The Ukrainian War IV: "And von Moltke Laughed ..."

[Fifth Jellian Republic]

Well,
You say Russia is doing this in defense, but these acts of evil are based on orders given from the top.

It’s hard enough to conceive of defense as “invaliding and bombing my neighbor” but it’s impossible to say something like “defending the Russian speakers in Ukraine” as Russia murders them en-masse.

The SMO is a defensive action to hold back the threat of NATO, an organization which has proven itself to be volatile, unfriendly and untrustworthy.

How do you “hold back the threat of nato” by killing civilians guilty of the crime “existing”

Ukraine isn’t even in nato, and was not going to be.

Think back when Russia was threatening to use nukes.
That was volatile.
Not self restricting on what aid to send to Ukraine.

And when Putin began his invasion.
He did an entire speech, not about the “threat of nato” but how “Ukraine is not a real country”

This war is because Putin wants to conquer Ukraine.
He cares not for Ukrainians or Russians but power, and maybe some nostalgic Soviet glory.

You are not even allowed to call a 10 month conflict involving around 500k Russians as a war.

[Picairn]

You misunderstood me. My argument was more like "ready to play - be ready to lose".
I don't usually call the Russian nation a victim, especially in 1905 and 1918.

Lmao this is beyond parody.

[Eastern Kansas]

Well,
You say Russia is doing this in defense, but these acts of evil are based on orders given from the top.

It’s hard enough to conceive of defense as “invaliding and bombing my neighbor” but it’s impossible to say something like “defending the Russian speakers in Ukraine” as Russia murders them en-masse.

The SMO is a defensive action to hold back the threat of NATO, an organization which has proven itself to be volatile, unfriendly and untrustworthy.

Defensive Action Checklist

Deny a nearby country of its right to self determination? Check
Invade said nation because it decided it was better off without you? Check
Proceed to engage in mass rapes/killings of the civilian population? Check

Hell of a defensive action!

[The Grand Collective]

You misunderstood me. My argument was more like "ready to play - be ready to lose".
I don't usually call the Russian nation a victim, especially in 1905 and 1918.

Lmao this is beyond parody.

What's the matter?

[The Holy Therns]

Well,
You say Russia is doing this in defense, but these acts of evil are based on orders given from the top.

It’s hard enough to conceive of defense as “invaliding and bombing my neighbor” but it’s impossible to say something like “defending the Russian speakers in Ukraine” as Russia murders them en-masse.

The SMO is a defensive action to hold back the threat of NATO, an organization which has proven itself to be volatile, unfriendly and untrustworthy.

Going to another nation and shooting people is not a defensive action.

[Eastern Kansas]

Lmao this is beyond parody.

What's the matter?

A survival of the fittest opinion that would even make the Nazis blush, no wonder the Soviets and Nazis almost allied together... Oh wait they pretty much did.

[The Grand Collective]

What's the matter?

A survival of the fittest opinion that would even make the Nazis blush, no wonder the Soviets and Nazis almost allied together... Oh wait they pretty much did.

The Poles would break Soviet Russia if they could.

There was no alliance between the USSR and Hitler's Germany, these are natural enemies, brought together by circumstances, among which one can name, among other things, the refusal of the European powers to cooperate with the Bolsheviks against Hitler.

[Picairn]

The famed Zaporizhzhia offensive claimed by the Russians currently doesn't exist. No videos or pictures to confirm, and one village was already under their control before being claimed as "taken". So far it's all baseless claims from the Russian propagandist accounts, and they are worth less than dirt.

[Picairn]

There was no alliance between the USSR and Hitler's Germany, these are natural enemies, brought together by circumstances, among which one can name, among other things, the refusal of the European powers to cooperate with the Bolsheviks against Hitler.

The USSR supplied Nazi Germany extensively until Barbarossa and negotiated its entry into the Axis. Your propaganda doesn't fool anyone.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

That won't be true, no matter how many times you say it

It is completely true.

Russia is defending itself from the unfriendly and offensive organization of NATO. It was a pre-emptive action.

So then attack NATO.

[The Holy Therns]

It is completely true.

Russia is defending itself from the unfriendly and offensive organization of NATO. It was a pre-emptive action.

So then attack NATO.

Too scawy.

