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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:05 am

Northern Seleucia wrote:Sweden will be sending...:
  • Archer Artillery System
  • 50 Combat Vehicle 90 IFVs
  • NLAW anti-tank missiles

...to Ukraine.

uncharacteristically im pretty unhappy about sending the Archers... mostly because we're sending them by gutting the single artillery "regiment" we have... the artillery "regiment" that only has 12 Archers...

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Postby The Holy Therns » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:08 am

Northern Seleucia wrote:Sweden will be sending...:
  • Archer Artillery System
  • 50 Combat Vehicle 90 IFVs
  • NLAW anti-tank missiles

...to Ukraine.


Not like we were using them for anything important. Might as well.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:09 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:Sweden will be sending...:
  • Archer Artillery System
  • 50 Combat Vehicle 90 IFVs
  • NLAW anti-tank missiles

...to Ukraine.


Not like we were using them for anything important. Might as well.

id rather the Swedish Army not be the British Army... who are building "Deep Reconnaissance Strike Brigade Combat Teams" with 0 artillery.

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Postby United Russian Federal Republic » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:13 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
Not like we were using them for anything important. Might as well.

id rather the Swedish Army not be the British Army... who are building "Deep Reconnaissance Strike Brigade Combat Teams" with 0 artillery.

Possibly the experts know more than you do?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:14 am

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:id rather the Swedish Army not be the British Army... who are building "Deep Reconnaissance Strike Brigade Combat Teams" with 0 artillery.

Possibly the experts know more than you do?

yeah how about the guy imitating Somme 1916 not open his mouth on this matter.

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Postby Picairn » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:17 am

I do hope the supplier nations actually come up with a prudent plan to replenish those transferred equipment, else Europe's parade armies are going to become paper armies.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:19 am

The British could send the Ajax to Ukraine. Maybe the Ukrainians can use them as part of a sabotage campaign, let them purposefully get captured by the Russians who then accidentally kill themselves or lose their hearing trying to drive the fucking things because of how much of a mess they are.
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Postby United Russian Federal Republic » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:26 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:Possibly the experts know more than you do?

yeah how about the guy imitating Somme 1916 not open his mouth on this matter.

That is a terrible thing to say.

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Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:28 am

Picairn wrote:I do hope the supplier nations actually come up with a prudent plan to replenish those transferred equipment, else Europe's parade armies are going to become paper armies.

This could be a good time to do some political consolidating and get that European Union Army going! :) They're giving a bunch of stuff away anyways so standardise the replacements.

Yeah, I know that's not going to happen. Let me have my hopeful dreams.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:39 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
Not like we were using them for anything important. Might as well.

id rather the Swedish Army not be the British Army... who are building "Deep Reconnaissance Strike Brigade Combat Teams" with 0 artillery.

"Deep"
"Strike"
"BCT"
tfw no arty
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:Possibly the experts know more than you do?

yeah how about the guy imitating Somme 1916 not open his mouth on this matter.

I thought Passchendaele, but Somme works.
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:Sweden will be sending...:
  • Archer Artillery System
  • 50 Combat Vehicle 90 IFVs
  • NLAW anti-tank missiles

...to Ukraine.

uncharacteristically im pretty unhappy about sending the Archers... mostly because we're sending them by gutting the single artillery "regiment" we have... the artillery "regiment" that only has 12 Archers...

That's it? That's not good.
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Postby United Russian Federal Republic » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:43 am

“Armchair generals” are almost always wrong.
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Postby Upper Lancashire » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:49 am

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Postby The Selkie » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:51 am

Northern Seleucia wrote:Sweden will be sending...:
  • Archer Artillery System
  • 50 Combat Vehicle 90 IFVs
  • NLAW anti-tank missiles

...to Ukraine.


While the problem with the Archer has been pointed out by ABH and THT, I am positve, that this will be a good thing for the Ukraine. Besides, Sweden can always replace them.
In the meantime, there is no current news about Germany's aid contribution.

Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:
Picairn wrote:I do hope the supplier nations actually come up with a prudent plan to replenish those transferred equipment, else Europe's parade armies are going to become paper armies.

This could be a good time to do some political consolidating and get that European Union Army going! :) They're giving a bunch of stuff away anyways so standardise the replacements.

Yeah, I know that's not going to happen. Let me have my hopeful dreams.


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Postby Northern Seleucia » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:55 am

The Selkie wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:Sweden will be sending...:
  • Archer Artillery System
  • 50 Combat Vehicle 90 IFVs
  • NLAW anti-tank missiles

...to Ukraine.


While the problem with the Archer has been pointed out by ABH and THT, I am positve, that this will be a good thing for the Ukraine. Besides, Sweden can always replace them.
In the meantime, there is no current news about Germany's aid contribution.

From all I hear about Germany, it's "America do it first, then Germany."

