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Necroghastia
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Postby Necroghastia » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:36 pm

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Yes, yes, we get it, you think slaughtering defenseless civilians, destroying schools and hospitals, and kidnapping children is morally fine. You've repeated yourself I don't know how much.

Do not get ahead of yourself. I have consistently opposed war crimes.

You literally just said you supported the "SMO," which these things are part and parcel of; and stan the neo nazi scumbag war criminals the Wagner Group.

If you're going to lie about something, do it well or don't do it at all. I hate bad liars more than liars in general.
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Postby Glagoly » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:36 pm

Glagoly wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:I am "joking around" with you.

I support the SMO and Russian self-defense, which is morally correct.

I offer a condition. In 8 months, I sign up as a volunteer and go to the front. And you, in turn, also go as a volunteer, you can even go to Wagner. Then I was at AZOV. If we are in the same direction, we will try to kill each other. Such a gentleman's duel.

If not, then at least all your words will not be empty. This is how you will prove to everyone that you really think so and are ready to fight for your country on foreign land.

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Postby Andsed » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:38 pm

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Fahran wrote:Perhaps. I think you would be better served simply shooting from the hip. You largely support the Russian invasion. It's just not a very morally... elevated decision or position.

I am "joking around" with you.

I support the SMO and Russian self-defense, which is morally correct.

Genuinely so funny you keep insisting on calling the conflict that has lasted nearly a year, killed hundreds of thousands, and forced Russia to mobilize around 300k with another bigger wave of mobilization likely coming a "special military operation." Just call it a war dude thats what it is.
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Postby Denoidumbutoniurucwivobrs » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:51 pm

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:
Fahran wrote:Perhaps. I think you would be better served simply shooting from the hip. You largely support the Russian invasion. It's just not a very morally... elevated decision or position.

I am "joking around" with you.

I support the SMO and Russian self-defense, which is morally correct.

"Russian self-defense"

...Hate to break it to you, but the situation is vice-versa. Russia entered Ukrainian territory and started the conflict, not Ukraine entering Russian territory.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:54 pm

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:
Fahran wrote:Perhaps. I think you would be better served simply shooting from the hip. You largely support the Russian invasion. It's just not a very morally... elevated decision or position.

I am "joking around" with you.

I support the SMO and Russian self-defense, which is morally correct.


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Postby Utquiagvik » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:59 pm

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 023-01-20/

The situation is deteriorating at Zaporizhzhia NPP. Hopefully the workers there are able to get everything under control.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:19 pm

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:
Fahran wrote:I thought Wagner wasn't affiliated with the Russian State? :p

I have said too much :rofl:

Tarsonis wrote:
theres a map though not a single news source is reporting engagements or troop movements. Too early to be sure, but this is likely a farce tied to the internal political strife with Wagner. Wagner takes one settlement, so naturally the Russian Military has to take 8, so as not to be out done by mercenary scum.

Watch your language! Wagner are not scum.


Wagner are scummy scum fascist scumbags.

Regardless, I was iterating the Kremlin position, not my own. It's why there's division in the ranks and why there's pissing contest between Prigozhin and the High Command over who really won in Soledar, Wagner or the Russian Army. Because as useful as Wagner has been, and how ever Prigozhin thinks he can leverage that for personal gain, the Russian High Command will never let them outshine the Russian Military. Because to them, the military will always be the true noble Russian force, and Wagner will always be mercenary scum.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:34 pm

Utquiagvik wrote:https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/ukraine-says-situation-deteriorating-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-2023-01-20/

The situation is deteriorating at Zaporizhzhia NPP. Hopefully the workers there are able to get everything under control.

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Postby Mountains and Volcanoes » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:36 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:I have said too much :rofl: Watch your language!
Wagner are not scum.
Wagner are scummy scum fascist scumbags.
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Postby Fifth Jellian Republic » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:44 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Utquiagvik wrote:https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/ukraine-says-situation-deteriorating-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-2023-01-20/

The situation is deteriorating at Zaporizhzhia NPP. Hopefully the workers there are able to get everything under control.

Article 5! Article 5! Article 5!


A Chernobyl event will impact Europe and Russia.
It’s not in the Russian interest to do something like that.

Is it?
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:49 pm

Fifth Jellian Republic wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Article 5! Article 5! Article 5!


A Chernobyl event will impact Europe and Russia.
It’s not in the Russian interest to do something like that.

Is it?

I mean it definitely shouldn’t be in their interests as NATO has said that the power plant going boom and nuclear debris spreading into NATO territory will be cause for article 5 being triggered
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:57 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Utquiagvik wrote:https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/ukraine-says-situation-deteriorating-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-2023-01-20/

The situation is deteriorating at Zaporizhzhia NPP. Hopefully the workers there are able to get everything under control.

