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by Picairn » Sat Nov 26, 2022 5:36 am
by Democratic Communist Federation » Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:06 am
[color=#ff0000]Member,[/color] [url=https://www.nationstates.net/nation=democratic_communist_federation/detail=factbook/id=870177][color=#ff0000][u]Antifa Dialectical metaRealism[/u][/color][/url]
by The Huskar Social Union » Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:13 am
Sordhau wrote:Oh don't play coy. The entire pro-Ukraine side, in this thread and elsewhere, has done nothing but make hamfisted comparisons of everything about Putin, United Russia, etc. with the Third Reich. Even the invention of the term "Rascism" is just another attempt to insist Russia is being led by something akin to the NSDAP. It's actually fucking gross--a smidge bit ironic--considering how much of the people saying this are often the same people who claim Leftists use the term "Fascist" too loosely. Who the fuck do you think you're trying to fool here?
by Utquiagvik » Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:13 am
by Union of Austrelia » Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:16 am
Utquiagvik wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/z51a55/britain_says_russia_likely_removing_nuclear/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Britain has announced that Russia is likely removing nuclear warheads from missiles and firing the missiles at Ukraine.
by Picairn » Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:17 am
Utquiagvik wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/z51a55/britain_says_russia_likely_removing_nuclear/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Britain has announced that Russia is likely removing nuclear warheads from missiles and firing the missiles at Ukraine.
by Perikuresu » Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:19 am
Utquiagvik wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/z51a55/britain_says_russia_likely_removing_nuclear/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Britain has announced that Russia is likely removing nuclear warheads from missiles and firing the missiles at Ukraine.
by Betoni » Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:29 am
Sordhau wrote:Betoni wrote:
Your earlier post was about how you were not certain about the genocide claims by the western media and that post consisted of going Putin isn't literally Hitler and United Russia isn't really literally the NSDAP. Why would you go out of your way to post that? You thought someone in this thread was under the mistaken belief that Putin was Hitler reincarnate and Russia was re-enacting the Holocaust but on Ukrainians and you wanted to post in defence of Russia and correct these assumptions? Or you just decided to add that wisdom to the thread randomly, as a fun factoid? How was I supposed to read that, if not as a defence of Russia, when the context is the thread about Russian invasion of Ukraine and them conducting genocide and you go "well they are not actually as bad as Nazis"?
Oh don't play coy. The entire pro-Ukraine side, in this thread and elsewhere, has done nothing but make hamfisted comparisons of everything about Putin, United Russia, etc. with the Third Reich. Even the invention of the term "Rascism" is just another attempt to insist Russia is being led by something akin to the NSDAP. It's actually fucking gross--a smidge bit ironic--considering how much of the people saying this are often the same people who claim Leftists use the term "Fascist" too loosely. Who the fuck do you think you're trying to fool here?
Never mind that this whole "it's not literally the Holocaust" spiel you went on is a complete strawman. I was using the Nazis as an example of genocide, not as the basis for which all genocides should be judged - that was an invention of your own mind.
by New Georgia and the North Pacific » Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:50 am
by Ifreann » Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:57 am
New Georgia and the North Pacific wrote:Balloon debate 2. I vote for Sordhau to get thrown off.
by Sordhau » Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:15 am
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:Sordhau wrote:The entire pro-Ukraine side, in this thread and elsewhere, has done nothing but make hamfisted comparisons of everything about Putin, United Russia, etc. with the Third Reich.
I have not done that once. Comparisons can be useful. However, they can only be performed after each element has been carefully analyzed for its particular characteristics. I expect that this subject will be tackled by historians. (If it has been already, I am not aware of it.)
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Sordhau wrote:Oh don't play coy. The entire pro-Ukraine side, in this thread and elsewhere, has done nothing but make hamfisted comparisons of everything about Putin, United Russia, etc. with the Third Reich. Even the invention of the term "Rascism" is just another attempt to insist Russia is being led by something akin to the NSDAP. It's actually fucking gross--a smidge bit ironic--considering how much of the people saying this are often the same people who claim Leftists use the term "Fascist" too loosely. Who the fuck do you think you're trying to fool here?
Ive literally never done this.
Kazak Yeli wrote:Perikuresu wrote:But then, Picairn is still the most neutral person here. And also a great source of news and analysis which is partially the reason I'm still here despite the shitfuckery.
Picairn is the most neutral person here? Ahaha, what a joke.
I am the most neutral person here.
Perikuresu wrote:The Selkie wrote:To be fair to Jenny, unlike a few other deniziens of this thread (no, I will not call out names), she has stuck to her argument: USSR good, modern Russia bad, Putin worse, sanctions affect the poor workers and not the elites thus sanctions bad, NATO bad on principle, plus a few other points. While I do not agree with her on a few points, I think, we should stop lumping her in with other people committed to faux-neutrality.
