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Punished UMN
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Postby Punished UMN » Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:08 pm

Trying to take Crimea would be a whole different ballgame, Crimea has huge supermajority support for being part of Russia, not to mention the difficulties of crossing an isthmus under fire.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:28 pm



And remember, a great deal of this was captured rather than destroyed. Ukraine has likely gotten more usable equipment over the course of this offensive than it’s lost. That’s wild.
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Postby El Lazaro » Sun Sep 11, 2022 12:05 am

Perikuresu wrote:Any current map of the frontlines now (other than LiveUAmap, which weirdly doesn't show Izyum in a blue or red shade)

https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1568755318997528577?s=20&t=UDsMUgVNcGsQX5mCDzXEAQ

ISW should have today’s changes mapped tomorrow.

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Postby Picairn » Sun Sep 11, 2022 12:44 am

El Lazaro wrote:
Perikuresu wrote:Any current map of the frontlines now (other than LiveUAmap, which weirdly doesn't show Izyum in a blue or red shade)

https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1568755318997528577?s=20&t=UDsMUgVNcGsQX5mCDzXEAQ

ISW should have today’s changes mapped tomorrow.

Velykyi Burluk has fallen (confirmed by Rybar), latest ISW map reflects this. https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/statu ... Iiwdw&s=19
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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:40 am

At least Ukraine should have enough leverage with Russian prisoners to get their people back who have been taken to Russia.
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Postby The Selkie » Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:45 am

Adamede wrote:
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They won't. For one thing, they have advantages from continuing to sell weapons and equipment to Russia (namely, they earn money and can test their toys in combat without risking their own hides), for the other, they have no advantages from not selling weapons and equipment to Russia (NK will continue to be an international pariah state and Iran will still be sanctioned and not allowed to have anything with 'nuclear' in its name).
The longer the war goes, the more they can sell, too.

It’s a joke about how Russians say that the west needs to force Ukraine to surrender to stop the killing.


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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:50 am

Lower Nubia wrote:Has Russia even attempted to dislodge Ukraine yet from it’s current gains?

As I mentioned yesterday, the Russians tried to bring reinforcements in to stem the advance, the convoys got annihilated by Ukrainian ambushes.
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Postby Lower Nubia » Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:10 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:Has Russia even attempted to dislodge Ukraine yet from it’s current gains?

As I mentioned yesterday, the Russians tried to bring reinforcements in to stem the advance, the convoys got annihilated by Ukrainian ambushes.


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Postby Perikuresu » Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:42 am

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Postby New Baltenstein » Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:44 am

Picairn wrote:

Velykyi Burluk has fallen (confirmed by Rybar), latest ISW map reflects this. https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/statu ... Iiwdw&s=19


If I'm not mistaken, that town was the seat of the local Russian occupation administration for the Kharkiv oblast which was hastily evacuated to the Russian city of Belgorod like 2 days ago.
Wise decision, by the looks of it.
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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:50 am

Ukraine should troll Russia by going ahead with a referendum in recaptured areas.
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Postby Perikuresu » Sun Sep 11, 2022 4:45 am

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Postby Gravlen » Sun Sep 11, 2022 6:31 am

Some say Russia now have surpassed the west and become the primary source of arms and ammunition for Ukraine

:p
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Postby New Baltenstein » Sun Sep 11, 2022 6:33 am

Gravlen wrote:Some say Russia now has surpassed the west and become the primary source of arms and ammunition for Ukraine

:p


President Putin has declared that Russian arm deliveries to Ukraine constitute an "unfriendly action" and that there will be severe repercussions if Russia doesn't stop providing Ukraine with new weapons.

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The Oskol River is almost next to the eastern border of the Kharkiv oblast.
Effectiely, they've given up on all of Kharkiv.
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Postby Azania- » Sun Sep 11, 2022 6:36 am

Gravlen wrote:Some say Russia now have surpassed the west and become the primary source of arms and ammunition for Ukraine

:p

First NATO Salesman of the Year, now the largest supplier of arms to Ukraine. Honestly, Putin should be getting some kind of medal.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Sep 11, 2022 6:39 am

Azania- wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Some say Russia now have surpassed the west and become the primary source of arms and ammunition for Ukraine

:p

First NATO Salesman of the Year, now the largest supplier of arms to Ukraine. Honestly, Putin should be getting some kind of medal.

Meanwhile on Chinese social media:
"93rd mechanised infantry brigade is now 93rd armoured brigade"
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Postby Perikuresu » Sun Sep 11, 2022 6:43 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Meanwhile on Chinese social media:
"93rd mechanised infantry brigade is now 93rd armoured brigade"
<.<

"Zhukov looks at situation and dies of cringe" is gold
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Postby Azania- » Sun Sep 11, 2022 6:44 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Azania- wrote:First NATO Salesman of the Year, now the largest supplier of arms to Ukraine. Honestly, Putin should be getting some kind of medal.

Meanwhile on Chinese social media:
"93rd mechanised infantry brigade is now 93rd armoured brigade"
<.<


"Yall calling Ukrainians Nazis, now they have Guderian on their side"

Lmao, these guys have zero chill.
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Postby Picairn » Sun Sep 11, 2022 7:45 am

Latest map from Rybar.

Even the northern Kharkiv front is not going well. Russian troops have begun to withdraw from the Udy - Kozacha Lopan area, and it seems the Ukrainians are advancing close to Vovchansk. In the east, Ukraine has reached the Khotimlya - Velykyi Burluk line.
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Postby Perikuresu » Sun Sep 11, 2022 7:50 am

Picairn wrote:Latest map from Rybar.

Even the northern Kharkiv front is not going well. Russian troops have begun to withdraw from the Udy - Kozacha Lopan area, and it seems the Ukrainians are advancing close to Vovchansk. In the east, Ukraine has reached the Khotimlya - Velykyi Burluk line.

I'm not sure why Rybar seems to put Izyum in blue/red shading, does it mean contested regions?
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Postby Picairn » Sun Sep 11, 2022 7:54 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Meanwhile on Chinese social media:
"93rd mechanised infantry brigade is now 93rd armoured brigade"
<.<

I live for the golden historical jokes and references like Guderian, Zhukov, and Kutuzov kek.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Sep 11, 2022 7:55 am

Picairn wrote:Latest map from Rybar.

Even the northern Kharkiv front is not going well. Russian troops have begun to withdraw from the Udy - Kozacha Lopan area, and it seems the Ukrainians are advancing close to Vovchansk. In the east, Ukraine has reached the Khotimlya - Velykyi Burluk line.

Fucking go on Ukraine son!
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Postby Picairn » Sun Sep 11, 2022 7:56 am

Perikuresu wrote:I'm not sure why Rybar seems to put Izyum in blue/red shading, does it mean contested regions?

Probably the blue/red shading indicates abandoned Russian-occupied territory to the Ukrainian advance.
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Postby Perikuresu » Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:01 am

Picairn wrote:
Perikuresu wrote:I'm not sure why Rybar seems to put Izyum in blue/red shading, does it mean contested regions?

Probably the blue/red shading indicates abandoned Russian-occupied territory to the Ukrainian advance.

Oh, so that explains the blank space in the thin Kharkiv strip and Izyum in the LiveUAMap
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Postby Picairn » Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:04 am


As far as I can see, there are basically no major town or city east of the Oskil river all the way to Kharkiv Oblast border, it's only vast flatlands and scattered settlements. If the river is breached then the entirety of Kharkiv Oblast will be lost.
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