The Ukrainian War IV: "And von Moltke Laughed ..."

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Sweden will be sending...:

• Archer Artillery System
• 50 Combat Vehicle 90 IFVs
• NLAW anti-tank missiles

...to Ukraine.

uncharacteristically im pretty unhappy about sending the Archers... mostly because we're sending them by gutting the single artillery "regiment" we have... the artillery "regiment" that only has 12 Archers...

[The Holy Therns]

Sweden will be sending...:

• Archer Artillery System
• 50 Combat Vehicle 90 IFVs
• NLAW anti-tank missiles

...to Ukraine.

Not like we were using them for anything important. Might as well.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Sweden will be sending...:

• Archer Artillery System
• 50 Combat Vehicle 90 IFVs
• NLAW anti-tank missiles

...to Ukraine.

Not like we were using them for anything important. Might as well.

id rather the Swedish Army not be the British Army... who are building "Deep Reconnaissance Strike Brigade Combat Teams" with 0 artillery.

[United Russian Federal Republic]

Not like we were using them for anything important. Might as well.

id rather the Swedish Army not be the British Army... who are building "Deep Reconnaissance Strike Brigade Combat Teams" with 0 artillery.

Possibly the experts know more than you do?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

id rather the Swedish Army not be the British Army... who are building "Deep Reconnaissance Strike Brigade Combat Teams" with 0 artillery.

Possibly the experts know more than you do?

yeah how about the guy imitating Somme 1916 not open his mouth on this matter.

[Picairn]

I do hope the supplier nations actually come up with a prudent plan to replenish those transferred equipment, else Europe's parade armies are going to become paper armies.

[The Huskar Social Union]

The British could send the Ajax to Ukraine. Maybe the Ukrainians can use them as part of a sabotage campaign, let them purposefully get captured by the Russians who then accidentally kill themselves or lose their hearing trying to drive the fucking things because of how much of a mess they are.

[United Russian Federal Republic]

Possibly the experts know more than you do?

yeah how about the guy imitating Somme 1916 not open his mouth on this matter.

That is a terrible thing to say.

I’m not imitating a single thing.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

I do hope the supplier nations actually come up with a prudent plan to replenish those transferred equipment, else Europe's parade armies are going to become paper armies.

This could be a good time to do some political consolidating and get that European Union Army going! :) They're giving a bunch of stuff away anyways so standardise the replacements.

Yeah, I know that's not going to happen. Let me have my hopeful dreams.

[Northern Seleucia]

Not like we were using them for anything important. Might as well.

id rather the Swedish Army not be the British Army... who are building "Deep Reconnaissance Strike Brigade Combat Teams" with 0 artillery.

"Deep"
"Strike"
"BCT"
tfw no arty

Possibly the experts know more than you do?

yeah how about the guy imitating Somme 1916 not open his mouth on this matter.

I thought Passchendaele, but Somme works.

Sweden will be sending...:

• Archer Artillery System
• 50 Combat Vehicle 90 IFVs
• NLAW anti-tank missiles

...to Ukraine.

uncharacteristically im pretty unhappy about sending the Archers... mostly because we're sending them by gutting the single artillery "regiment" we have... the artillery "regiment" that only has 12 Archers...

That's it? That's not good.

[United Russian Federal Republic]

“Armchair generals” are almost always wrong.

[Upper Lancashire]

Hello

[The Selkie]

Sweden will be sending...:

• Archer Artillery System
• 50 Combat Vehicle 90 IFVs
• NLAW anti-tank missiles

...to Ukraine.

While the problem with the Archer has been pointed out by ABH and THT, I am positve, that this will be a good thing for the Ukraine. Besides, Sweden can always replace them.
In the meantime, there is no current news about Germany's aid contribution.

I do hope the supplier nations actually come up with a prudent plan to replenish those transferred equipment, else Europe's parade armies are going to become paper armies.

This could be a good time to do some political consolidating and get that European Union Army going! They're giving a bunch of stuff away anyways so standardise the replacements.

Yeah, I know that's not going to happen. Let me have my hopeful dreams.

Don't give up hope yet. Weirder things have happened.

[Northern Seleucia]

Sweden will be sending...:

• Archer Artillery System
• 50 Combat Vehicle 90 IFVs
• NLAW anti-tank missiles

...to Ukraine.

While the problem with the Archer has been pointed out by ABH and THT, I am positve, that this will be a good thing for the Ukraine. Besides, Sweden can always replace them.
In the meantime, there is no current news about Germany's aid contribution.

From all I hear about Germany, it's "America do it first, then Germany."

