Prostitution is MORE ethical than unpaid sex. Here's why.

[Stellar Colonies]

Frankly, I just recommend that most young men get vasectomies until they want to reproduce. It's a risk, but far less risky than being trapped into either an unwanted marriage or eighteen years of child support for an unplanned child. The second best option is to always keep protection with spermicide and dispose of it yourself. Never let anyone else get their hands on said protection. Ever.

That's not immature, either. It's planning ahead to save yourself and your wallet. That's very mature when you think about it.

I'm not sure if sterilization should be treated as such a blanket option.

Reversing it isn't exactly as easy as having it done.

[Thomasi]

Frankly, I just recommend that most young men get vasectomies until they want to reproduce. It's a risk, but far less risky than being trapped into either an unwanted marriage or eighteen years of child support for an unplanned child. The second best option is to always keep protection with spermicide and dispose of it yourself. Never let anyone else get their hands on said protection. Ever.

That's not immature, either. It's planning ahead to save yourself and your wallet. That's very mature when you think about it.

Nah I want kids, whether its from a planned pregnancy with a girlfriend/wife or a 1 night stand and I have to fight in court to get custody.

Your plan works for men who just want to spend their life literally fucking around.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Whatever you might want. Whatever it is you think could be learned about society by legalising prostitution, that knowledge is available, because there are places where prostitution is legal.

1. That's why I added the "child support paid collectively by everyone who took the same risk" caveat, to see if there would be any reversal in the gender dynamics not otherwise shown by places that only legalize prostitution without doing that.

2. How does prostitution being legal prove society is being 100% honest about how it's being conducted? There could be perverse ideological incentives in either direction to cook the books, whether by people opposed to it or in its favour.

What is the incentive for the woman to pay when the demand curve shows more men are willing to pay?

If women really are as horny as men, wouldn't they be just as willing to pay?

If it's not that they're less horny but that they're pickier, wouldn't the smaller fraction of guys who meet their standards be able to charge a premium for it that many women would be willing to pay?

If neither, then once you've removed all confounding factors, wouldn't that at least prove men are either hornier or less picky, and in the process, once-and-for-all discredit the people who dismiss both notions "incel cope" or whatever?

(Mind you, I was skeptical that it was "incel cope" from the start, as I have vivid memories of once being too fixated on my crush to go for whichever girls seemed to be flirting with me, and there are celebrities who say the same thing about gender dynamics despite getting laid all the time, but still... it'd be nice to have some definitive proof either way.)

My brother in Christ that’s not how a sex Ed class works.

They were okay with mentioning the risk the condom breaks. Why should the risk that he has to drop out to pay child support if she keeps a baby she wouldn't say she'd keep if the condom breaks be off limits, other than spineless pandering to the public on whose tax dollars they rely?

[Luminesa]

Whatever you might want. Whatever it is you think could be learned about society by legalising prostitution, that knowledge is available, because there are places where prostitution is legal.

1. That's why I added the "child support paid collectively by everyone who took the same risk" caveat, to see if there would be any reversal in the gender dynamics not otherwise shown by places that only legalize prostitution without doing that.

2. How does prostitution being legal prove society is being 100% honest about how it's being conducted? There could be perverse ideological incentives in either direction to cook the books, whether by people opposed to it or in its favour.

What is the incentive for the woman to pay when the demand curve shows more men are willing to pay?

If women really are as horny as men, wouldn't they be just as willing to pay?

If it's not that they're less horny but that they're pickier, wouldn't the smaller fraction of guys who meet their standards be able to charge a premium for it that many women would be willing to pay?

If neither, then once you've removed all confounding factors, wouldn't that at least prove men are either hornier or less picky, and in the process, once-and-for-all discredit the people who dismiss both notions "incel cope" or whatever?

(Mind you, I was skeptical that it was "incel cope" from the start, as I have vivid memories of once being too fixated on my crush to go for whichever girls seemed to be flirting with me, and there are celebrities who say the same thing about gender dynamics despite getting laid all the time, but still... it'd be nice to have some definitive proof either way.)

My brother in Christ that’s not how a sex Ed class works.

They were okay with mentioning the risk the condom breaks. Why should the risk that he has to drop out to pay child support if she keeps a baby she wouldn't say she'd keep if the condom breaks be off limits, other than spineless pandering to the public on whose tax dollars they rely?

The word according to the book of Late Registration:
"If you ain't no punk, holla we want prenup! WE WANT PRENUP!
It's something that you need to have, because when she leave you,
She gonna leave with half."

