The Ukrainian War IV: "And von Moltke Laughed ..."

[Eastern Kansas]

Have you polled the Poles, the Latvians, the Lithuanians and the Estonians?

They are biased against us.

An example: saying “the U.S. army is not scum” does not also mean that the person saying it condones the My Lai massacre or Abu Ghraib.

Except the US Army absolutely is scum when it does scummy things, dont get so wrapped up in nationalism to the point that you cant condemn war criminals.

[Grenartia]

Golly fucking gee whillickers I fucking wonder why

Because NATO is the holy hill of holy democracy

Seeing how NATO was the only thing keeping the Soviet Union (and now Russia) from trying to subjugate Western Europe like it subjugated Eastern Europe, yes.

And if only modern Russia had renounced expansionism, corruption, and autocracy, it too, could have become a NATO member. Ultimately, I think that's really what this conflict is about. Russia isn't truly worried about "security guarantees", Russia is just pissed off that NATO wouldn't give it a special pass to ignore the rules every other member needed to abide by to join the club.

[The Grand Collective]

Id say it has done alright as an organization in protecting democratic institutions around the world.

I can go to the nearest city and loudly proclaim our leaders are corrupt, without being arrested.

Seems to work for me.

Moreover, you can change the face from the screen to a prettier one.
So what?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that all Ukrainian presidents have their share of corruption glory
We had three faces, and they had about 5.

[Raskana]

They are biased against us.


An example: saying “the U.S. army is not scum” does not also mean that the person saying it condones the My Lai massacre or Abu Ghraib.

Except the US Army absolutely is scum when it does scummy things, dont get so wrapped up in nationalism to the point that you cant condemn war criminals.

Plus it was on the news as such, as unacceptable war crimes, you wont see that on Russian television.

[Eastern Kansas]

I can go to the nearest city and loudly proclaim our leaders are corrupt, without being arrested.

Seems to work for me.

Speaking of which.
Erdogan is completely up-in-arms, hitler-rant tier over the fact that anti-Turkish protests are going ahead in Sweden... despite his demands that these "terrorists" be shut down.

Its funny to me that he is asking the Swedes to prosecute people for something that isnt illegal in Sweden... Turkey remains the butt end of the alliance.

[Grenartia]

Speaking of which.
Erdogan is completely up-in-arms, hitler-rant tier over the fact that anti-Turkish protests are going ahead in Sweden... despite his demands that these "terrorists" be shut down.

Its funny to me that he is asking the Swedes to prosecute people for something that isnt illegal in Sweden... Turkey remains the butt end of the alliance.

I mean, it used to be based, but under Erdogan its become quite cringe.

[The Grand Collective]

1. Sounds like nationalism, since several Russias have changed in 100 years
2. Poles in the 20th century are not victims, but unsuccessful players

Being declared war on by a hostile foreign power, only to be saved by a miracle

Is it not the Poles who have gone beyond their national territories?

[Grenartia]

Being declared war on by a hostile foreign power, only to be saved by a miracle

Is it not the Poles who have gone beyond their national territories?

It is not the Poles. It is Russia.

[United Russian Federal Republic]

They are biased against us.


An example: saying “the U.S. army is not scum” does not also mean that the person saying it condones the My Lai massacre or Abu Ghraib.

Except the US Army absolutely is scum when it does scummy things, dont get so wrapped up in nationalism to the point that you cant condemn war criminals.

But I do condemn war criminals and have done so many times.

[Grenartia]

Except the US Army absolutely is scum when it does scummy things, dont get so wrapped up in nationalism to the point that you cant condemn war criminals.

But I do condemn war criminals and have done so many times.

Then stop being a hypocrite, and condemn this criminal war.

[The Grand Collective]

Because NATO is the holy hill of holy democracy

Seeing how NATO was the only thing keeping the Soviet Union (and now Russia) from trying to subjugate Western Europe like it subjugated Eastern Europe, yes.

And if only modern Russia had renounced expansionism, corruption, and autocracy, it too, could have become a NATO member. Ultimately, I think that's really what this conflict is about. Russia isn't truly worried about "security guarantees", Russia is just pissed off that NATO wouldn't give it a special pass to ignore the rules every other member needed to abide by to join the club.

"Defending" reaction from the USSR is a sin.

Everyone else is allowed to have these traits for some reason.
Although I partly agree: the Russian Federation was not satisfied with the conditions of being in the western sphere.

[Eastern Kansas]

At the end of the day, when it comes to the supporters of Russia, is to show the war crimes to them 24/7 and make them justify it. Someone voicing support for Russia should be met with replies such as "Oh, so you are ok with the rape of underage girls in the basements of occupied Bucha?" or "Oh so you get all giggly when Russians murder 40 civilians in an apartment block in Dnipro?"

Never let the supporter of Russia forget about the atrocities that their side is committing. If they have any humanity, they might realize their misjudgment.

[The Grand Collective]

Is it not the Poles who have gone beyond their national territories?

It is not the Poles. It is Russia.

What did the Polish pans have in Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine?

[Eastern Kansas]

Except the US Army absolutely is scum when it does scummy things, dont get so wrapped up in nationalism to the point that you cant condemn war criminals.

But I do condemn war criminals and have done so many times.

Russia leveled an apartment block in Dnipro recently, killing 40 civilians. Do you condemn this act?

[The Grand Collective]

But I do condemn war criminals and have done so many times.