Are they afraid of the Leopard 2 looking bad?

[The Selkie]

While the problem with the Archer has been pointed out by ABH and THT, I am positve, that this will be a good thing for the Ukraine. Besides, Sweden can always replace them.
In the meantime, there is no current news about Germany's aid contribution.

From all I hear about Germany, it's "America do it first, then Germany."

Are they afraid of the Leopard 2 looking bad?

A theory I heard yesterday says, that they're afraid of looking bad themselves.

[Andsed]

New US security package being finalized

It reportedly includes more Bradley and Strykers combat vehicles.

[Northern Seleucia]

New US security package being finalized

It reportedly includes more Bradley and Strykers combat vehicles.

Oh, nice, Strykers. What type?

From all I hear about Germany, it's "America do it first, then Germany."

Are they afraid of the Leopard 2 looking bad?

A theory I heard yesterday says, that they're afraid of looking bad themselves.

Oh. Looks like their failing at that because Germany looks bad as it is by refusing Leopards.
Still, from what I heard, the Leopards did okay under Turkish service in Northern Syria, though a few were lost. I'm sure a few will be lost in Ukraine.

[The Dodo Republic]

“Armchair generals” are almost always wrong.

Would this statement apply only to Ukrainian general staff or are you willing to discuss the wrongs made by the Russian general staff

[Northern Seleucia]

“Armchair generals” are almost always wrong.

Would this statement apply only to Ukrainian general staff or are you willing to discuss the wrongs made by the Russian general staff

Shoigu has no military service lol and he's the Russian MoD

[Andsed]

New US security package being finalized

It reportedly includes more Bradley and Strykers combat vehicles.

Oh, nice, Strykers. What type?

A theory I heard yesterday says, that they're afraid of looking bad themselves.

Oh. Looks like their failing at that because Germany looks bad as it is by refusing Leopards.
Still, from what I heard, the Leopards did okay under Turkish service in Northern Syria, though a few were lost. I'm sure a few will be lost in Ukraine.

Did not say. The package has not been officially announced yet so I would imagine the exact Strykers will be clarified then.

[Northern Seleucia]

Oh, nice, Strykers. What type?

Oh. Looks like their failing at that because Germany looks bad as it is by refusing Leopards.
Still, from what I heard, the Leopards did okay under Turkish service in Northern Syria, though a few were lost. I'm sure a few will be lost in Ukraine.

Did not say. The package has not been officially announced yet so I would imagine the exact Strykers will be clarified then.

I would hope it will be the M1128 Mobile Gun System, which has a 105mm gun, but there are only 142 that have been produced, so I'm not sure if the U.S is willing to give many to Ukraine.

[The Selkie]

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A theory I heard yesterday says, that they're afraid of looking bad themselves.

Oh. Looks like their failing at that because Germany looks bad as it is by refusing Leopards.
Still, from what I heard, the Leopards did okay under Turkish service in Northern Syria, though a few were lost. I'm sure a few will be lost in Ukraine.

Indeed. They don't want to look like warmongers, reawakening memories to the Nazis and in the process look unassertive and powerless. This is a self-made situation, which Scholz can't win.
Yet, instead of saying "Fuck the Nazis, I was born in 1958!", we have this situation.

To my understanding, the Turkish Army did a few mistakes in their use.

[Dogmeat]

“Armchair generals” are almost always wrong.

It's true. Before all this started, most would have assumed Russia would win easily.

But now experience has taught us that Russia is painfully incompetent.

[Perikuresu]

“Armchair generals” are almost always wrong.

Would this statement apply only to Ukrainian general staff or are you willing to discuss the wrongs made by the Russian general staff

URFR has previously stated that Shoigu must be punished for his tactical incompetence, just not at the Hague for some odd reason....

[Northern Seleucia]

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Oh. Looks like their failing at that because Germany looks bad as it is by refusing Leopards.
Still, from what I heard, the Leopards did okay under Turkish service in Northern Syria, though a few were lost. I'm sure a few will be lost in Ukraine.

Indeed. They don't want to look like warmongers, reawakening memories to the Nazis and in the process look unassertive and powerless. This is a self-made situation, which Scholz can't win.
Yet, instead of saying "Fuck the Nazis, I was born in 1958!", we have this situation.

To my understanding, the Turkish Army did a few mistakes in their use.

That's really terrible, but this time they are stopping the Nazis...

Yeah, I heard that too. For one, I saw a video of one tank on a flat plain alone getting picked off by what looked to be a TOW missile, and forever cementing Turkey as the first nation to land a tank turret on the Moon and establishing the Turkish Space Program. That was certainly a mistake.