The Gospel of Ye.

[Sundiata]

I believe that prostitution and the solicitation of prostitution should be made illegal but at the same time we need to guarantee people food, shelter, and education so they aren't economically pressured to turn to it.

Make only the solicitation illegal to be real wild about it.

I would be pleased with that.

[Delvian States]

Make only the solicitation illegal to be real wild about it.

I would be pleased with that.

This actually endangers the sex workers. They tend to be more desperate for clients and ignore the warning signals more often because the better clients have just been driven away. Congratulations. You've made things worse for the working girls.

[Sundiata]

I would be pleased with that.

This actually endangers the sex workers. They tend to be more desperate for clients and ignore the warning signals more often because the better clients have just been driven away. Congratulations. You've made things worse for the working girls.

We need a complete ban on prostitution, the previous suggestion is incomplete.

[Delvian States]

This actually endangers the sex workers. They tend to be more desperate for clients and ignore the warning signals more often because the better clients have just been driven away. Congratulations. You've made things worse for the working girls.

We need a complete ban on prostitution, the previous suggestion is incomplete.

We need the opposite. A full-scale decriminalization of the practice to make sure that everyone is safer and can report to the police with impunity.

[PhilTech]

This actually endangers the sex workers. They tend to be more desperate for clients and ignore the warning signals more often because the better clients have just been driven away. Congratulations. You've made things worse for the working girls.

We need a complete ban on prostitution, the previous suggestion is incomplete.

The more I think about it, the more I am in favor of legalizing prostitution even though it heavily goes against my Christian values.

We need the opposite. A full-scale decriminalization of the practice to make sure that everyone is safer and can report to the police with impunity.

Exactly my thoughts as well.

Besides, funny to think about it but here in the Philippines, prostitution is illegal yet somewhat tolerated - highly tolerated it seems. So what is the purpose of making it illegal then? Why not make it legal so that the prostitutes can have better welfare? This only makes it a hotspot for notorious crime organizations and pedophile ring to flourish.

[Heloin]

This actually endangers the sex workers. They tend to be more desperate for clients and ignore the warning signals more often because the better clients have just been driven away. Congratulations. You've made things worse for the working girls.

We need a complete ban on prostitution, the previous suggestion is incomplete.

No we don’t. Legalize it.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

I support sex work in the private sector, which can be controlled by the state.I'm against illegal sex for money I'm not against free sex making love is a good thing

[Ethel mermania]

"....If neither, then once you've removed all confounding factors, wouldn't that at least prove men are either hornier or less picky, and in the process, once-and-for-all discredit the people who dismiss both notions "incel cope" or whatever..."

Women are less horny and Pickler, I agree but that is a generalization a there are exceptions to the rule

I have no idea what the rest of your post means.

[Ifreann]

Whatever you might want. Whatever it is you think could be learned about society by legalising prostitution, that knowledge is available, because there are places where prostitution is legal.

1. That's why I added the "child support paid collectively by everyone who took the same risk" caveat, to see if there would be any reversal in the gender dynamics not otherwise shown by places that only legalize prostitution without doing that.

You're so obsessed with child support and it never occurred to you that it might work differently in other countries?

2. How does prostitution being legal prove society is being 100% honest about how it's being conducted? There could be perverse ideological incentives in either direction to cook the books, whether by people opposed to it or in its favour.

Then I guess there no way for you to learn anything by legalising prostitution and you've defeated your own argument.

[Cannot think of a name]

...what?

If "virginity" in men is a trait women choose to insult, does not not suggest it's a trait they look down on, or at the very least that if it's a trait they look up to instead they don't look up to it enough to praise it instead of insulting it, or at least distance themselves from the ones using it as an insult?

Are you talking to me?

[Thomasi]

Raise the age to do sex work to 21 and require actually identification like a credit card or SSN to access such content and impose harsh penalties for advertising on sites without real age verification and the numbers will drop while allowing those who do decide to have a legally protected avenue.

By 21 people likely will be finishing college or doing a different job and will be less inclined. Also customers will likely flock to the younger European sex workers further hindering the US sex industry.

[Ifreann]

Raise the age to do sex work to 21 and require actually identification like a credit card or SSN to access such content and impose harsh penalties for advertising on sites without real age verification and the numbers will drop while allowing those who do decide to have a legally protected avenue.

By 21 people likely will be finishing college or doing a different job and will be less inclined. Also customers will likely flock to the younger European sex workers further hindering the US sex industry.

