The Ukrainian War IV: "And von Moltke Laughed ..."

[Laka Strolistandiler]

One of the Russian YouTubers I’m watching have been mobilized- not only so they have to purchase a large part of the equipment themselves, but they also are given EXTREMELY little time before being shipped out to training. This sucks

Wait, they have to buy their equipment themselves?! And here I was, complaining about the warm underpants...

He purchased a backpack, some foodstuffs, hygiene and stuff. Yes, they are only provided with combat gear (some additionally purchase things like TVD/NVD’s or collimator sights). This fucking sucks.

[Andsed]

A city administration building in Tolyatti was set on fire. I would not point to this as evidence of some kind of mass revolt, but its definitely telling about the feelings of the Russian people about mobilization.

One of the Russian YouTubers I’m watching have been mobilized- not only so they have to purchase a large part of the equipment themselves, but they also are given EXTREMELY little time before being shipped out to training. This sucks

Jesus. Russian supply issues are really that bad huh? These conscripts are going to be butchered.

[El Lazaro]

Could the world's international order be more interesting if there were not one, but two UN organizations which were diametrically opposed and regularly vie for influence over non-aligned countries? I can see potential in it being like the Halls of Justice vs. the Legion of Doom.

That defeats the purpose of having a UN in the first place. It only works if everyone wants to be a part of it.

What liberal democracies should do is create a more active alliance that includes weaker democracies to provide them economic, military, and support. As a cooperation organization parallel to the UN, it would maintain global stability while covering many of the UN’s blind spots.

[Lord Dominator]

Putin reportedly giving orders to generals in the field.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Putin reportedly giving orders to generals in the field.

As we all know, whenever dictators with political but not military experience overtake direct control over military units it always ends *cough cough, Barbarossa ruined by Hitler’s idiocy, cough cough* ends well!

[Andsed]

Wait, they have to buy their equipment themselves?! And here I was, complaining about the warm underpants...

He purchased a backpack, some foodstuffs, hygiene and stuff. Yes, they are only provided with combat gear (some additionally purchase things like TVD/NVD’s or collimator sights). This fucking sucks.

I can't imagine whatever combat gear they are getting is particularly great or modern if the government can't even provide them with basic things like backpacks and food.

[Gravlen]

Russians who flee after getting mobilization orders will be eligible for asylum in many - not all - European countries.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

He purchased a backpack, some foodstuffs, hygiene and stuff. Yes, they are only provided with combat gear (some additionally purchase things like TVD/NVD’s or collimator sights). This fucking sucks.

I can't imagine whatever combat gear they are getting is particularly great or modern if the government can't even provide them with basic things like backpacks and food.

They try to justify this by saying “bUT the UKrAiNians do it ToO!” despite the fact that Russia is supposedly superior both numerically and quality-wise. Some questions to you: whenever US NG of some states gets activated do they also have to buy some of their own stuff? Hell, they’re even officially advised to purchase things like belts because belts officially issued by the military are often of abysmal quality

[New Baltenstein]

Putin reportedly giving orders to generals in the field.

Is there anything from the "Adolf Hitler playbook for megalomaniac dictators" that Putin isn't taking notes from at this point?

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Russians who flee after getting mobilization orders will be eligible for asylum in many - not all - European countries.

I’ve been asking about being eligible for asylum in UK and Germany and immigration officers in both of these countries have confirmed that they’ll take me in if I would receive a mobilization order.

I am repeating my earlier question about anyone living in the UK for whom I can work as a housemaid. Sex not included. Probably.

[Luziyca]

Putin reportedly giving orders to generals in the field.

Very bold move on his part. It worked extremely well for Tsar Nicholas II when he took command of the Russian army during the First World War, after all.

[The North Polish Union]

Russians who flee after getting mobilization orders will be eligible for asylum in many - not all - European countries.

Bielarus is definitely in the "not all" camp, but media there is reporting that the security forces have been instructed to track Russians hiding from mobilization. Monitor those applying for the "apartment for a day" things (similar to AirBNB) and track cars with Russian license plates.

Latvia is also (rightly) not permitting those 'fleeing' from mobilization, noting that it poses a serious security risk. I have written about this problem before

[The Alma Mater]

Russians who flee after getting mobilization orders will be eligible for asylum in many - not all - European countries.

These people have been perfectly ok with Russia slaughtering Ukrainians for months and are only protesting now that there is a chance they themselves will get hurt.
Why welcome them?

[Andsed]

I can't imagine whatever combat gear they are getting is particularly great or modern if the government can't even provide them with basic things like backpacks and food.

They try to justify this by saying “bUT the UKrAiNians do it ToO!” despite the fact that Russia is supposedly superior both numerically and quality-wise. Some questions to you: whenever US NG of some states gets activated do they also have to buy some of their own stuff? Hell, they’re even officially advised to purchase things like belts because belts officially issued by the military are often of abysmal quality

I am no expert but I pretty sure the NG are provided with everything they need when their called up. It is extremely bad if a nation can barley provide the bare needs for its troops.

Russians who flee after getting mobilization orders will be eligible for asylum in many - not all - European countries.

These people have been perfectly ok with Russia slaughtering Ukrainians for months and are only protesting now that there is a chance they themselves will get hurt.
Why welcome them?

If we are looking at simple pragmatic reasons letting them flee drains Russia of manpower and workers they will need for mobilization.