^
Imo, from lurking on the Ukraine threads the past few months, it feels heavily disingenuous to just lump Sordhau with the Pro-Russian supporters. If I had a really charitable view (and I stress that) she's shown herself to be probably more neutral on the issue than some of us regardless if they're Pro Ukrainian or Pro Russian.
But then, Picairn is still the most neutral person here. And also a great source of news and analysis which is partially the reason I'm still here despite the shitfuckery.
Betoni wrote:I don't think you are an idiot so I must conclude you are doing this deliberately, either to provoke people or because you are being a Russia apologist but not willing to admit to it.
by Utquiagvik » Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:34 am
by Picairn » Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:38 am
Utquiagvik wrote:https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-11-26/belarus-top-diplomat-ally-to-president-dies-at-64
Vladimir Makei, Foreign Minister of Belarus, died at the age of 64 today. Currently, no cause of death has been reported.
by Kazak Yeli » Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:38 am
Utquiagvik wrote:https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-11-26/belarus-top-diplomat-ally-to-president-dies-at-64
Vladimir Makei, Foreign Minister of Belarus, died at the age of 64 today. Currently, no cause of death has been reported.
by Gravlen » Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:40 am
Kazak Yeli wrote:It really isn't hard to understand.
Forced relocation or kidnapping of children is most likely genocide.
Targeted killings of suspected informants, political enemies and POWs is not genocide.
Power was of great importance to the Hutu elite. Power blinded them so much that they believed took to a systematic extinction of a people as a tool to maintain that power. [sic]
by Picairn » Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:41 am
Kazak Yeli wrote:Lukashenko will allege a plot orchestrated by Ukraine and/or NATO.
by Betoni » Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:44 am
Sordhau wrote:Betoni wrote:I don't think you are an idiot so I must conclude you are doing this deliberately, either to provoke people or because you are being a Russia apologist but not willing to admit to it.
Or maybe I'm just not very good with words and have a tendency to react without thinking at times? Both are true and I'll admit those faults.
But I'm not a troll, and I'm not an apologist.
by Kazak Yeli » Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:44 am
Gravlen wrote:Trying to argue that targeted killings of political enemies categorically cannot be genocide is failing to understand what actually constitutes a genocide.
by Picairn » Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:50 am
by Kazak Yeli » Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:52 am
by Gravlen » Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:07 am
Kazak Yeli wrote:Picairn wrote:Does anyone believe what Lukashenko pulls out of his ass?
No, nobody does. His stream-of-consciousness monologues even embarrass Putin.Gravlen wrote:Trying to argue that targeted killings of political enemies categorically cannot be genocide is failing to understand what actually constitutes a genocide.
I'm not saying it cannot be genocide. It can, obviously, in examples such as the one you provided.
But I'm saying that the Bucha massacre, for example, was not a genocide, or an attempt of genocide. If it was, they would've razed the whole town and attempted to murder everyone, instead of just people on the list given to them by the intelligence service.
Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with
intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as
such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its
physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
by Picairn » Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:13 am
Last summer in the Donbas region, the Ukrainians were firing 6,000 to 7,000 artillery rounds each day, a senior NATO official said. The Russians were firing 40,000 to 50,000 rounds per day.
Ukraine has also proved adaptable. Its forces are known inside NATO as “the MacGyver Army,” a reference to an old television series in which the hero is inventive and improvisational with whatever comes to hand.
To shell Russian positions at Snake Island, for instance, the Ukrainians put Caesars, with a 40-kilometer range, on barges and towed them out 10 kilometers to hit the island, which was 50 kilometers away, astonishing the French.
by Juristonia » Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:16 am
Kazak Yeli wrote:I have gone to bat for you in this thread more times than I can count, when these people throw unfounded allegations of pro-Russian sentiment at you. We are on the same side.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.
Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.
Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.
And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.
by Picairn » Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:40 am
Juristonia wrote:Kazak Yeli wrote:I have gone to bat for you in this thread more times than I can count, when these people throw unfounded allegations of pro-Russian sentiment at you. We are on the same side.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
I disagree with quite a few things she's posted in here, but if you think she should be thankful of your help, of all people, saying you have a big ego is being incredibly polite in the mildest way possible.
by Kazak Yeli » Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:49 am
Juristonia wrote:Kazak Yeli wrote:I have gone to bat for you in this thread more times than I can count, when these people throw unfounded allegations of pro-Russian sentiment at you. We are on the same side.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
I disagree with quite a few things she's posted in here, but if you think she should be thankful of your help, of all people, saying you have a big ego is being incredibly polite in the mildest way possible.
Picairn wrote:Juristonia wrote:I disagree with quite a few things she's posted in here, but if you think she should be thankful of your help, of all people, saying you have a big ego is being incredibly polite in the mildest way possible.
The level of brazen narcissism to claim someone needs to be grateful for your "help", when that someone has never asked for your backing smh.
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