Justice in the US: Have we made any progress?

[Grant Land]

Why not? It’s not like making a joke about something is encouraging it. People make jokes about tons of other tragedies and guess what? They’re hilarious. There is literally nothing that “shouldn’t” be joked about.

Be really careful how you joke about Tragedies.

It can be done it's just a tightrope.

Agreed. I say later that some jokes about tragedies are funny and some aren’t. Context obviously matters a lot. The issue is thinking that certain subjects are off limits to joke about because who gets to make that decision? Are only people belonging to specific groups allowed to make jokes about their groups? At the end of the day a funny joke is funny no matter what the subject is and a bad joke is bad no matter the subject as well. Comedy and ridicule are the hallmark of free speech

[Stellar Colonies]

Justice in the US: Have we made any progress?

Probably just a little bit.

(yes)

But we clearly have a ways to go on a variety of fronts including; still-present racial inequality of various flavors, the often lockstep issues of misogyny/misandry, bodily autonomy in various contexts like sexual reassignment/abortion/infant circumcision, the classist divisions that the other stuff is probably used to distract from, and plenty more.

[Lile Ulie Islands]

Oh, I'm a joke now? I'm laughing pretty hard at that one

I'm a Jewish person. I don't laugh at jokes about an event that killed my ancestors. End of story. I don't want to argue with you anymore.

Well thank your god that you don’t speak for your entire people.

[deleted] (apologies to those effected by the post in a negative manner)

[South Pacifican Kilendjj]

before the forum mods come and probably lock this.
I agree with LUI, you shouldn't be intolerant to semitic people.

[Dumb Ideologies]

America's gone in a bunch of weird contradictory directions like everywhere else because history isn't an uninterrupted arc from bad to good.

When they've finished working out who cancels who I can't predict what the next excuse for ignoring class will be.

[Esternial]

Well thank your god that you don’t speak for your entire people.

[deleted] (apologies to those effected by the post in a negative manner)

Based on what you had originally written, I will be issuing a *** WARNING for Flaming ***
I would recommend using the Foes list under the User Control Panel for posters that get under your skin. It will save you a lot of frustration.

The biggest joke in this thread would be you and how you’re reacting.

Knock it off.

[Jewish Underground State]

America's gone in a bunch of weird contradictory directions like everywhere else because history isn't an uninterrupted arc from bad to good.

When they've finished working out who cancels who I can't predict what the next excuse for ignoring class will be.

Were at a stage where we can't tell what our beliefs and values are anymore. Should we pursue justice for all, patriotism for our nation or both.

[Existential Cats]

America's gone in a bunch of weird contradictory directions like everywhere else because history isn't an uninterrupted arc from bad to good.

When they've finished working out who cancels who I can't predict what the next excuse for ignoring class will be.

Were at a stage where we can't tell what our beliefs and values are anymore. Should we pursue justice for all, patriotism for our nation or both.

Well, as your first sentence suggests, determining what either of those options even are is rather difficult.

[Ainland]

It's one thing to have a polarised society, where people identify as either "liberal" or "conservative" like it defines who they are. But when you've actually got that in your justice system, you've got serious problems. Politicised courts are bad, very bad. It should never have gotten this far.

[Lile Ulie Islands]

[deleted] (apologies to those effected by the post in a negative manner)

Based on what you had originally written, I will be issuing a *** WARNING for Flaming ***
I would recommend using the Foes list under the User Control Panel for posters that get under your skin. It will save you a lot of frustration.

The biggest joke in this thread would be you and how you’re reacting.

Knock it off.

I’m sorry for the flaming. My fault. Didn’t know about the “foes” or what it did. Thanks for telling me!

[Lile Ulie Islands]

It's one thing to have a polarised society, where people identify as either "liberal" or "conservative" like it defines who they are. But when you've actually got that in your justice system, you've got serious problems. Politicised courts are bad, very bad. It should never have gotten this far.

I want to hear more...

[Ainland]

It's one thing to have a polarised society, where people identify as either "liberal" or "conservative" like it defines who they are. But when you've actually got that in your justice system, you've got serious problems. Politicised courts are bad, very bad. It should never have gotten this far.

I want to hear more...

Sure, I'll have a go at clarifying/expanding a bit...

I'm referring to the fact that judges are political appointees. Only, it's for life in some cases. It even factors in presidential campaigns, eg. "vote Trump, he'll nominate conservative justices to the supreme court". And judges are often defined (albeit by the media, which is itself polarised, but that's another convey!) as being either liberal or conservative.

Point I'm making is that this is a problem. The justice system should really sit fully outside of politics. Politicians shouldn't be appointing judges. Judges shouldn't have political affiliations or "leanings". And it certainly shouldn't be a factor in political campaigning.

[Lile Ulie Islands]

I want to hear more...

Sure, I'll have a go at clarifying/expanding a bit...

I'm referring to the fact that judges are political appointees. Only, it's for life in some cases. It even factors in presidential campaigns, eg. "vote Trump, he'll nominate conservative justices to the supreme court". And judges are often defined (albeit by the media, which is itself polarised, but that's another convey!) as being either liberal or conservative.

