridge, as well as stopping the Ukrainian advance into Kupiansk. Western sources allege that Horokhovatka and Oskil itself have been taken. The only consistent information is that there is also a Ukrainian attack towards Izyum from the south, and the Kupiansk bridge was destroyed. Reportedly the Horokhovatka bridge was destroyed some time in March.

The situation is fluid, and we need visual confirmation to make sure of everything.
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