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American Pere Housh wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:another one?

They let the Ukrainians capture a fully intact and working electronic warfare pod. This pod is the best the Russians have in their arsenal.

Yea, they did that last week too. Hence why I asked another one? or was it the same one?

Anyone know if there are enough Russians in the countryside to farm? Or will the mobilization cause a food shortage?

Neutraligon wrote:Anyone know if there are enough Russians in the countryside to farm? Or will the mobilization cause a food shortage?

In post Soviet Russia, farm eat you

New Baltenstein wrote:... a certain Russian je-ne-sais-quoi...

What would that actually be in idiomatic Russian?

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Tarsonis wrote:

Neutraligon wrote:Anyone know if there are enough Russians in the countryside to farm? Or will the mobilization cause a food shortage?

In post Soviet Russia, farm eat you

Not far from the truth. Russian farmers can go off to war, while the farmers of their remaining trading partners will fill the foodstuffs gap. Maybe? Which is indirectly throwing foreign nationals at the war too.

New Baltenstein wrote:I had an eerie feeling that something was missing from Putin's mobilization announcement, a certain Russian je-ne-sais-quoi...

Putin Ally Dies After Falling Down Stairs on Day of Russia Mobilization

The former head of the Moscow Aviation Institute has died after falling down "several flights of stairs," the institute reported Wednesday.

Scientist Anatoly Gerashchenko, 72, "fell from a great height," according to the university, which described his death in the Russian capital as an accident.

The institute also said paramedics were called to the scene but pronounced Gerashchenko dead in the same location. The place where he reportedly fell to his death is still unknown.

source

...but it turns out I was mistaken. Good ol' Vladimir thought of everything.

this is the final straw, i am now convinced that this special military operation was a big mistake. russia could have saved this guy's life by spending the money to make stairs less prone to people falling down them instead of on this special military operation

Tarsonis wrote:

American Pere Housh wrote:They let the Ukrainians capture a fully intact and working electronic warfare pod. This pod is the best the Russians have in their arsenal.

Yea, they did that last week too. Hence why I asked another one? or was it the same one?

the T-90M is a MBT and is has their best tech in it. The Ukrainians have given both the pod and the tank to the Americans to see how each tick.

Sordhau wrote:

Rusozak wrote:When this first started, Putin's image was so heavily inflated I thought he had some evil mastermind plan and he must know something we don't because he'd never do something so stupid.

Now he's seen as a clown and I believe it's possible he may preside over the disintegration of the Russian Federation.

Predicting the collapse of the Russian Federation is a bit extreme at this point. I don't think even Putin could accomplish such a feat on his own, not without internal discord. All signs suggest he's still the alpha dog at home even if some are leaving the pack. His position has been weakened but not necessarily crippled. Unless someone more charismatic comes along and convinces enough important people to stage a coup he'll probably die in power.

Disintegration can still happen. Especially in the Caucasus and Siberia. A lot of the troops are coming from the minority ethnic areas so it’s entirely possible that we could see some rumblings about independence or refusal to enforce recruitment

Tarsonis wrote:

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Yes, please- if they’ll do that then I’ll early travel there, grab my green card and begin serving uncle sam’s misguided sons.

No offense but I don't think joining the marines sounds like your bag.

USMC= Uncle Sam's Misguided Children

Err

American Pere Housh wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
Yea, they did that last week too. Hence why I asked another one? or was it the same one?

the T-90M is a MBT and is has their best tech in it. The Ukrainians have given both the pod and the tank to the Americans to see how each tick.

....okay this bot is stuck on repeat....

New Baltenstein wrote:I had an eerie feeling that something was missing from Putin's mobilization announcement, a certain Russian je-ne-sais-quoi...

Putin Ally Dies After Falling Down Stairs on Day of Russia Mobilization

The former head of the Moscow Aviation Institute has died after falling down "several flights of stairs," the institute reported Wednesday.

