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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:13 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
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Still better than an american lackey. :D

Srsly, all the US has done regarding Ukraine was to fill the coffers of its rich f**** billionaire military-industrial complex by selling weapons. They don't give a **** about the people, all they care about is their filthy money, as usual.

They should all be locked up with nothing but dollars to eat. Or better...give them food but no TP but a wad of their dirty money. And then wait until they use it. :twisted:

The modern Western political intellectual ladies and gentlemen... smh why am i even in the same camp as you lot

Ya know if all the US cared about was money then we literally would not have dropped nearly 40 billion dollars on Ukraine.

We also wouldn’t have bothered with NATO and protecting Europe or really any military venture that didn’t make us money.

Clearly we don’t just care about money
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Postby Best Belarus » Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:18 pm

some of us (like me) are in countries pretty far from Ukraine, and don't have jobs-i'm still in high school so please don't judge me-so donations aren't really an option. but you can always stream ukrainian artists on spotify/apple/amazon music! i personally am OBSESSED with go_a to the point that i made a country inspired by them. plus their music is so good. anyways, slava ukraini <3
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Postby The House of Hamid » Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:59 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:The modern Western political intellectual ladies and gentlemen... smh why am i even in the same camp as you lot

Ya know if all the US cared about was money then we literally would not have dropped nearly 40 billion dollars on Ukraine.

We also wouldn’t have bothered with NATO and protecting Europe or really any military venture that didn’t make us money.

Clearly we don’t just care about money


P*** off back to the united states of A****holery then. Go "protect" someone else, ami go home! Nobody wants you to spread you ideology of greed here or anywhere else. All you care for is that your rich people get richer, off our backs and from our wallets. And take your bloody companies with you! Facebook is sh*** anyway.
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Postby Picairn » Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:59 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
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My dude let's be honest here: the odds that somebody other than Arch knows what you're referring to is less likely than an unconditional Russian surrender. You may as well just tell us what the thread title is supposed to mean smh.

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Postby Terminus Station » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:01 pm

I'm glad the Americans are helping Ukraine. Maybe im old fashion but It's a good investment making sure putin can't invade another country. Hopefully putins cancer takes him out before any more damage is done.

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Postby Mestovakia » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:11 pm

The House of Hamid wrote:
P*** off back to the united states of A****holery then. Go "protect" someone else, ami go home! Nobody wants you to spread you ideology of greed here or anywhere else. All you care for is that your rich people get richer, off our backs and from our wallets. And take your bloody companies with you! Facebook is sh*** anyway.


Wow. You good, mate?
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Postby Picairn » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:12 pm

Reminder that if the West hopes to create any revolution or assassination of Putin in Russia, that will most likely only come with military defeats on the battlefield in conjunction with severe economic crises, judging by historical examples. This war will take years of Western and Ukrainian patience to produce both effects.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:28 pm

Picairn wrote:Reminder that if the West hopes to create any revolution or assassination of Putin in Russia, that will most likely only come with military defeats on the battlefield in conjunction with severe economic crises, judging by historical examples. This war will take years of Western and Ukrainian patience to produce both effects.


Tbh if Ukraine completely fails for Russia, I think Putin will be out one way or another. Granted, you'd probably just get another Russian oligarch in charge instead. A shuffle rather than a revolution.
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Postby Mestovakia » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:32 pm

The House of Hamid wrote:
Mestovakia wrote:
Wow. You good, mate?


Yeah, just hate america, its global influence and its crapitalism. :D


I see. Also, I see you deleted that post.
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Postby Finalis » Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:11 pm

The House of Hamid wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Ya know if all the US cared about was money then we literally would not have dropped nearly 40 billion dollars on Ukraine.

We also wouldn’t have bothered with NATO and protecting Europe or really any military venture that didn’t make us money.

Clearly we don’t just care about money


P*** off back to the united states of A****holery then. Go "protect" someone else, ami go home! Nobody wants you to spread you ideology of greed here or anywhere else. All you care for is that your rich people get richer, off our backs and from our wallets. And take your bloody companies with you! Facebook is sh*** anyway.

a muslim backing putin? why, the irony! after putin flattened the cechens i'd have thought you'd be more critical
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Postby Hispida » Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:51 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:The modern Western political intellectual ladies and gentlemen... smh why am i even in the same camp as you lot

Ya know if all the US cared about was money then we literally would not have dropped nearly 40 billion dollars on Ukraine.

