The Ukrainian War IV: "And von Moltke Laughed ..."

[Washington Resistance Army]

You can make all the silly allegories you want but it doesn't change anything. NATO was on the way out, it was seen as an archaic and unneeded thing by many people, Russia alone changed that perception and Russia alone ensured NATO will continue to be a thing for many more decades to come.

Ukraine was Pinocchio.

NATO was Geppetto.

You can make all the silly allegories you want but it doesn't change anything.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

You can make all the silly allegories you want but it doesn't change anything. NATO was on the way out, it was seen as an archaic and unneeded thing by many people, Russia alone changed that perception and Russia alone ensured NATO will continue to be a thing for many more decades to come.

Ukraine was Pinocchio.

NATO was Geppetto.

Und here it is
The proof that tyranny infantilises.

[Picairn]

Yes, but Russia was not being threatened, so it's not a defensive action.

Russia would have been threatened by NATO even more than it was already, if Ukraine had joined, so this makes the SMO a defensive action.

Self-defence “for the win”!

Attack NATO then, what are you so afraid of?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Russia would have been threatened by NATO even more than it was already, if Ukraine had joined, so this makes the SMO a defensive action.

Self-defence “for the win”!

Attack NATO then, what are you so afraid of?

It'd be mighty embarrassing for Poland and USEUCOM alone to destroy the Russian Army I think

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

It'd be mighty embarrassing for Poland and USEUCOM alone to destroy the Russian Army I think :lol:

"Second global superpower" ladies and gentlemen.

At this rate the European Union will be the second military superpower before the Russians get there.

[Fifth Jellian Republic]

It'd be mighty embarrassing for Poland and USEUCOM alone to destroy the Russian Army I think

"Second global superpower" ladies and gentlemen.

At this rate the European Union will be the second military superpower before the Russians get there.

Russia was comparable to Italy in terms of economy before the war.
It stopped being a superpower the moment the Soviet Union fell.

[Perikuresu]

The famed Zaporizhzhia offensive claimed by the Russians currently doesn't exist. No videos or pictures to confirm, and one village was already under their control before being claimed as "taken". So far it's all baseless claims from the Russian propagandist accounts, and they are worth less than dirt.

I'm still waiting for the Ukrainian Zaporizhzhia Offensive, and the time when Ukraine linerates Melitopol, Berdyans'k, and Enerhodar.

[Picairn]

The US signals support for the Netherlands' proposal to transfer F-16s to Ukraine. Big news indeed if some of them could be transferred in the future.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The US signals support for the Netherlands' proposal to transfer F-16s to Ukraine. Big news indeed if some of them could be transferred in the future.

F-16 MLU's a massive step up from MiG-29's that Ukraine haven't had the money to upgrade from their 1980's standards so that's good.

[Orostan]

Russia would have been threatened by NATO even more than it was already, if Ukraine had joined, so this makes the SMO a defensive action.

Self-defence “for the win”!

How would it have threatened Russia unless Russia intended to take Ukraine?

How would Mexico forming a military alliance with China and hosting Chinese nukes and ground troops be a threat to the US if they didn't intend to invade Mexico?

[Fifth Jellian Republic]

The famed Zaporizhzhia offensive claimed by the Russians currently doesn't exist. No videos or pictures to confirm, and one village was already under their control before being claimed as "taken". So far it's all baseless claims from the Russian propagandist accounts, and they are worth less than dirt.

I'm still waiting for the Ukrainian Zaporizhzhia Offensive, and the time when Ukraine linerates Melitopol, Berdyans'k, and Enerhodar.

I wonder if they are waiting for more armored vehicles before they start.
Or maybe the Russians have kindly donated enough where it’s simply the mud that is holding them back.

[Washington Resistance Army]

How would it have threatened Russia unless Russia intended to take Ukraine?

How would Mexico forming a military alliance with China and hosting Chinese nukes and ground troops be a threat to the US if they didn't intend to invade Mexico?

Brother this stopped being a valid position to take in 1965. ICBMs exist, we don't need nukes in Ukraine to destroy Russia.

[Glagoly]

The famed Zaporizhzhia offensive claimed by the Russians currently doesn't exist. No videos or pictures to confirm, and one village was already under their control before being claimed as "taken". So far it's all baseless claims from the Russian propagandist accounts, and they are worth less than dirt.

I'm still waiting for the Ukrainian Zaporizhzhia Offensive, and the time when Ukraine linerates Melitopol, Berdyans'k, and Enerhodar.

The timing of the offensive will depend on the supply of weapons.

[Orostan]

How would Mexico forming a military alliance with China and hosting Chinese nukes and ground troops be a threat to the US if they didn't intend to invade Mexico?

Brother this stopped being a valid position to take in 1965. ICBMs exist, we don't need nukes in Ukraine to destroy Russia.

Yes you do. The closer a state's nukes are to another the more of an advantage it has in any nuclear war, not to mention the importance of Ukraine in a conventional war against Russia.

