Armenia-Azerbaijan Clashes

[Perikuresu]

This "Armenians committed genocide to Azeris" and "Azeris committed genocides to Armenia" thing is basically finger pointing that is going nowhere, I did search up the claims of the latter, seems it is true (to an extent) ik it's wikipedia, and that Armenia claims it was Karabakh and CIS forces, not Armenian forces that committed the massacre. (HOWEVER, I MUST STRESS THAT THIS DOESN'T JUSTIFY GENOCIDES AGAINST ANYONE ARMENIANS OR AZERI, AND IT CERTAINLY WILL NEVER INVALIDATE GENOCIDES AGAINST ARMENIANS)

I short, it looks like both of y'all are right and it looks like partisan wand waggling

[Mets Hayk]

Oh, this isn't whataboutism...I just want to see where you, y'know, stand on some topics.

Here's the last question I have for you: Do you feel no compassion for those who'll (inevitably) be forced from their homes in Nagorno-Karabakh, if Azerbaijan was to regain total control over the region?

Who's stopping them from living in peace with their neighbors? So far all I have seen is the illegitimate "government" of that pseudo-state evacuating people. Other than the actual corridor the Republic of Azerbaycan has not liberated any new territory after all, they're free to stay where they are.

The Azeri government.

[The House of Hamid]

Who's stopping them from living in peace with their neighbors? So far all I have seen is the illegitimate "government" of that pseudo-state evacuating people. Other than the actual corridor the Republic of Azerbaycan has not liberated any new territory after all, they're free to stay where they are.

The Azeri government.

Dude above isn't that wrong, we're derailling again.

We must return to Lachin, Zabukh, Sus - President Ilham Aliyev

[Mets Hayk]

The Azeri government.

Dude above isn't that wrong, we're derailling again.

We must return to Lachin, Zabukh, Sus - President Ilham Aliyev

With their return comes the destruction our culture in the region...which is why they cannot be allowed to do so.

[The House of Hamid]

Dude above isn't that wrong, we're derailling again.

We must return to Lachin, Zabukh, Sus - President Ilham Aliyev

With their return comes the destruction our culture in the region...which is why they cannot be allowed to do so.

Your "culture" you brought there after the illegal occupation you mean, like all those churches built after '96? Need I remind you that it was and is Armenia that violates the 2020 accords, not Azerbaycan? Even after the soldateska that Paşinyan repeatedly said weren't even there was withdrawn? Azerbaycan has held faith with the 2020 accords, unlike you! Nobody is forcing any ermeni to leave, other than that pseudostate you defend!

Again: would the Republic of Azerbaycan actually want to forcibly remove the ermeni presence in the region they could easily do so right now. They don't!

[Mets Hayk]

With their return comes the destruction our culture in the region...which is why they cannot be allowed to do so.

Your "culture" you brought there after the illegal occupation you mean, like all those churches built after '96? Need I remind you that it was and is Armenia that violates the 2020 accords, not Azerbaycan? Even after the soldateska that Paşinyan repeatedly said weren't even there was withdrawn? Azerbaycan has held faith with the 2020 accords, unlike you! Nobody is forcing any ermeni to leave, other than that pseudostate you defend!

Nagorno-Karabakh has always had a large Armenian population...hence why the Karabakh movement, y'know, happened.

[Kirmizistan]

As a man with Turkish ancestry, Yes!

[The House of Hamid]

Your "culture" you brought there after the illegal occupation you mean, like all those churches built after '96? Need I remind you that it was and is Armenia that violates the 2020 accords, not Azerbaycan? Even after the soldateska that Paşinyan repeatedly said weren't even there was withdrawn? Azerbaycan has held faith with the 2020 accords, unlike you! Nobody is forcing any ermeni to leave, other than that pseudostate you defend!

Nagorno-Karabakh has always had a large Armenian population...hence why the Karabakh movement, y'know, happened.