We also wouldn’t have bothered with NATO and protecting Europe or really any military venture that didn’t make us money.

Clearly we don’t just care about money

true! we also care about influence
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:53 pm

The House of Hamid wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Ya know if all the US cared about was money then we literally would not have dropped nearly 40 billion dollars on Ukraine.

We also wouldn’t have bothered with NATO and protecting Europe or really any military venture that didn’t make us money.

Clearly we don’t just care about money


P*** off back to the united states of A****holery then. Go "protect" someone else, ami go home! Nobody wants you to spread you ideology of greed here or anywhere else. All you care for is that your rich people get richer, off our backs and from our wallets. And take your bloody companies with you! Facebook is sh*** anyway.

You ok dude?

Also ya know ya don’t have to censor your words right? We aren’t 11.

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Postby Vistulange » Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:02 am

Finalis wrote:
The House of Hamid wrote:
P*** off back to the united states of A****holery then. Go "protect" someone else, ami go home! Nobody wants you to spread you ideology of greed here or anywhere else. All you care for is that your rich people get richer, off our backs and from our wallets. And take your bloody companies with you! Facebook is sh*** anyway.

a muslim backing putin? why, the irony! after putin flattened the cechens i'd have thought you'd be more critical

How do you know they're Muslim?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:08 am

The House of Hamid wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Ya know if all the US cared about was money then we literally would not have dropped nearly 40 billion dollars on Ukraine.

We also wouldn’t have bothered with NATO and protecting Europe or really any military venture that didn’t make us money.

Clearly we don’t just care about money


P*** off back to the united states of A****holery then. Go "protect" someone else, ami go home! Nobody wants you to spread you ideology of greed here or anywhere else. All you care for is that your rich people get richer, off our backs and from our wallets. And take your bloody companies with you! Facebook is sh*** anyway.

Calm down
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Postby Perikuresu » Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:33 am

Vistulange wrote:
Finalis wrote:a muslim backing putin? why, the irony! after putin flattened the cechens i'd have thought you'd be more critical

How do you know they're Muslim?

iirc Hamid stated that they're secular/in favour of secularism
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Postby Vistulange » Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:46 am

Perikuresu wrote:
Vistulange wrote:How do you know they're Muslim?

iirc Hamid stated that they're secular/in favour of secularism

Yes. I have a quaint idea that the poster assumed they were Muslim because of the flag, nation name, possibly his real-life nationality; none of which require a person to be Muslim. But that's besides the point of the thread.
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Postby Not Alie » Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:56 am

Anyways, back to topic

Fresh shelling in Zaporizhzhia plant, both sides continue blame game:
Reuters wrote:Ukraine warns of fresh 'provocations', shelling near occupied nuclear plant

KYIV, Aug 13 (Reuters) - Ukraine's defence intelligence agency warned of fresh Russian "provocations" on Saturday at an occupied nuclear plant in southern Ukraine, while the exiled mayor of the town where the plant is located said it had come under fresh shelling.

Enerhodar mayor Dmytro Orlov, who evacuated to Kyiv-controlled territory in April, wrote on Telegram that local residents had informed him of fresh Russian shelling in the direction of the town’s industrial zone and the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant on Saturday. It was not clear if any shells hit the grounds of the plant.

Local Russian-installed official Vladimir Rogov wrote on Telegram that Ukrainian forces were shelling the plant.

"According to witnesses, explosions can be heard again in the town," Rogov said, adding that shells had landed in the vicinity of the power station, without specifying if it had hit the plant's territory.

Ukraine and Russia have traded accusations over multiple recent incidents of shelling at Europe’s largest nuclear power plant, while the G7 group of nations have called on Moscow to withdraw its forces from the power station.

Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak accused Russia of "hitting the part of the nuclear power plant where the energy that powers the south of Ukraine is generated."

"The goal is to disconnect us from the (plant) and blame the Ukrainian army for this," Podolyak wrote on Twitter.

Earlier on Saturday, Ukraine’s defence intelligence agency said Russia was preparing new "provocations" at the plant, saying Russian troops had parking a Pion self-propelled howitzer outside the nearby town and put a Ukrainian flag on it. The agency shared a photo appearing to show the cannon in question.

The agency also said that Thursday’s strikes on the territory of the Zaporizhzhia plant, which Ukraine says damaged water-pumping infrastructure and a fire station, had been conducted from the Russian-controlled village of Vodiane, about seven kilometres east of the plant.
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Postby Risottia » Sat Aug 13, 2022 2:31 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Ya know if all the US cared about was money then we literally would not have dropped nearly 40 billion dollars on Ukraine.