Or, maybe don't try to ruin people's lives because sex work offends your moral sensibilities. Sex work isn't some kind of special evil, it's a type of job. It is bad in the ways that every job is bad, and the people who do it need protection from exploitative work conditions like workers in every job. They don't need you trying to force them into breaking their backs in an Amazon warehouse or selling their souls in an office.

[Saiwania]

Also customers will likely flock to the younger European sex workers further hindering the US sex industry.

It depends on the person, but there are hardly any major physical differences appearance wise, between someone who is 18 and someone who is 21, if it is just a few years of aging. Still illegal for Americans to do sex tourism in Europe, if the prostitute isn't 18+ at minimum. No, people probably aren't going to be picky with regards to who they get, if the prostitutes are of legal age and still in the "prime reproductive years" range.

[Ifreann]

Also customers will likely flock to the younger European sex workers further hindering the US sex industry.

It depends on the person, but there are hardly any major physical differences appearance wise, between someone who is 18 and someone who is 21, if it is just a few years of aging. Still illegal for Americans to do sex tourism in Europe, if the prostitute isn't 18+ at minimum. No, people probably aren't going to be picky with regards to who they get, if the prostitutes are of legal age and still in the "prime reproductive years" range.

God, fascists are so weird about sex.

[Thomasi]

Also customers will likely flock to the younger European sex workers further hindering the US sex industry.

It depends on the person, but there are hardly any major physical differences appearance wise, between someone who is 18 and someone who is 21, if it is just a few years of aging. Still illegal for Americans to do sex tourism in Europe, if the prostitute isn't 18+ at minimum. No, people probably aren't going to be picky with regards to who they get, if the prostitutes are of legal age and still in the "prime reproductive years" range.

I meant on porn sites not people traveling to Europe to have sex lol. Most European sex models are already considered to be more beautiful and if they are younger they as well I think it will put the American Sex workers at an even greater disadvantage. The people who are willing to pay for actual sex, I agree will stick with the 21+ American women because that's their only real option.

[Saiwania]

I meant on porn sites not people traveling to Europe to have sex lol. Most European sex models are already considered to be more beautiful and if they are younger they as well I think it will put the American Sex workers at an even greater disadvantage.

There won't be any real disadvantage if there is only a few years' difference. The global standard for porn is more or less 18+ years of age. No country is really going to consider people older than 17 but younger than 21 to be children if 18+ has been the standard for too long. Some porn producers are voluntarily deciding to only hire women who're 21+ years of age, because there is less headache and likelihood for someone underage to manage to slip through and hence- get that company in lots of trouble.

[Ethel mermania]

It depends on the person, but there are hardly any major physical differences appearance wise, between someone who is 18 and someone who is 21, if it is just a few years of aging. Still illegal for Americans to do sex tourism in Europe, if the prostitute isn't 18+ at minimum. No, people probably aren't going to be picky with regards to who they get, if the prostitutes are of legal age and still in the "prime reproductive years" range.

God, fascists are so weird about sex.

Nazi's allowed prostitution. They saw it as bad but something even they could not control.

[Ifreann]

God, fascists are so weird about sex.

Nazi's allowed prostitution. They saw it as bad but something even they could not control.

I'm sure they were going on about "prime reproductive years" as well.

[Saiwania]

I'm sure they were going on about "prime reproductive years" as well.

What else should it be called? Women lose physical attractiveness as they get older as a general rule. Men do too, but lots of women still find older men to be attractive if they're in shape or have money/status/social skills. Women lose all fertility past menopause whilst men get diminished fertility but seemingly never lose it completely.

Biology isn't a perfectly fair thing for our species.

[Ifreann]

I'm sure they were going on about "prime reproductive years" as well.

What else should it be called? Women lose physical attractiveness as they get older as a general rule. Men do too, but lots of women still find older men to be attractive if they're in shape or have money/status/social skills. Women lose all fertility past menopause whilst men get deminished fertility but seemingly never lose it completely.

Biology isn't a perfectly fair thing for our species.

Maybe the reason women don't want to spend any time with you is that you talk about them like they're livestock.

[Saiwania]

Maybe the reason women don't want to spend any time with you is that you talk about them like they're livestock.

Nonsense, it's merely because I don't put myself out there and don't have income/complete independence of my own. Nobody offline knows I really exist, but when I am in public I'm easily seen as "invisible" in that I'm hard to notice. I don't rock the boat too much or take many risks. So troubles usually can't truly find me.

I don't trust anyone in person, nearly enough to carry any conversation on for too long. But online chatrooms/video calls/activities are a different story.