Scientist Anatoly Gerashchenko, 72, "fell from a great height," according to the university, which described his death in the Russian capital as an accident.

The institute also said paramedics were called to the scene but pronounced Gerashchenko dead in the same location. The place where he reportedly fell to his death is still unknown.

source

...but it turns out I was mistaken. Good ol' Vladimir thought of everything.

I mean, that guy may have been important, but why would the Kremlin kill him? Unless he was a spy, it would be pretty odd to go from energy and finance bigwigs to someone who’s helping the Defense Ministry with R&D. I don’t take Putin as Stalin enough to just kill him because the war is going badly.

Fractalnavel wrote:Not far from the truth. Russian farmers can go off to war, while the farmers of their remaining trading partners will fill the foodstuffs gap. Maybe? Which is indirectly throwing foreign nationals at the war too.

We should try to peel Russia's trading partners off from wanting to trade with them. They could perhaps get paid more if in exchange, they'll join into a complete embargo and blockade against Russia. We need to see Russia brought to its knees to push them into unconditional surrender if this can be acheived. Ideally, we could manage to coerce them into giving up their nuclear arsenal given how irresponsible they are with threatening to use it.

It is an unlikely outcome, but I feel it is worth pursuing to see how much can be gotten if Russia indeed loses this. If Russia wants relief from internal unrest, their choice should be a regime change at minimum, United Russia party being banned and all of Putin and ultranationalists ousted, along with a full and permanent withdrawal from all of Ukraine.

Failure to meet those conditions, should mean us pushing for an unconditional surrender on Russia's part. We won't need to invade them, we just need to ensure that their economy is ruined and that they won't be able to import anything.

Thermodolia wrote:

Sordhau wrote:
Predicting the collapse of the Russian Federation is a bit extreme at this point. I don't think even Putin could accomplish such a feat on his own, not without internal discord. All signs suggest he's still the alpha dog at home even if some are leaving the pack. His position has been weakened but not necessarily crippled. Unless someone more charismatic comes along and convinces enough important people to stage a coup he'll probably die in power.

Disintegration can still happen. Especially in the Caucasus and Siberia. A lot of the troops are coming from the minority ethnic areas so it’s entirely possible that we could see some rumblings about independence or refusal to enforce recruitment

IIRC the majority of recruits were coming from ethnic republics where support for Russia was high (North Ossetia-Alania) or the population was predominantly Russian (Buryatia) whereas the one exception was Tuva (I think) and the ethnicity of the conscripts wasn't clarified.

Sordhau wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Disintegration can still happen. Especially in the Caucasus and Siberia. A lot of the troops are coming from the minority ethnic areas so it’s entirely possible that we could see some rumblings about independence or refusal to enforce recruitment

IIRC the majority of recruits were coming from ethnic republics where support for Russia was high (North Ossetia-Alania) or the population was predominantly Russian (Buryatia) whereas the one exception was Tuva (I think) and the ethnicity of the conscripts wasn't clarified.

I heard somewhere that Yakuts people where being disproportionately sent to frontlines

Port Caverton wrote:Putin Readies 43% Defense Spending Hike Amid Plan for Longer War

Ans he's gonna procure that money via magic

Tarsonis wrote:

Port Caverton wrote:Putin Readies 43% Defense Spending Hike Amid Plan for Longer War

Ans he's gonna procure that money via magic

Let him do it, we'll get to see a first-hand experiment of how MMT works in the real world, if it can work.

Saiwania wrote:

Fractalnavel wrote:Not far from the truth. Russian farmers can go off to war, while the farmers of their remaining trading partners will fill the foodstuffs gap. Maybe? Which is indirectly throwing foreign nationals at the war too.

We should try to peel Russia's trading partners off from wanting to trade with them. They could perhaps get paid more if in exchange, they'll join into a complete embargo and blockade against Russia. We need to see Russia brought to its knees to push them into unconditional surrender if this can be acheived. Ideally, we could manage to coerce them into giving up their nuclear arsenal given how irresponsible they are with threatening to use it.

