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Postby The Two Jerseys » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:19 am

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Andsed wrote:Did not say. The package has not been officially announced yet so I would imagine the exact Strykers will be clarified then.

I would hope it will be the M1128 Mobile Gun System, which has a 105mm gun, but there are only 142 that have been produced, so I'm not sure if the U.S is willing to give many to Ukraine.

We just retired the M1128 last year because they apparently kind of suck, so there's really no reason not to give them to Ukraine.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:24 am

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Northern Seleucia wrote:I would hope it will be the M1128 Mobile Gun System, which has a 105mm gun, but there are only 142 that have been produced, so I'm not sure if the U.S is willing to give many to Ukraine.

We just retired the M1128 last year because they apparently kind of suck, so there's really no reason not to give them to Ukraine.

Ah, then.
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Postby United Russian Federal Republic » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:27 am

The Dodo Republic wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:“Armchair generals” are almost always wrong.

Would this statement apply only to Ukrainian general staff or are you willing to discuss the wrongs made by the Russian general staff

This applies to everyone, irrespective of Russian or Ukrainian.

I have criticised Russian decision-makers numerous times.

However, the “armchair generals” I mentioned earlier today was in reference to people in this thread who act “high and mighty” in regards to the tactical genius that they think they possess.
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Postby El Lazaro » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:29 am

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The Dodo Republic wrote:Would this statement apply only to Ukrainian general staff or are you willing to discuss the wrongs made by the Russian general staff

This applies to everyone, irrespective of Russian or Ukrainian.

I have criticised Russian decision-makers numerous times.

However, the “armchair generals” I mentioned earlier today was in reference to people in this thread who act “high and mighty” in regards to the tactical genius that they think they possess.

Tbf everyone is a tactical genius compared to Putin

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Postby Northern Seleucia » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:32 am

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United Russian Federal Republic wrote:This applies to everyone, irrespective of Russian or Ukrainian.

I have criticised Russian decision-makers numerous times.

However, the “armchair generals” I mentioned earlier today was in reference to people in this thread who act “high and mighty” in regards to the tactical genius that they think they possess.

Tbf everyone is a tactical genius compared to Putin

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Postby Portzania » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:36 am

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United Russian Federal Republic wrote:This applies to everyone, irrespective of Russian or Ukrainian.

I have criticised Russian decision-makers numerous times.

However, the “armchair generals” I mentioned earlier today was in reference to people in this thread who act “high and mighty” in regards to the tactical genius that they think they possess.

Tbf everyone is a tactical genius compared to Putin

its like the entire hoi4 community put their collective braincells together to make an actual offensive
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Postby The Selkie » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:37 am

Northern Seleucia wrote:
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Indeed. They don't want to look like warmongers, reawakening memories to the Nazis and in the process look unassertive and powerless. This is a self-made situation, which Scholz can't win.
Yet, instead of saying "Fuck the Nazis, I was born in 1958!", we have this situation.

To my understanding, the Turkish Army did a few mistakes in their use.

That's really terrible, but this time they are stopping the Nazis...

Yeah, I heard that too. For one, I saw a video of one tank on a flat plain alone getting picked off by what looked to be a TOW missile, and forever cementing Turkey as the first nation to land a tank turret on the Moon and establishing the Turkish Space Program. That was certainly a mistake.


As said - "Fuck the Nazis!" ; )
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Postby Picairn » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:39 am

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:However, the “armchair generals” I mentioned earlier today was in reference to people in this thread who act “high and mighty” in regards to the tactical genius that they think they possess.

This criticism is really hilarious considering Putin was misled by his generals and "experts" into thinking he could take Ukraine in a couple days. It seems that tunnel-vision brain rot is not limited to the armchair generals community.
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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:43 am

I bet Putin has a really massive armchair.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:44 am

Northern Seleucia wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Tbf everyone is a tactical genius compared to Putin

I launched a better invasion of Ukraine as Russia in Conflict of Nations: World War III...

I launched a better invasion of Ukraine as Russia in EU4, and I had to fight the Ottomans.

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Postby Perikuresu » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:45 am

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:I bet Putin has a really massive armchair.

Well it looks like he really needs it
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:46 am

The Selkie wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:That's really terrible, but this time they are stopping the Nazis...

Yeah, I heard that too. For one, I saw a video of one tank on a flat plain alone getting picked off by what looked to be a TOW missile, and forever cementing Turkey as the first nation to land a tank turret on the Moon and establishing the Turkish Space Program. That was certainly a mistake.


As said - "Fuck the Nazis!" ; )
The Sword of Damocles known as WW2 is still a considerable spectre of German Politics and I firmly believe, that it is time, that we stop using it as an excuse.