We also wouldn’t have bothered with NATO and protecting Europe or really any military venture that didn’t make us money.

Clearly we don’t just care about money

Lol.
The US didn't "protect Europe" (their own bit of Europe, actually) or Ukraine out of just being nice. Spheres of influences are a great way to make money, and to make money you have to invest money.
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Postby Risottia » Sat Aug 13, 2022 2:34 pm

Vistulange wrote:
Risottia wrote:The ordinary Russian cannot afford going on holiday to the EU, as the average GDP(nominal)/capita of Russia is 12 k$.
If the oligarchs' connections are just Schröder, well, we can be rather safe in assuming they'll stay out, as Schröder doesn't wield power enough to overrule the Bundesregierung.

Schröder was an example, Risottia, chosen to make a point. You surely don't think I believe that it begins and ends at the former Chancellor?

No, we could go on with more cogent examples like Orban, Le Pen, Salvini, just to name some.
Apart from Orban, none of those is in any position yet to dictate anything to border guards. Well, Salvini might be soon.
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Postby Vistulange » Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:16 pm

Risottia wrote:
Vistulange wrote:Schröder was an example, Risottia, chosen to make a point. You surely don't think I believe that it begins and ends at the former Chancellor?

No, we could go on with more cogent examples like Orban, Le Pen, Salvini, just to name some.
Apart from Orban, none of those is in any position yet to dictate anything to border guards. Well, Salvini might be soon.

Oh, yes. The fifth columnists within Europe. Hopefully, it'll stay restricted to Orbán. I'm not familiar with Italian politics, so I can only say I hope Salvini isn't elected. What I fear is—in the event of a Salvini premiership—Italy becoming the enabler for pro-Russian EU nations, replacing Poland (though, needless to say, Poland's enabling was in regard to the rule of law and liberal democracy, not pro-Russian policies).
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Postby Sordhau » Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:37 pm

Vistulange wrote:
Risottia wrote:No, we could go on with more cogent examples like Orban, Le Pen, Salvini, just to name some.
Apart from Orban, none of those is in any position yet to dictate anything to border guards. Well, Salvini might be soon.

Oh, yes. The fifth columnists within Europe. Hopefully, it'll stay restricted to Orbán. I'm not familiar with Italian politics, so I can only say I hope Salvini isn't elected. What I fear is—in the event of a Salvini premiership—Italy becoming the enabler for pro-Russian EU nations, replacing Poland (though, needless to say, Poland's enabling was in regard to the rule of law and liberal democracy, not pro-Russian policies).


Very strange to consider the leaders of sovereign states as 'fifth columnists'. Who exactly are they working to undermine? Some nebulous concept of a united European 'nation'?
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:40 pm

Risottia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Ya know if all the US cared about was money then we literally would not have dropped nearly 40 billion dollars on Ukraine.

We also wouldn’t have bothered with NATO and protecting Europe or really any military venture that didn’t make us money.

Clearly we don’t just care about money

Lol.
The US didn't "protect Europe" (their own bit of Europe, actually) or Ukraine out of just being nice. Spheres of influences are a great way to make money, and to make money you have to invest money.
The fact that Putin is a bloody bastard doesn't make America a saint.

I didn’t say the US was a saint at all in my post.

I said if the US only cared about money and money alone we wouldn’t spend billions a year supporting NATO or anything else in Europe. The poster I replied to said the US only cared about money and nothing else, if that was the case we wouldn’t spend billions trying to shore up or sphere of influence and just fuck back to our home.

Because we haven’t done that means we aren’t just caring about the money but other things like influence

However that’s all besides the point because the US hasn’t made a dime on Ukraine. We will eventually but not now.
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Postby Port Caverton » Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:07 pm

In unsurprising news,Russian GDP drops 4% in Q2 -- 1st full quarter of fighting.

Putin just set back his economy by 4 years
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:25 pm

Port Caverton wrote:In unsurprising news,Russian GDP drops 4% in Q2 -- 1st full quarter of fighting.

Putin just set back his economy by 4 years

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Postby Not Alie » Sat Aug 13, 2022 8:52 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:In unsurprising news,Russian GDP drops 4% in Q2 -- 1st full quarter of fighting.

Putin just set back his economy by 4 years

But "mUh StRoNg RuBlE!"

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