The Cuban missile crisis was entirely about how close American nukes were to the USSR and how close Soviet nukes were put to the USA. This matters enormously.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

absolutely love it when certain esteemed individuals drag in "what if mexico allies with prc"
Like...
Why would the most capitalistic nation on Earth sabotage its own vaunted GDP growth curve like that? That makes about as much fucking sense as Imperial Japan mounting a fifty division invasion of California in 1942.

[Raskana]

I'm still waiting for the Ukrainian Zaporizhzhia Offensive, and the time when Ukraine linerates Melitopol, Berdyans'k, and Enerhodar.

The timing of the offensive will depend on the supply of weapons.

My government WAS going to fund Leopard 2,s and deliver F-16,s, but that is off the wagon for now, so its just Patriots.

Its something, but still, Ukraine can really use those F-16,s, and we are replacing them anyhow.

[Orostan]

absolutely love it when certain esteemed individuals drag in "what if mexico allies with prc"
Like...
Why would the most capitalistic nation on Earth sabotage its own vaunted GDP growth curve like that? That makes about as much fucking sense as Imperial Japan mounting a fifty division invasion of California in 1942.

It's a hypothetical made for the sake of an argument. There's nothing else to it.

[The Holy Therns]

How would Mexico forming a military alliance with China and hosting Chinese nukes and ground troops be a threat to the US if they didn't intend to invade Mexico?

Brother this stopped being a valid position to take in 1965. ICBMs exist, we don't need nukes in Ukraine to destroy Russia.

Did they?

[Glagoly]

The timing of the offensive will depend on the supply of weapons.

My government WAS going to fund Leopard 2,s and deliver F-16,s, but that is off the wagon for now, so its just Patriots.

Its something, but still, Ukraine can really use those F-16,s, and we are replacing them anyhow.

What block is on your fighters?

[Fifth Jellian Republic]

Brother this stopped being a valid position to take in 1965. ICBMs exist, we don't need nukes in Ukraine to destroy Russia.

Yes you do. The closer a state's nukes are to another the more of an advantage it has in any nuclear war, not to mention the importance of Ukraine in a conventional war against Russia.

The Cuban missile crisis was entirely about how close American nukes were to the USSR and how close Soviet nukes were put to the USA. This matters enormously.

They could already put nukes in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, turkey, or on a submarine, so attacking Ukraine for that is basically empty.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

absolutely love it when certain esteemed individuals drag in "what if mexico allies with prc"
Like...
Why would the most capitalistic nation on Earth sabotage its own vaunted GDP growth curve like that? That makes about as much fucking sense as Imperial Japan mounting a fifty division invasion of California in 1942.

It's a hypothetical made for the sake of an argument. There's nothing else to it.

Your "hypothetical" needs to make fucking sense mate.

[United Russian Federal Republic]

It's a hypothetical made for the sake of an argument. There's nothing else to it.

Your "hypothetical" needs to make fucking sense mate.

No, you are being deliberately obtuse to avoid having to respond.

[Orostan]

Yes you do. The closer a state's nukes are to another the more of an advantage it has in any nuclear war, not to mention the importance of Ukraine in a conventional war against Russia.

The Cuban missile crisis was entirely about how close American nukes were to the USSR and how close Soviet nukes were put to the USA. This matters enormously.

They could already put nukes in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, turkey, or on a submarine, so attacking Ukraine for that is basically empty.

You admit that NATO is attempting to encircle Russia? Even if we disregard nuclear war for a moment Ukraine in NATO would be a massive advantage in a conventional war against Russia. It would be totally unacceptable for any Russian state.

It's a hypothetical made for the sake of an argument. There's nothing else to it.

Your "hypothetical" needs to make fucking sense mate.

You need to understand what a hypothetical is.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Brother this stopped being a valid position to take in 1965. ICBMs exist, we don't need nukes in Ukraine to destroy Russia.

Yes you do. The closer a state's nukes are to another the more of an advantage it has in any nuclear war, not to mention the importance of Ukraine in a conventional war against Russia.

The Cuban missile crisis was entirely about how close American nukes were to the USSR and how close Soviet nukes were put to the USA. This matters enormously.

The Cuban Missile Crisis happened precisely because the USSR did not have a large arsenal of ICBMs and had to try and find a way to ensure it could strike back at the US if needed. In the era of IRBMs that was perfectly sensible, but even fucking North Korea can nuke anywhere on the planet nowadays. We don't need anything in Ukraine, and even if we did we could just put them in the Baltics. It's a moot point.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Yes you do. The closer a state's nukes are to another the more of an advantage it has in any nuclear war, not to mention the importance of Ukraine in a conventional war against Russia.

The Cuban missile crisis was entirely about how close American nukes were to the USSR and how close Soviet nukes were put to the USA. This matters enormously.

The Cuban Missile Crisis happened precisely because the USSR did not have a large arsenal of ICBMs and had to try and find a way to ensure it could strike back at the US if needed. In the era of IRBMs that was perfectly sensible, but even fucking North Korea can nuke anywhere on the planet nowadays. We don't need anything in Ukraine, and even if we did we could just put them in the Baltics. It's a moot point.

"muh hypotheticals dont need to make fucking sense lal"