Yes, it's a historical fact, I won't deny that. Still, we have many regions with a sizeable minority of others living there all over the globe. Hell, I live in one right now, we have plenty of danes here in the north. They have their own political representation, and after a series of plebiscites the border was re-drawn in the 1950s. We manage to live without killing one another, imagine that. That would be precisely the kind of situation I'd argue for in Qarabag. Instead your minority forms a violent regime that is armed and supported by ermenistan, that kills Azeri soldiers and civillians! Hence my original argument: "Artsakh" is no better than russias Donezk and Luhansk republics, they too have a sizeable russian population living in Ukraine, they too were instrumentalized against their own country by an enemy. No wonder the ermeni and that vile russian regime get along so well...

There have been many rulers in that area....Seldjuks, turkish Beys, Khans, Ermeni kings, Ottoman Sultans...even the disgusting bolshevik murderers. We cannot simply use historical evidence to determine any territorial changes for today.

[Mets Hayk]

Nagorno-Karabakh has always had a large Armenian population...hence why the Karabakh movement, y'know, happened.

Yes, it's a historical fact, I won't deny that. Still, we have many regions with a sizeable minority of others living there all over the globe. Hell, I live in one right now, we have plenty of danes here in the north. They have their own political representation, and after a series of plebiscites the border was re-drawn in the 1950s. We manage to live without killing one another, imagine that. That would be precisely the kind of situation I'd argue for in Qarabag. Instead your minority forms a violent regime that is armed and supported by ermenistan, that kills Azeri soldiers and civillians! Hence my original argument: "Artsakh" is no better than russias Donezk and Luhansk republics, they too have a sizeable russian population living in Ukraine, they too were instrumentalized against their own country by an enemy. No wonder the ermeni and that vile russian regime get along so well...

It's almost as if the Azeris have been killing my people for centuries. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to be under a genocidal regime.

EDIT: Behold
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_Days
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shusha_massacre

[The House of Hamid]

Yes, it's a historical fact, I won't deny that. Still, we have many regions with a sizeable minority of others living there all over the globe. Hell, I live in one right now, we have plenty of danes here in the north. They have their own political representation, and after a series of plebiscites the border was re-drawn in the 1950s. We manage to live without killing one another, imagine that. That would be precisely the kind of situation I'd argue for in Qarabag. Instead your minority forms a violent regime that is armed and supported by ermenistan, that kills Azeri soldiers and civillians! Hence my original argument: "Artsakh" is no better than russias Donezk and Luhansk republics, they too have a sizeable russian population living in Ukraine, they too were instrumentalized against their own country by an enemy. No wonder the ermeni and that vile russian regime get along so well...

Almost as if the Azeris haven't been killing my people for centuries...I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to be under a genocidal regime.

Your own people did their fair share of killing... are you going to blame the Republic of Azerbaycan for the Actions of the Seldjuks now, like you blame modern Turkey for those of the Ottoman Empire?

[Mets Hayk]

Almost as if the Azeris haven't been killing my people for centuries...I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to be under a genocidal regime.

Your own people did their fair share of killing... are you going to blame the Republic of Azerbaycan for the Actions of the Seldjuks now, like you blame modern Turkey for those of the Ottoman Empire?

Look at my edit, Mehmet...

[Vistulange]

I'm honestly not getting the point of the never-ending back-and-forth between you two that has been going on for dozens of pages now. The last dozen pages or so are practically you two going "Azeris killed Armenians!" and "Armenians killed Azeris!" over and over and over and over and over again. It's pretty bloody obvious neither of you are going to convince the other, and it's also pretty bloody obvious that both statements are true to some extent, so, really—what's the reason to go on like this? Surely you've both got better things to do with your time?

As I said before, the Greek-Turkish argument on Omegle was far more satisfying to witness than this. At least that one got somewhere.

[The House of Hamid]

Your own people did their fair share of killing... are you going to blame the Republic of Azerbaycan for the Actions of the Seldjuks now, like you blame modern Turkey for those of the Ottoman Empire?

Look at my edit, Mehmet...

EDIT: Behold
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_Days

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_Days

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamkhor_massacre

The Azerbaijani Musavatists[14] and Tatar Cavalry Regiment,[15] under the leadership of the Military Council of Nationalities, stopped a Russian train and demanded the handover of the military supply on it, but the Russian soldiers had refused to give the military equipment away. The following events resulted in the Azerbaijanis stormed the train, which led to hundreds of deaths.