[Wallowis]

We don't have to do any of that; but we absolutely should respect a population's right to self-determination, which almost no country on Earth wants to do. People don't even bother with referendums - whether organizing them or voting for them - because they largely believe they're futile and that the ruling government won't respect the results. This is why wars of independence (or even wars of conquest) happen every now and again. Perhaps we shouldn't force whole territories to be part of polities that they don't want to be part of? The West can easily apply this logic to Ukraine and Kosovo and Taiwan and other countries that are on their side, but when it comes to lucrative arrangements like Assyria or Artsakh or ones that benefit their enemies like South Ossetia and Abkhazia and the Western Sahara they're suddenly silent.

People want to talk shit about the USSR but the SSRs always had the right to secede and when they finally invoked that right their decision was respected. If Hawaii tried to secede from the US we'd starve the island into surrender and bomb it's infrastructure into rubble without a second thought.

Aha... so, when Chechnya wanted independence, it was respected... funny how 'respecting the right to secede' apparently looks in Russian...

Who said we supported Russia? I can't speak for Sordhau, but this is a stupid comparison given that I've already acknowledged Russia has failed to do that too. But the hypocrisy of Russia in accusing Ukraine of not respecting self determination does not make the fact that Ukraine is not respecting self determination less true

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Russians who flee after getting mobilization orders will be eligible for asylum in many - not all - European countries.

These people have been perfectly ok with Russia slaughtering Ukrainians for months and are only protesting now that there is a chance they themselves will get hurt.
Why welcome them?

Why, many of us here have been opposed to the Putin’s war, and what do you expect us to do? Blow up war comissariats, burn railroads and shit? You do understand that leaving the country means loosing a lot?

[Ifreann]

Russians who flee after getting mobilization orders will be eligible for asylum in many - not all - European countries.

Fleeing conscription into an unjust war of aggression seems like a strong case for asylum.

[Gravlen]

Russians who flee after getting mobilization orders will be eligible for asylum in many - not all - European countries.

I’ve been asking about being eligible for asylum in UK and Germany and immigration officers in both of these countries have confirmed that they’ll take me in if I would receive a mobilization order.

I am repeating my earlier question about anyone living in the UK for whom I can work as a housemaid. Sex not included. Probably.

I'm sorry, but if I've understood your story correctly you won't get asylum. I'm serious: The fact that you have dual citizenship - or at least is a citizen of another country than Russia - precludes you from being given status as a refugee.

You need to be "outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country". Your country of nationality is Cameroon. Since you have no reason to fear being returned to Cameroon, that's where you'll be referred to.

Keep that in mind if you do plan on going elsewhere, so you don't get a rude awakening.

[Gravlen]

Russians who flee after getting mobilization orders will be eligible for asylum in many - not all - European countries.

These people have been perfectly ok with Russia slaughtering Ukrainians for months and are only protesting now that there is a chance they themselves will get hurt.
Why welcome them?

Do you have to welcome them in order to protect them from being persecuted? Is begrudging protection the same as open arms?

And should we require that people place themselves in harms way at a time of our choosing, in order to get that protection at a later date?

[Corrian]

The way they're hastily supplying and training new people, they're either unfortunately going to up and die in the meat grinder, or Ukraine is about to get thousands of more POW's because they just immediately surrender. Because who the hell wants to fight against Ukraine with no supplies, no proper resources, etc?

[Lady Mon]

Russians who flee after getting mobilization orders will be eligible for asylum in many - not all - European countries.

These people have been perfectly ok with Russia slaughtering Ukrainians for months and are only protesting now that there is a chance they themselves will get hurt.
Why welcome them?

You do realize that Russians seeking Asylum are the same ones that have been very anti-war for the last few months.

Kinda messed up you don't want innocent Russian families to have a safe haven.

[Fractalnavel]

BYO gear: the outcome of this is theft and violence within and between units.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

One of the Russian YouTubers I’m watching have been mobilized- not only so they have to purchase a large part of the equipment themselves, but they also are given EXTREMELY little time before being shipped out to training. This sucks

Wait, they have to buy their equipment themselves?! And here I was, complaining about the warm underpants...

Have we considered the possibility of Vlad P. attempting with intention to destroy Russia as a nation?

[The Selkie]

Wait, they have to buy their equipment themselves?! And here I was, complaining about the warm underpants...

He purchased a backpack, some foodstuffs, hygiene and stuff. Yes, they are only provided with combat gear (some additionally purchase things like TVD/NVD’s or collimator sights). This fucking sucks.

I remember that back when my brother went to Afghanistan, we bought him candy, toothpaste and magazines (to read, not to shoot), but that was about it. Everything else, the German Army provided.
So yeah, that sucks. I imagine, that these things aren't cheap either?

Who said we supported Russia? I can't speak for Sordhau, but this is a stupid comparison given that I've already acknowledged Russia has failed to do that too. But the hypocrisy of Russia in accusing Ukraine of not respecting self determination does not make the fact that Ukraine is not respecting self determination less true

Small thing, Wallowis: Have you read my post in its context, in particular regarding Sordhau simping for wonderful the USSR was at respecting the self determination of people?
My reply was aimed at her, too, and I know, that Sordhau supports the Disneyland Version of the USSR she thinks it was, but not Russia, she made that clear. I don't know, what you support and quite frankly, I don't really care. Your opinion is your opinion and if you have to shout it from the rooftops, fine by me, I have earplugs (or live far enough away from you, whichever is applicable here).
That being said, I'd really like to know, where the Ukraine is not respecting self-determination... if you say Donetzk and Lukhansk, be ready for me laughing at you.

[The Selkie]

Have we considered the possibility of Vlad P. attempting with intention to destroy Russia as a nation?

That might be the end result, but I doubt, that this is his intention. Russia as a world power to be feared and respected is over, though.
EDIT: And my apologies for the double-post.