The Ukrainian War IV: "And von Moltke Laughed ..."

[Fifth Jellian Republic]

Except the US Army absolutely is scum when it does scummy things, dont get so wrapped up in nationalism to the point that you cant condemn war criminals.

But I do condemn war criminals and have done so many times.

Do you recognize the butcha massacre or the deliberate shelling of civilians?
The looting or the torture?

[The Grand Collective]

Why would they waste missiles on residential buildings?

To attempt to terrorize the populace into submission. Duh.

By sending a couple of rockets a day?
They approached large Ukrainian cities several times, could not fire at them from rocket artillery, for example?

Besides, it's smearing yourself with mud.

[Eastern Kansas]

Very good, so now lets follow this train of logic.

Attacking civilians in this manner has been shown to be an essential part of the Russian war strategy. The war in of itself is a war against the Ukrainian civilian. Do you then, seeing as you condemn the senseless killing of civilians, condemn this war?

I condemn civilian killings.

The SMO, I do not. I commend the SMO.

You fail to recognize them as one in the same, the smo is a war and it is a war in which the aggressor has utilized the tactics of targeting civilians to cause terror as a central part of its overall strategy. The smo is a war against the Ukrainian civilian. Condemn it, coward.

[Picairn]

I am completely sure that this is a fail ether of Russian missilemen, or Ukrainian air defense, which war propaganda is trying to pass off as a brutal crime.

Stop lying, an intercepted missile can not fly down in a straight dive at an angle like what happened in videos.

[The Grand Collective]

I am completely sure that this is a fail ether of Russian missilemen, or Ukrainian air defense, which war propaganda is trying to pass off as a brutal crime.

Stop lying, an intercepted missile can not fly down in a straight dive at an angle like what happened in videos.

That is, the Russian Federation, for fun, launched a rocket into a random apartment building in order to be busy coming up with excuses later?

[Continental Free States]

The Russian military has, going at least as far back as the beginning of their intervention in Syria, shown it prefers killing civilians over enemy combatants wherever possible. I'm not sure why the country that started a war with the explicit purpose of genocidal colonialism would consider killing civilians a 'waste'. As far as they're concerned, the bullets that are used on the assholes that shoot back are the ones being wasted seeing as they could have been used to kill the civilians.

Why waste missiles? To once again denigrate yourself?

I am completely sure that this is a fail ether of Russian missilemen, or Ukrainian air defense, which war propaganda is trying to pass off as a brutal crime.

It's not a waste when your entire goal is to butcher civilians and you're engaging the people who know how to shoot back only when they're in the way of the civilians you're seeking to butcher, it's the military apparatus working as intended.

[Grenartia]

Yes, how dare anyone want to avoid imperialist tyranny from Moscow. All non-Russians should gladly lick the dogshit from the boots of Ivan Conscriptovich.



They're not. Also, whataboutism.



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The owner of the glorious superiority is not the Russian nation, but the USSR

There is no glory in tyranny. Also, the USSR was basically just the Russian Empire with a more effective PR campaign. Same imperialism and subjugation of ethnic minorities, just with the pretense of progress.

The Middle East does not exist.

A gallon of milk costs $20 in Beijing, as long as we're spouting incorrect and irrelevant factoids.

And where is the whataboutism?

Bringing up "polish pans" (whatever the fuck that means) in Lithuania, Belarus, and Ukraine.

Is this some kind of universal response to accusations of double standards?

No, its the universal response to whenever Russia and its propaganda machine tries to deflect from any legitimate criticism by pointing at someone else and shouting about some actual or perceived wrongdoing they've done, as if their guilt absolves Russia of its guilt. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Weren't you talking about the Polish-Bolshevik war that started outside Polish core?

I was talking about the Polish-Soviet War that was started by Lenin trying to do an imperialism against the newly-independent Poland.

[Eastern Kansas]

Stop lying, an intercepted missile can not fly down in a straight dive at an angle like what happened in videos.

That is, the Russian Federation, for fun, launched a rocket into a random apartment building in order to be busy coming up with excuses later?

You are the one coming up with the excuses, the Russian federation seems very comfortable with its strategy of terror against civilians. You create these wild theories and fantasies in your brain so you can somehow justify yourself supporting the side that is mass murdering civilians. Its just sad really and it makes you an absolute coward.

[Picairn]

That is, the Russian Federation, for fun, launched a rocket into a random apartment building in order to be busy coming up with excuses later?

Are you having fun making fantasies over there?

[Washington Resistance Army]

The Russian military has, going at least as far back as the beginning of their intervention in Syria, shown it prefers killing civilians over enemy combatants wherever possible. I'm not sure why the country that started a war with the explicit purpose of genocidal colonialism would consider killing civilians a 'waste'. As far as they're concerned, the bullets that are used on the assholes that shoot back are the ones being wasted seeing as they could have been used to kill the civilians.

Why waste missiles?

It's called terror bombing. Some variation of the strategy has existed for 5,000 years.

[Picairn]

2. Poles in the 20th century are not victims, but unsuccessful players

"Might makes right" is not an argument you want to play as a Russian propagandist, my guy, since Russia lost pretty big to multiple countries a lot of times throughout history.

[Washington Resistance Army]

2. Poles in the 20th century are not victims, but unsuccessful players

"Might makes right" is not an argument you want to play as a Russian propagandist, my guy, since Russia lost pretty big to multiple countries a lot of times throughout history.