The poor sods inside.

I misunderstood it, my apologies.
I agree, it's time to end that excuse.

Indeed, it was nasty. There wasn't a chance on Earth they lived.
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Postby United Russian Federal Republic » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:51 am

Picairn wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:However, the “armchair generals” I mentioned earlier today was in reference to people in this thread who act “high and mighty” in regards to the tactical genius that they think they possess.

This criticism is really hilarious considering Putin was misled by his generals and "experts" into thinking he could take Ukraine in a couple days. It seems that tunnel-vision brain rot is not limited to the armchair generals community.

I believe I have roundly criticized this as well.

I criticize the botch of the SMO. Shoigu must pay.
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Postby Perikuresu » Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:01 am

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:Shoigu must pay.

At the Hague
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Postby United Russian Federal Republic » Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:02 am

Perikuresu wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:Shoigu must pay.

At the Hague

I am tired of this horseplay regarding the Hague.

The only crime Shoigu is guilty of is incompetence.
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Postby Italian States of Russia » Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:02 am

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Italian States of Russia wrote:Let's remember the story! Who killed the Poles?! Ukrainians! Putin does not seek to destroy Ukraine and its inhabitants, we are afraid to fight in the fields. Ukrainians are killing Russian prisoners ... But you will speak for the people! But the Russians , despite everything that the APU does with the residents of Donbass , treat the prisoners well ! Just type Ukraine and fascism into the search engine and you will see it:https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%B8%20%D1%84%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BC&stype=image&lr=2&source=serp and the Russians are fascists now!? I understand fascists everywhere but ... Then why do the military stuff themselves with FASCIST tattoos?


We just going to ignore the fact that Russia literally helped Hitler to invade Poland and kill Poles?

Hitler invaded Poland anyway, I 'll tell you a story in 2013 in Lviv, people recorded a film about fascists, hotels did everything , decided to go to a cafe , grandma came up to them and said oh, our people came , she thought it was fascists ! In 2013 to the Crimea and!

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Postby Utquiagvik » Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:05 am

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:
Perikuresu wrote:At the Hague

I am tired of this horseplay regarding the Hague.

The only crime Shoigu is guilty of is incompetence.

And contributing to war crimes
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Postby -Astoria- » Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:05 am

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:I bet Putin has a really massive armchair.

To go with the equally massive table, I presume?
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:07 am

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:
Perikuresu wrote:At the Hague

I am tired of this horseplay regarding the Hague.

The only crime Shoigu is guilty of is incompetence.

Since Russia won't prosecute their war criminals, they must be prosecuted in the Hague.

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Postby Glagoly » Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:08 am

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:“Armchair generals” are almost always wrong.

That's the only thing you're right about.

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Postby The Selkie » Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:14 am

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:
Perikuresu wrote:At the Hague

I am tired of this horseplay regarding the Hague.

The only crime Shoigu is guilty of is incompetence.


Then Shoigu should not fear a little trip to the Netherlands, should he? If he is only incompetent, he'd walk away. Or are you implying, that he might be responsible for more, directly or indirectly?
Like various war crimes and crimes against humanity?
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Postby Utquiagvik » Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:15 am

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I do not appreciate the comparison of President Putin to Hitler.

Nonetheless, those videos have always been funny!

Putin and Hitler have quite a few similarities to each other.
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Postby Glagoly » Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:16 am

Utquiagvik wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:I do not appreciate the comparison of President Putin to Hitler.

Nonetheless, those videos have always been funny!

Putin and Hitler have quite a few similarities to each other.

A comparison with Stalin would be appropriate here.

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Postby Perikuresu » Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:18 am

The Selkie wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:I am tired of this horseplay regarding the Hague.

The only crime Shoigu is guilty of is incompetence.


Then Shoigu should not fear a little trip to the Netherlands, should he? If he is only incompetent, he'd walk away. Or are you implying, that he might be responsible for more, directly or indirectly?
Like various war crimes and crimes against humanity?

No no no, you're getting shit wrong here, Shoigu's scared of visiting the Netherlands because the tulips are scary and he knows he can't tiptoe through the tulips
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Postby United Russian Federal Republic » Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:23 am

The Selkie wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:I am tired of this horseplay regarding the Hague.

The only crime Shoigu is guilty of is incompetence.


Then Shoigu should not fear a little trip to the Netherlands, should he? If he is only incompetent, he'd walk away. Or are you implying, that he might be responsible for more, directly or indirectly?
Like various war crimes and crimes against humanity?

The hapless Shoigu would probably be kidnapped by the authorities on trumped-up charges.

I would not miss him. But I would object to the show trial.
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