The Ukrainian War IV: "And von Moltke Laughed ..."

[United Russian Federal Republic]

It is completely true.

Russia is defending itself from the unfriendly and offensive organization of NATO. It was a pre-emptive action.

If this is a pre emotive action then why doesn't the US pre emptivly nuke russia

Because that would destroy humanity.

seriously why do people even give a fuck if someone has a different opinion as you

They “hate us because they ain’t us”.

seriously why do people even give a fuck if someone has a different opinion as you

because being ok with crimes against humanity and crimes against peace is not a different "opinion".
It's being the lowest of all low criminal thugs, complete in its moral bankruptcy.

Nobody has stated this a single time.

I’ve always condemned any violations.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I’ve always condemned any violations.

Considering that you think invading somebody and doing a little crimes against peace is "self-defence"... that's a Lie.
I wonder how your christian soul is doing after doing all this shitty lying to your fellows...

[The Grand Collective]

I’ve always condemned any violations.

Considering that you think invading somebody and doing a little crimes against peace is "self-defence"... that's a Lie.
I wonder how your christian soul is doing after doing all this shitty lying to your fellows...

If Ukrainians are so peaceful, then why did they reject the Minsk agreements?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Considering that you think invading somebody and doing a little crimes against peace is "self-defence"... that's a Lie.
I wonder how your christian soul is doing after doing all this shitty lying to your fellows...

If Ukrainians are so peaceful, then why did they reject the Minsk agreements?

Operation Barbarossa was self-defence
Yes/No

[United Russian Federal Republic]

I’ve always condemned any violations.

Considering that you think invading somebody and doing a little crimes against peace is "self-defence"... that's a Lie.
I wonder how your christian soul is doing after doing all this shitty lying to your fellows...

It’s not a lie. I’ve always opposed war crimes.

You declaring the SMO a crime is just an easy route you take to avoid being forced to quarrel with opponents.

If Ukrainians are so peaceful, then why did they reject the Minsk agreements?

Operation Barbarossa was self-defence
Yes/No

You can’t escape everything by making a comparison to Nazism.

[The Grand Collective]

If Ukrainians are so peaceful, then why did they reject the Minsk agreements?

Operation Barbarossa was self-defence
Yes/No

The USSR did not commit hostile actions against the Reich in 1940-41, did they?
BTW, and the comparison is incorrect, since the USSR and the Reich are ardent enemies, and the Russian Federation and Ukraine are ordinary peripheral countries.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Considering that you think invading somebody and doing a little crimes against peace is "self-defence"... that's a Lie.
I wonder how your christian soul is doing after doing all this shitty lying to your fellows...

It’s not a lie. I’ve always opposed war crimes.

You declaring the SMO a crime is just an easy route you take to avoid being forced to quarrel with opponents.

Even if you support the SMO it is still a crime. International law doesn't give you exemptions just because you claim it's self-defense.

[United Russian Federal Republic]

It’s not a lie. I’ve always opposed war crimes.

You declaring the SMO a crime is just an easy route you take to avoid being forced to quarrel with opponents.

Even if you support the SMO it is still a crime. International law doesn't give you exemptions just because you claim it's self-defense.

That international (in particular) law must be disregarded in the name of self-defence.

Others must be respected.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Even if you support the SMO it is still a crime. International law doesn't give you exemptions just because you claim it's self-defense.

That international (in particular) law must be disregarded in the name of self-defence.

Others must be respected.

Friend, please just stop lol. Just be honest with yourself, you don't care about international law.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Even if you support the SMO it is still a crime. International law doesn't give you exemptions just because you claim it's self-defense.

That international (in particular) law must be disregarded in the name of self-defence.

Others must be respected.

that nonsense didn't help wilhelm keitel

[United Russian Federal Republic]

That international (in particular) law must be disregarded in the name of self-defence.

Others must be respected.

Friend, please just stop lol. Just be honest with yourself, you don't care about international law.

I care about international laws that prevent the killing of civilians, and similar laws. That is why I always condemn crimes.

But I do not care about the “crime against peace”, because the SMO is a necessary event.

[Washington-Columbia]

Friend, please just stop lol. Just be honest with yourself, you don't care about international law.

I care about international laws that prevent the killing of civilians, and similar laws. That is why I always condemn crimes.

But I do not care about the “crime against peace”, because the SMO is a necessary event.