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[The Grand Collective]

There is no glory in tyranny. Also, the USSR was basically just the Russian Empire with a more effective PR campaign.

It is pardonable for a revolution to have a dictatorship.
And what is the similarity between the USSR and the RE, except for the territory? The economic system is different, the social structure is different.

Same imperialism and subjugation of ethnic minorities

Are minorities more important than humanity?

A gallon of milk costs $20 in Beijing, as long as we're spouting incorrect and irrelevant factoids.

What is irrelevant? Russia and other countries exist in one world.
You are clearly overusing this objection.

Bringing up "polish pans" (whatever the fuck that means) in Lithuania, Belarus, and Ukraine.

So if Poland is innocent, why did the war take place on the territory of the former Commonwealth, and not on the Polish national territories?

No, its the universal response to whenever Russia and its propaganda machine tries to deflect from any legitimate criticism by pointing at someone else and shouting about some actual or perceived wrongdoing they've done, as if their guilt absolves Russia of its guilt. Two wrongs do not make a right.

I do not understand why one must to be a saint in the world of bad people, for example.

[The Grand Collective]

That is, the Russian Federation, for fun, launched a rocket into a random apartment building in order to be busy coming up with excuses later?

You are the one coming up with the excuses, the Russian federation seems very comfortable with its strategy of terror against civilians. You create these wild theories and fantasies in your brain so you can somehow justify yourself supporting the side that is mass murdering civilians. Its just sad really and it makes you an absolute coward.

If Russia is engaged in terror against everyone, then why is terror so jelly?
The Russian army is not far from Zaporozhye, where are the terroristic shellings?

[The Grand Collective]

2. Poles in the 20th century are not victims, but unsuccessful players

"Might makes right" is not an argument you want to play as a Russian propagandist, my guy, since Russia lost pretty big to multiple countries a lot of times throughout history.

I didn't make that argument. Poland was really active in the 20th century, and eventually lost.

As for previous centuries, why would they give a damn about this feudal nonsense?

[United Russian Federal Republic]

But I do condemn war criminals and have done so many times.

Do you recognize the butcha massacre or the deliberate shelling of civilians?
The looting or the torture?

I’ve already stated many times that I condemn instances of human rights abuses by our forces, the same as I do for Ukrainian forces.

What is hard to understand?

[Eastern Kansas]

You are the one coming up with the excuses, the Russian federation seems very comfortable with its strategy of terror against civilians. You create these wild theories and fantasies in your brain so you can somehow justify yourself supporting the side that is mass murdering civilians. Its just sad really and it makes you an absolute coward.

If Russia is engaged in terror against everyone, then why is terror so jelly?
The Russian army is not far from Zaporozhye, where are the terroristic shellings?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime ... of_Ukraine

Here, have an exhaustive list of Russian terrorism.

Do you condemn it?

[Eastern Kansas]

Do you recognize the butcha massacre or the deliberate shelling of civilians?
The looting or the torture?

I’ve already stated many times that I condemn instances of human rights abuses by our forces, the same as I do for Ukrainian forces.

What is hard to understand?

What is hard to understand is how you can condemn it but support the brutal war in which it is a central strategy of the russian orcs

[Fifth Jellian Republic]

Do you recognize the butcha massacre or the deliberate shelling of civilians?
The looting or the torture?

I’ve already stated many times that I condemn instances of human rights abuses by our forces, the same as I do for Ukrainian forces.

What is hard to understand?

Well,
You say Russia is doing this in defense, but these acts of evil are based on orders given from the top.

It’s hard enough to conceive of defense as “invaliding and bombing my neighbor” but it’s impossible to say something like “defending the Russian speakers in Ukraine” as Russia murders them en-masse.

[The Grand Collective]

If Russia is engaged in terror against everyone, then why is terror so jelly?
The Russian army is not far from Zaporozhye, where are the terroristic shellings?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime ... of_Ukraine

Here, have an exhaustive list of Russian terrorism.

Do you condemn it?

English Wikipedia...
Of course, I will not put my signature on this.

[Eastern Kansas]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime ... of_Ukraine

Here, have an exhaustive list of Russian terrorism.

Do you condemn it?

English Wikipedia...
Of course, I will not put my signature on this.

You are beyond help

[Picairn]

I didn't make that argument. Poland was really active in the 20th century, and eventually lost.

You implied it. Russia suffered a lot of geopolitical and military losses in the 20th century (1905, 1918, 1989, 1991), pretty embarrassing.

[United Russian Federal Republic]

I’ve already stated many times that I condemn instances of human rights abuses by our forces, the same as I do for Ukrainian forces.

What is hard to understand?

Well,
You say Russia is doing this in defense, but these acts of evil are based on orders given from the top.

It’s hard enough to conceive of defense as “invaliding and bombing my neighbor” but it’s impossible to say something like “defending the Russian speakers in Ukraine” as Russia murders them en-masse.

The SMO is a defensive action to hold back the threat of NATO, an organization which has proven itself to be volatile, unfriendly and untrustworthy.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

I bet if we want back through this thread, we could work out the shills' shift pattern.

[The Grand Collective]

I didn't make that argument. Poland was really active in the 20th century, and eventually lost.

You implied it. Russia suffered a lot of geopolitical and military losses in the 20th century (1905, 1918, 1989, 1991), pretty embarrassing.

You misunderstood me. My argument was more like "ready to play - be ready to lose".
I don't usually call the Russian nation a victim, especially in 1905 and 1918.