It is an unlikely outcome, but I feel it is worth pursuing to see how much can be gotten if Russia indeed loses this. If Russia wants relief from internal unrest, their choice should be a regime change at minimum, United Russia party being banned and all of Putin and ultranationalists ousted, along with a full and permanent withdrawal from all of Ukraine.

Failure to meet those conditions, should mean us pushing for an unconditional surrender on Russia's part. We won't need to invade them, we just need to ensure that their economy is ruined and that they won't be able to import anything.

How do you convince Brazil, most of Africa and Middle East, India and China + a lot of other small countries like Vietnam, basically the entire SCO+expanded BRICS, aka the entire world besides NATO (not even all of that) and Japan?
How do you ban a normal centre-right party that is simply very corrupt but not ideologically totalitarian, I'd say not even definite?

Wooo

Fractalnavel wrote:

New Baltenstein wrote:... a certain Russian je-ne-sais-quoi...

What would that actually be in idiomatic Russian?

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Tarsonis wrote:
In post Soviet Russia, farm eat you

Not far from the truth. Russian farmers can go off to war, while the farmers of their remaining trading partners will fill the foodstuffs gap. Maybe? Which is indirectly throwing foreign nationals at the war too.

But which trading partners would be willing to do this right now? Food prices are already going up around the world.

Saiwania wrote:

Fractalnavel wrote:Not far from the truth. Russian farmers can go off to war, while the farmers of their remaining trading partners will fill the foodstuffs gap. Maybe? Which is indirectly throwing foreign nationals at the war too.

We should try to peel Russia's trading partners off from wanting to trade with them. They could perhaps get paid more if in exchange, they'll join into a complete embargo and blockade against Russia. We need to see Russia brought to its knees to push them into unconditional surrender if this can be acheived. Ideally, we could manage to coerce them into giving up their nuclear arsenal given how irresponsible they are with threatening to use it.

It is an unlikely outcome, but I feel it is worth pursuing to see how much can be gotten if Russia indeed loses this. If Russia wants relief from internal unrest, their choice should be a regime change at minimum, United Russia party being banned and all of Putin and ultranationalists ousted, along with a full and permanent withdrawal from all of Ukraine.

Failure to meet those conditions, should mean us pushing for an unconditional surrender on Russia's part. We won't need to invade them, we just need to ensure that their economy is ruined and that they won't be able to import anything.

After what the West has done to Russian trading partners like India and African countries when they wanted cheap oil (not to mention the past 70 years), do you really think they are gonna trust the West? Very Naive

Ethikia wrote:How do you convince Brazil, most of Africa and Middle East, India and China + a lot of other small countries like Vietnam, basically the entire SCO+expanded BRICS, aka the entire world besides NATO (not even all of that) and Japan?
How do you ban a normal centre-right party that is simply very corrupt but not ideologically totalitarian, I'd say not even definite?

The "you're with us or against us" approach should work fine. If everything negative that is being applied to Russia is applied to any countries helping Russia as well in any material way, it means those countries will have to choose between allegiance to Russia or allegiance to the international side arrayed against Russia in this Ukraine conflict.

Shrillland wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
Ans he's gonna procure that money via magic

Let him do it, we'll get to see a first-hand experiment of how MMT works in the real world, if it can work.

Not quite, the ruble isn't the world's reserve currency, so the Russian government will have to keep the debt-to-GDP ratio low. I imagine that a lot of expenditures in other departments will continue to be cut to partially finance the war.

The "referendum" voting process: Armed soldiers with guns coming to your house and asking for your vote.

The BBC report.

The Economist reported similar things.

Picairn wrote:The "referendum" voting process: Armed soldiers with guns coming to your house and asking for your vote.

The BBC report.

Most democratic Russian election

Picairn wrote:The "referendum" voting process: Armed soldiers with guns coming to your house and asking for your vote.

The BBC report.

Omg, are those Russians running a fair and free election?