Article 5! Article 5! Article 5!

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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:00 pm

Northern Seleucia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Article 5! Article 5! Article 5!

Hurry! Get the pizza, it's time to watch cruise missiles impact Russian bases in 8K Ultra HD live!


You know there is a certain distance from the epicenter in which all frozen pizzas will be perfectly cooked
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:02 pm

Very excited for Russia's mercenaries to start turning on their army. It'd be so convenient for Ukraine if Russia were to just defeat themselves.

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Postby Northern Seleucia » Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:08 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:Hurry! Get the pizza, it's time to watch cruise missiles impact Russian bases in 8K Ultra HD live!


You know there is a certain distance from the epicenter in which all frozen pizzas will be perfectly cooked

Even better, I won't have to pay for the pizza, and it's cooked instantly. It's like God intended for this to be as comfortable as possible for me.
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Postby Shamhnan Insir » Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:16 pm

Ifreann wrote:Very excited for Russia's mercenaries to start turning on their army. It'd be so convenient for Ukraine if Russia were to just defeat themselves.

I would speculate that it may even have happened at a small scale already. Wagner is out for war-profiteering, nothing more. That makes them very unreliable allies at best.
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Postby Raskana » Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:19 pm

Shamhnan Insir wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Very excited for Russia's mercenaries to start turning on their army. It'd be so convenient for Ukraine if Russia were to just defeat themselves.

I would speculate that it may even have happened at a small scale already. Wagner is out for war-profiteering, nothing more. That makes them very unreliable allies at best.

This, they will be the first to riot if the money well dries up.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:49 pm

Andsed wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:I am "joking around" with you.

I support the SMO and Russian self-defense, which is morally correct.

Genuinely so funny you keep insisting on calling the conflict that has lasted nearly a year, killed hundreds of thousands, and forced Russia to mobilize around 300k with another bigger wave of mobilization likely coming a "special military operation." Just call it a war dude thats what it is.

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Postby Theodores Tomfooleries » Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:53 pm

Glagoly wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:I am "joking around" with you.

I support the SMO and Russian self-defense, which is morally correct.

I offer a condition. In 8 months, I sign up as a volunteer and go to the front. And you, in turn, also go as a volunteer, you can even go to Wagner. Then I was at AZOV. If we are in the same direction, we will try to kill each other. Such a gentleman's duel.

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Postby Fahran » Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:06 pm

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:I am "joking around" with you.

Fair enough. My sense of humor is a bit dull at the moment.

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:I support the SMO and Russian self-defense, which is morally correct.

The Special Military Operation has led to as many Russian military deaths as both Chechen Wars put together. I'm not certain we can pretend that it isn't a full-blown war in the same way that the Second Persian Gulf War, which wasn't officially declared, was. Heck, Russia has taken more casualties than the US did in its recent conflicts.

I'm not certain you can characterize the conquest of a foreign country as self-defense.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:09 pm

Fahran wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:I am "joking around" with you.

Fair enough. My sense of humor is a bit dull at the moment.

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:I support the SMO and Russian self-defense, which is morally correct.

The Special Military Operation has led to as many Russian military deaths as both Chechen Wars put together. I'm not certain we can pretend that it isn't a full-blown war in the same way that the Second Persian Gulf War, which wasn't officially declared, was. Heck, Russia has taken more casualties than the US did in its recent conflicts.

I'm not certain you can characterize the conquest of a foreign country as self-defense.


Don't you see, if Russia does not conquer Ukraine, NATO might stop Russia from conquering Ukraine! So clearly, it's self-defense.
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Postby Utquiagvik » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:08 pm

Fifth Jellian Republic wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Article 5! Article 5! Article 5!


A Chernobyl event will impact Europe and Russia.
It’s not in the Russian interest to do something like that.

Is it?

Russia May just be stupid enough to hit the plant and cause a meltdown. If that does happen, it would be even worse than Chernobyl was.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:25 pm

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:[*]Lukashenko continues to balance against the Kremlin by framing Belarus as a sovereign state within the Russia-dominated Union State.

Lukashenko, he is a wild man.

[*]Chief of the General Staff Army General Valery Gerasimov reportedly declared that the Wagner Group does not belong in the structure of the Russian Armed Forces.

Gerasimov ought not to throw the help of Wagner back in their faces.

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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:35 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:Lukashenko, he is a wild man.


Gerasimov ought not to throw the help of Wagner back in their faces.

So Russia are Nazis now?


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Postby Aeritai » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:31 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Utquiagvik wrote:https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/ukraine-says-situation-deteriorating-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-2023-01-20/

The situation is deteriorating at Zaporizhzhia NPP. Hopefully the workers there are able to get everything under control.

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