While not exactly pretty, that sounds like regular warfare to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shusha_massacre

There was plenty killing to go all around in that era, true. Civil war in the 1920s is bad sh**. Your people have been more active in modern days though:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_o ... _Malibeyli
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Garadaghly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khojaly_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maraga_massacre

All in 1992. And none in the following conflict...hmmm.

I'm honestly not getting the point of the never-ending back-and-forth between you two that has been going on for dozens of pages now. The last dozen pages or so are practically you two going "Azeris killed Armenians!" and "Armenians killed Azeris!" over and over and over and over and over again. It's pretty bloody obvious neither of you are going to convince the other, and it's also pretty bloody obvious that both statements are true to some extent, so, really—what's the reason to go on like this? Surely you've both got better things to do with your time?

As I said before, the Greek-Turkish argument on Omegle was far more satisfying to witness than this. At least that one got somewhere.

Damn, that's actually right. I propose we have this out via PM instead and get back on toppic.

[Mets Hayk]

Will residents of Aganus village, which was transferred to Azerbaijan, return to their lands?

[Duvniask]

There was plenty killing to go all around in that era, true. Civil war in the 1920s is bad sh**. Your people have been more active in modern days though:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_o ... _Malibeyli
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Garadaghly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khojaly_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maraga_massacre

This back and forth is stupid, but it certainly doesn't make you look like you know what the fuck you're talking about when the Maraga massacre wasn't committed by "your people", but the Azeris, meaning you didn't actually read the page.

[Chan Island]

I'm honestly not getting the point of the never-ending back-and-forth between you two that has been going on for dozens of pages now. The last dozen pages or so are practically you two going "Azeris killed Armenians!" and "Armenians killed Azeris!" over and over and over and over and over again. It's pretty bloody obvious neither of you are going to convince the other, and it's also pretty bloody obvious that both statements are true to some extent, so, really—what's the reason to go on like this? Surely you've both got better things to do with your time?

As I said before, the Greek-Turkish argument on Omegle was far more satisfying to witness than this. At least that one got somewhere.

At least it's shed light on why so many feuds and conflicts throughout history have ended with an outside force imposing a solution onto both parties.

[The House of Hamid]

Azerbaijan Finishes Construction of New Highway Replacing Lachin Corridor

[Mets Hayk]

Karabakh FM: Any status within Azerbaijan is unacceptable for Artsakh

[Perikuresu]

Karabakh FM: Any status within Azerbaijan is unacceptable for Artsakh

Not even autonomy? (Assuming Azerbaijan will compromise)

[The Islands of Versilia]

Karabakh FM: Any status within Azerbaijan is unacceptable for Artsakh

Not even autonomy? (Assuming Azerbaijan will compromise)

Given Azerbaijani authorities bulldoze Armenian cemeteries and any other evidence of Armenian history that they can’t claim is actually Azeri, I am inclined to think that Armenians in Artsakh don’t want to be under Azerbaijan, not even with supposed and (falsely) promised autonomy.

[Mets Hayk]

Not even autonomy? (Assuming Azerbaijan will compromise)

Given Azerbaijani authorities bulldoze Armenian cemeteries and any other evidence of Armenian history that they can’t claim is actually Azeri, I am inclined to think that Armenians in Artsakh don’t want to be under Azerbaijan, not even with supposed and (falsely) promised autonomy.

Well said, Vers...well said.

[Mets Hayk]

Karabakh defense army: Azerbaijan disseminates another disinformation
President: Provocative actions are aimed at de-Armenianizing Artsakh

[Sordhau]

Not even autonomy? (Assuming Azerbaijan will compromise)

Given Azerbaijani authorities bulldoze Armenian cemeteries and any other evidence of Armenian history that they can’t claim is actually Azeri, I am inclined to think that Armenians in Artsakh don’t want to be under Azerbaijan, not even with supposed and (falsely) promised autonomy.

Gee, it's almost like Azerbaijan is ruled by rabid ultranationalists that want to ethnically cleanse the Armenian people from the face of the planet.

[Mets Hayk]

Artsakh official: Cultural monuments' removal from Berdzor, Aghavno, Sus will be completed next week

[Hispida]

Artsakh official: Cultural monuments' removal from Berdzor, Aghavno, Sus will be completed next week

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