Russia leveled an apartment block in Dnipro recently, killing 40 civilians. Do you condemn this act?

Why would they waste missiles on residential buildings?

[Grenartia]

Seeing how NATO was the only thing keeping the Soviet Union (and now Russia) from trying to subjugate Western Europe like it subjugated Eastern Europe, yes.

And if only modern Russia had renounced expansionism, corruption, and autocracy, it too, could have become a NATO member. Ultimately, I think that's really what this conflict is about. Russia isn't truly worried about "security guarantees", Russia is just pissed off that NATO wouldn't give it a special pass to ignore the rules every other member needed to abide by to join the club.

"Defending" reaction from the USSR is a sin.

Yes, how dare anyone want to avoid imperialist tyranny from Moscow. All non-Russians should gladly lick the dogshit from the boots of Ivan Conscriptovich.

Everyone else is allowed to have these traits for some reason.

They're not. Also, whataboutism.

It is not the Poles. It is Russia.

What did the Polish pans have in Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine?

lolwat

[Grenartia]

Russia leveled an apartment block in Dnipro recently, killing 40 civilians. Do you condemn this act?

Why would they waste missiles on residential buildings?

To attempt to terrorize the populace into submission. Duh.

[Eastern Kansas]

Russia leveled an apartment block in Dnipro recently, killing 40 civilians. Do you condemn this act?

Why would they waste missiles on residential buildings?

Are you really about to argue the strike was a false flag? This is fucking hilarious, Russia supporters will do anything to try to shift the blame for the atrocities they support and commit. You are an absolute coward. Do you condemn this act? Do you condemn the rape of women in Bucha?

[Continental Free States]

Russia leveled an apartment block in Dnipro recently, killing 40 civilians. Do you condemn this act?

Why would they waste missiles on residential buildings?

The Russian military has, going at least as far back as the beginning of their intervention in Syria, shown it prefers killing civilians over enemy combatants wherever possible. I'm not sure why the country that started a war with the explicit purpose of genocidal colonialism would consider killing civilians a 'waste'. As far as they're concerned, the bullets that are used on the assholes that shoot back are the ones being wasted seeing as they could have been used to kill the civilians.

[The Grand Collective]

"Defending" reaction from the USSR is a sin.

Yes, how dare anyone want to avoid imperialist tyranny from Moscow. All non-Russians should gladly lick the dogshit from the boots of Ivan Conscriptovich.

Everyone else is allowed to have these traits for some reason.

They're not. Also, whataboutism.

What did the Polish pans have in Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine?

lolwat

The owner of the glorious superiority is not the Russian nation, but the USSR

The Middle East does not exist.
And where is the whataboutism? Is this some kind of universal response to accusations of double standards?

Weren't you talking about the Polish-Bolshevik war that started outside Polish core?

[United Russian Federal Republic]

But I do condemn war criminals and have done so many times.

Russia leveled an apartment block in Dnipro recently, killing 40 civilians. Do you condemn this act?

I condemn it, irrespective of who did it.

[Eastern Kansas]

Russia leveled an apartment block in Dnipro recently, killing 40 civilians. Do you condemn this act?

I condemn it, irrespective of who did it.

Very good, so now lets follow this train of logic.

Attacking civilians in this manner has been shown to be an essential part of the Russian war strategy. The war in of itself is a war against the Ukrainian civilian. Do you then, seeing as you condemn the senseless killing of civilians, condemn this war?

[The Grand Collective]

Why would they waste missiles on residential buildings?

The Russian military has, going at least as far back as the beginning of their intervention in Syria, shown it prefers killing civilians over enemy combatants wherever possible. I'm not sure why the country that started a war with the explicit purpose of genocidal colonialism would consider killing civilians a 'waste'. As far as they're concerned, the bullets that are used on the assholes that shoot back are the ones being wasted seeing as they could have been used to kill the civilians.

Why waste missiles? To once again denigrate yourself?

I am completely sure that this is a fail ether of Russian missilemen, or Ukrainian air defense, which war propaganda is trying to pass off as a brutal crime.

[Eastern Kansas]

The Russian military has, going at least as far back as the beginning of their intervention in Syria, shown it prefers killing civilians over enemy combatants wherever possible. I'm not sure why the country that started a war with the explicit purpose of genocidal colonialism would consider killing civilians a 'waste'. As far as they're concerned, the bullets that are used on the assholes that shoot back are the ones being wasted seeing as they could have been used to kill the civilians.

Why waste missiles? To once again denigrate yourself?

I am completely sure that this is a fail or Russian missilemen, or Ukrainian air defense, which war propaganda is trying to pass off as a brutal crime.

Still trying to pass it off as a false flag or not intentional, I see? Anything to get out of having to justify your war crimes right? Stop being a coward.

But lets go down your logic, say its a stray missile. Is it not true that if Russia had not invaded, that stray missile would have never hit the building? Is it not then still the fault of the Russian war machine in its course of an illegal imperialist war?

[United Russian Federal Republic]

I condemn it, irrespective of who did it.

Very good, so now lets follow this train of logic.

Attacking civilians in this manner has been shown to be an essential part of the Russian war strategy. The war in of itself is a war against the Ukrainian civilian. Do you then, seeing as you condemn the senseless killing of civilians, condemn this war?

I condemn civilian killings.

The SMO, I do not. I commend the SMO.