[United Russian Federal Republic]

The SMO is a defensive action to hold back the threat of NATO, an organization which has proven itself to be volatile, unfriendly and untrustworthy.

Going to another nation and shooting people is not a defensive action.

Initiating a military operation to defend yourself is a defensive action.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Going to another nation and shooting people is not a defensive action.

Initiating a military operation to defend yourself is a defensive action.

Yes, but Russia was not being threatened, so it's not a defensive action.

[Fifth Jellian Republic]

Going to another nation and shooting people is not a defensive action.

Initiating a military operation to defend yourself is a defensive action.

It’s not defense because Russia was under no threat.
Russia is the threat.

It’s very ironic to say otherwise.

[United Russian Federal Republic]

Initiating a military operation to defend yourself is a defensive action.

Yes, but Russia was not being threatened, so it's not a defensive action.

Russia would have been threatened by NATO even more than it was already, if Ukraine had joined, so this makes the SMO a defensive action.

Self-defence “for the win”!

[Neu California]

Very interesting how a defensive action involves invading a neighboring country...

[Raskana]

Very interesting how a defensive action involves invading a neighboring country...

Its like punching a random person on the street because "They look funny".....

[United Russian Federal Republic]

Very interesting how a defensive action involves invading a neighboring country...

The geopolitical state of the world is always an interesting topic, as stated by Jaden Smith.

Besides, I was sidetracked. My main point should have been that the “invasion” is an action of self-defence. Everyone knows it, but in the west, people are scared of saying it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yes, but Russia was not being threatened, so it's not a defensive action.

Russia would have been threatened by NATO even more than it was already, if Ukraine had joined, so this makes the SMO a defensive action.

Self-defence “for the win”!

Again, before Russia invaded Ukarine NATO was falling apart and it was becoming a very mainstream idea in American politics that NATO should be disbanded entirely.

Your propaganda falls apart with even just the smallest amount of knowledge about the world outside of Russia.

[United Russian Federal Republic]

Russia would have been threatened by NATO even more than it was already, if Ukraine had joined, so this makes the SMO a defensive action.

Self-defence “for the win”!

Again, before Russia invaded Ukarine NATO was falling apart and it was becoming a very mainstream idea in American politics that NATO should be disbanded entirely.

Your propaganda falls apart with even just the smallest amount of knowledge about the world outside of Russia.

NATO was a Wolf, hiding in sheep’s clothing.

But Russia is a bear (a bear that suffers from “poor strategic planning”).

[Washington Resistance Army]

Again, before Russia invaded Ukarine NATO was falling apart and it was becoming a very mainstream idea in American politics that NATO should be disbanded entirely.

Your propaganda falls apart with even just the smallest amount of knowledge about the world outside of Russia.

NATO was a Wolf, hiding in sheep’s clothing.

But Russia is a bear (a bear that suffers from “poor strategic planning”).

You can make all the silly allegories you want but it doesn't change anything. NATO was on the way out, it was seen as an archaic and unneeded thing by many people, Russia alone changed that perception and Russia alone ensured NATO will continue to be a thing for many more decades to come.

[Raskana]

I think the people defending this war do not even live in Russia, so it's ironic they would defend Putin's regime.

[The Grand Collective]

There was no alliance between the USSR and Hitler's Germany, these are natural enemies, brought together by circumstances, among which one can name, among other things, the refusal of the European powers to cooperate with the Bolsheviks against Hitler.

The USSR supplied Nazi Germany extensively until Barbarossa and negotiated its entry into the Axis. Your propaganda doesn't fool anyone.

There were no failed negotiations between the USSR and the West between 1935 and 1939.

[The Holy Therns]

Yes, but Russia was not being threatened, so it's not a defensive action.

Russia would have been threatened by NATO even more than it was already, if Ukraine had joined, so this makes the SMO a defensive action.

Self-defence “for the win”!

How would it have threatened Russia unless Russia intended to take Ukraine?

[United Russian Federal Republic]

NATO was a Wolf, hiding in sheep’s clothing.

But Russia is a bear (a bear that suffers from “poor strategic planning”).

You can make all the silly allegories you want but it doesn't change anything. NATO was on the way out, it was seen as an archaic and unneeded thing by many people, Russia alone changed that perception and Russia alone ensured NATO will continue to be a thing for many more decades to come.

Ukraine was Pinocchio.

NATO was Geppetto.