Point I'm making is that this is a problem. The justice system should really sit fully outside of politics. Politicians shouldn't be appointing judges. Judges shouldn't have political affiliations or "leanings". And it certainly shouldn't be a factor in political campaigning.

Yes...I see what you're saying. This thread's main purpose was about social class and racial justice, but I find the failures of the judicial system in the US very interesting, too.

It's sad what has happened to The Supreme Court. Once a body of integrity, now one that just serves the far-right. They've closed the much needed gap between church and state, put abortion rights in the hand of state legislators/governors, rather than between a doctor and a woman, and have- well, done some pretty far-right, alt-right stuff. It's also sad what has happened to the judicial appointee process. Yes, what you said, Trump partially campaigned on nominate conservative justices to SCOTUS and other federal judgeship levels. We need more transparency and less partisanship in our government- and it feels like we are no where close to that.

[The Second Hungarian Republic]

Yes, of course we have. This isn't really much of a question, at least to me. However, in some areas, we are stagnating or even regressing. Doesn't mean no progress has been made.

[United Calanworie]

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This is not the right place for that. Unofficial warning for spam, do not continue to post your proposal in other threads, doing so will result in an official warning/ban.

[Lile Ulie Islands]

Yes, of course we have. This isn't really much of a question, at least to me. However, in some areas, we are stagnating or even regressing. Doesn't mean no progress has been made.

It's a big question, with countless answers, but it seems small too. But feel free to discuss anything pertaining the OP here.

[Lile Ulie Islands]

Any thoughts? Questions, comments, concerns?

[Ainland]

Sure, I'll have a go at clarifying/expanding a bit...

I'm referring to the fact that judges are political appointees. Only, it's for life in some cases. It even factors in presidential campaigns, eg. "vote Trump, he'll nominate conservative justices to the supreme court". And judges are often defined (albeit by the media, which is itself polarised, but that's another convey!) as being either liberal or conservative.

Point I'm making is that this is a problem. The justice system should really sit fully outside of politics. Politicians shouldn't be appointing judges. Judges shouldn't have political affiliations or "leanings". And it certainly shouldn't be a factor in political campaigning.

Yes...I see what you're saying. This thread's main purpose was about social class and racial justice, but I find the failures of the judicial system in the US very interesting, too.

It's sad what has happened to The Supreme Court. Once a body of integrity, now one that just serves the far-right. They've closed the much needed gap between church and state, put abortion rights in the hand of state legislators/governors, rather than between a doctor and a woman, and have- well, done some pretty far-right, alt-right stuff. It's also sad what has happened to the judicial appointee process. Yes, what you said, Trump partially campaigned on nominate conservative justices to SCOTUS and other federal judgeship levels. We need more transparency and less partisanship in our government- and it feels like we are no where close to that.

Regarding racial justice, I can't really speak to that. I'm British and it's very different in the USA. We don't really have the same problems. At least, it's not as bad. On the other hand, I think we have worse class-based discrimination in the UK. Although it has definitely improved enormously over the past century.

[Lile Ulie Islands]

Yes...I see what you're saying. This thread's main purpose was about social class and racial justice, but I find the failures of the judicial system in the US very interesting, too.

It's sad what has happened to The Supreme Court. Once a body of integrity, now one that just serves the far-right. They've closed the much needed gap between church and state, put abortion rights in the hand of state legislators/governors, rather than between a doctor and a woman, and have- well, done some pretty far-right, alt-right stuff. It's also sad what has happened to the judicial appointee process. Yes, what you said, Trump partially campaigned on nominate conservative justices to SCOTUS and other federal judgeship levels. We need more transparency and less partisanship in our government- and it feels like we are no where close to that.

Regarding racial justice, I can't really speak to that. I'm British and it's very different in the USA. We don't really have the same problems. At least, it's not as bad. On the other hand, I think we have worse class-based discrimination in the UK. Although it has definitely improved enormously over the past century.

Hmmm. May I hear your thoughts about the Grenfell Tower fire?

[Ainland]

Regarding racial justice, I can't really speak to that. I'm British and it's very different in the USA. We don't really have the same problems. At least, it's not as bad. On the other hand, I think we have worse class-based discrimination in the UK. Although it has definitely improved enormously over the past century.

Hmmm. May I hear your thoughts about the Grenfell Tower fire?

A terrible tragedy that could have been avoided. There are many issues here. Housing is a major problem in London. I don't know enough about this as I haven't read the reports or anything. But I think the issue was with sub-standard dangerous cladding. Probably to save money. Perhaps there is a regulation issue, however we are normally pretty good on that in the UK.

I think that the cladding was dangerous and done on the cheap. It most likely comes down to greed, and indifference for the people living in the block.

[Lile Ulie Islands]

Hmmm. May I hear your thoughts about the Grenfell Tower fire?

A terrible tragedy that could have been avoided. There are many issues here. Housing is a major problem in London. I don't know enough about this as I haven't read the reports or anything. But I think the issue was with sub-standard dangerous cladding. Probably to save money. Perhaps there is a regulation issue, however we are normally pretty good on that in the UK.

I think that the cladding was dangerous and done on the cheap. It most likely comes down to greed, and indifference for the people living in the block.

It truly was a sad incident.