Do you have any actual sources other than Russian state-media about mass murder by Ukrainians in Donbass?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Friend, please just stop lol. Just be honest with yourself, you don't care about international law.

I care about international laws that prevent the killing of civilians, and similar laws. That is why I always condemn crimes.

But I do not care about the “crime against peace”, because the SMO is a necessary event.

Under this logic, NATO aggression towards Russia isn't a bad thing. After all, it's a necessary event :^)

[The Grand Collective]

I care about international laws that prevent the killing of civilians, and similar laws. That is why I always condemn crimes.

But I do not care about the “crime against peace”, because the SMO is a necessary event.

Under this logic, NATO aggression towards Russia isn't a bad thing. After all, it's a necessary event :^)

Perhaps, but for what purpose is it done?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I care about international laws that prevent the killing of civilians, and similar laws. That is why I always condemn crimes.

But I do not care about the “crime against peace”, because the SMO is a necessary event.

Under this logic, NATO aggression towards Russia isn't a bad thing. After all, it's a necessary event :^)

yeah when do we get our very own 500 km deep "buffer zone" around Narva?

Under this logic, NATO aggression towards Russia isn't a bad thing. After all, it's a necessary event :^)

Perhaps, but for what purpose is it done?

Keeping Estonia outside Iskander range.
Making the Baltic Fleet unable to blitz Tallinn or Poland.
Preventing a Russian encroachment on Gotland.
And much more.

[Grenartia]

Friend, please just stop lol. Just be honest with yourself, you don't care about international law.

I care about international laws that prevent the killing of civilians, and similar laws. That is why I always condemn crimes.

But I do not care about the “crime against peace”, because the SMO is a necessary event.

No, its not, because NATO isn't a threat to a non-aggressive Russia. Don't start shit, won't be shit.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Under this logic, NATO aggression towards Russia isn't a bad thing. After all, it's a necessary event :^)

Perhaps, but for what purpose is it done?

To contain Russian aggression and save lives of course. It'd be the first decent thing we've done forpol wise this millennium.

[-Astoria-]

Even if you support the SMO it is still a crime. International law doesn't give you exemptions just because you claim it's self-defense.

That international (in particular) law must be disregarded in the name of self-defence.

Others must be respected.

"Self-defence" by... offensive actions against another state?

I'm afraid it doesn't follow.

[United Russian Federal Republic]

I care about international laws that prevent the killing of civilians, and similar laws. That is why I always condemn crimes.

But I do not care about the “crime against peace”, because the SMO is a necessary event.

Do you have any actual sources other than Russian state-media about mass murder by Ukrainians in Donbass?

No part of that has a singular thing to do with this discussion.

I care about international laws that prevent the killing of civilians, and similar laws. That is why I always condemn crimes.

But I do not care about the “crime against peace”, because the SMO is a necessary event.

Under this logic, NATO aggression towards Russia isn't a bad thing. After all, it's a necessary event :^)

It was not necessary, as Russia was not a threat to NATO.

[The Grand Collective]

Keeping Estonia outside Iskander range.
Making the Baltic Fleet unable to blitz Tallinn or Poland.
Preventing a Russian encroachment on Gotland.
And much more.

It might make sense if
1. Russia was not many times weaker
2. The Baltics were not a periphery

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

It was not necessary, as Russia was not a threat to NATO.

Have you polled the Poles, the Latvians, the Lithuanians and the Estonians?

[Washington Resistance Army]

It was not necessary, as Russia was not a threat to NATO.

And yet of these two parties, only Russia started a major land war in Europe.

Curious.

[Grenartia]

Do you have any actual sources other than Russian state-media about mass murder by Ukrainians in Donbass?

No part of that has a singular thing to do with this discussion.

Under this logic, NATO aggression towards Russia isn't a bad thing. After all, it's a necessary event :^)

It was not necessary, as Russia was not a threat to NATO.

But Russia clearly is a threat to everyone not in NATO (as this invasion proves). Therefore, it is entirely justifiable for every state subject to threat from Moscow to join NATO. Therefore, Ukraine is blameless.

[The Grand Collective]

It was not necessary, as Russia was not a threat to NATO.

Have you polled the Poles, the Latvians, the Lithuanians and the Estonians?

We know better than these victims of nationalist propaganda

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Have you polled the Poles, the Latvians, the Lithuanians and the Estonians?

We know better than these victims of nationalist propaganda

Or... or... or... or... or...
Raping other nations for the past hundred years does not make you likable with the victims...