Are they afraid of the Leopard 2 looking bad?
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Postby The Selkie » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:58 am

Northern Seleucia wrote:
The Selkie wrote:
While the problem with the Archer has been pointed out by ABH and THT, I am positve, that this will be a good thing for the Ukraine. Besides, Sweden can always replace them.
In the meantime, there is no current news about Germany's aid contribution.

From all I hear about Germany, it's "America do it first, then Germany."

Are they afraid of the Leopard 2 looking bad?


A theory I heard yesterday says, that they're afraid of looking bad themselves.
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Postby Andsed » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:01 am

New US security package being finalized

It reportedly includes more Bradley and Strykers combat vehicles.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:05 am

Andsed wrote:New US security package being finalized

It reportedly includes more Bradley and Strykers combat vehicles.

Oh, nice, Strykers. What type?
The Selkie wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:From all I hear about Germany, it's "America do it first, then Germany."

Are they afraid of the Leopard 2 looking bad?


A theory I heard yesterday says, that they're afraid of looking bad themselves.

Oh. Looks like their failing at that because Germany looks bad as it is by refusing Leopards.
Still, from what I heard, the Leopards did okay under Turkish service in Northern Syria, though a few were lost. I'm sure a few will be lost in Ukraine.
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Postby The Dodo Republic » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:06 am

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:“Armchair generals” are almost always wrong.

Would this statement apply only to Ukrainian general staff or are you willing to discuss the wrongs made by the Russian general staff
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:08 am

The Dodo Republic wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:“Armchair generals” are almost always wrong.

Would this statement apply only to Ukrainian general staff or are you willing to discuss the wrongs made by the Russian general staff

Shoigu has no military service lol and he's the Russian MoD
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Postby Andsed » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:08 am

Northern Seleucia wrote:
Andsed wrote:New US security package being finalized

It reportedly includes more Bradley and Strykers combat vehicles.

Oh, nice, Strykers. What type?
The Selkie wrote:
A theory I heard yesterday says, that they're afraid of looking bad themselves.

Oh. Looks like their failing at that because Germany looks bad as it is by refusing Leopards.
Still, from what I heard, the Leopards did okay under Turkish service in Northern Syria, though a few were lost. I'm sure a few will be lost in Ukraine.

Did not say. The package has not been officially announced yet so I would imagine the exact Strykers will be clarified then.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:12 am

Andsed wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:Oh, nice, Strykers. What type?

Oh. Looks like their failing at that because Germany looks bad as it is by refusing Leopards.
Still, from what I heard, the Leopards did okay under Turkish service in Northern Syria, though a few were lost. I'm sure a few will be lost in Ukraine.

Did not say. The package has not been officially announced yet so I would imagine the exact Strykers will be clarified then.

I would hope it will be the M1128 Mobile Gun System, which has a 105mm gun, but there are only 142 that have been produced, so I'm not sure if the U.S is willing to give many to Ukraine.
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Postby The Selkie » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:12 am

Northern Seleucia wrote:[...]
The Selkie wrote:
A theory I heard yesterday says, that they're afraid of looking bad themselves.

Oh. Looks like their failing at that because Germany looks bad as it is by refusing Leopards.
Still, from what I heard, the Leopards did okay under Turkish service in Northern Syria, though a few were lost. I'm sure a few will be lost in Ukraine.


Indeed. They don't want to look like warmongers, reawakening memories to the Nazis and in the process look unassertive and powerless. This is a self-made situation, which Scholz can't win.
Yet, instead of saying "Fuck the Nazis, I was born in 1958!", we have this situation.

To my understanding, the Turkish Army did a few mistakes in their use.
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Postby Dogmeat » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:12 am

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:“Armchair generals” are almost always wrong.

It's true. Before all this started, most would have assumed Russia would win easily.

But now experience has taught us that Russia is painfully incompetent.
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Postby Perikuresu » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:13 am

The Dodo Republic wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:“Armchair generals” are almost always wrong.

Would this statement apply only to Ukrainian general staff or are you willing to discuss the wrongs made by the Russian general staff

URFR has previously stated that Shoigu must be punished for his tactical incompetence, just not at the Hague for some odd reason....
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:18 am

The Selkie wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:[...]

Oh. Looks like their failing at that because Germany looks bad as it is by refusing Leopards.
Still, from what I heard, the Leopards did okay under Turkish service in Northern Syria, though a few were lost. I'm sure a few will be lost in Ukraine.


Indeed. They don't want to look like warmongers, reawakening memories to the Nazis and in the process look unassertive and powerless. This is a self-made situation, which Scholz can't win.
Yet, instead of saying "Fuck the Nazis, I was born in 1958!", we have this situation.

To my understanding, the Turkish Army did a few mistakes in their use.

That's really terrible, but this time they are stopping the Nazis...

Yeah, I heard that too. For one, I saw a video of one tank on a flat plain alone getting picked off by what looked to be a TOW missile, and forever cementing Turkey as the first nation to land a tank turret on the Moon and establishing the Turkish Space Program. That was certainly a mistake.
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