Prostitution is MORE ethical than unpaid sex. Here's why.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

I presume most advocates of legalized prostitution aren't actually in favour of prostitution itself, just in favour of not resorting to something as drastic (or in the USA, inhumane) as incarceration over it.

I seek to distance myself from them by making the case for prostitution, in and of itself.

Firstly, a recurring theme in my posts, child support law. The vast majority of guys have sex before they can afford kids, yet in their capacity as voters they leave the few whose partners kept the baby having to drop out of school and go into poverty to pay child support. Would it not be more ethical to pool the resources of every guy who's having sex before he can afford kids, so that when the risk ends badly, the costs are spread out among everyone, which is what we already do for other kinds of risks through insurance? The most popular "solution" to this problem is to just ask her before sex whether or not she intends to keep the baby, which under the law is completely irrelevant to how much child support is owed, let alone whether or not the gov't picks up the tab until he's back on his feet. If the risk of dire poverty cannot deter normal males from sex anyway, why not just pool the resources of everyone who took the same risk?

Secondly, on a somewhat related note, despite the reputation, accurately or not, of prostitution for being about women selling sexual services to men, even those men in practice are known for genuinely trying to pleasure her anyway, which leaves the question of why it isn't mostly men selling sexual services to women and not the other way around. (Or if is, how the reputation otherwise even developed.) If it's because women are content with the guys they can seduce into having sex with her for free, then surely scrapping the stigma against it would go a long way to finding out for sure and having confirmation one way or another, would it not? If it's because child support law makes guys realize that whatever sexual services he sells to women he might lose all that money from and more, why not just scrap it, and see how many guys sell sexual services, and in the process, use which guys make the most money off it as a clue, however imperfect, to who women are the most attracted to? Because the average person's current basis for assuming which guys women are most attracted to is his number of sexual partners (see also; those who mock the Pope for being a virgin) and that's not really a valid assumption under current circumstances with their current risks (see above paragraph) that being attractive can't get you out of anyway.

If nothing else, it's a social experiment that would provide valuable insight into human nature the "social sciences" never could.

What say you, NSG?

[The empire of madolord]

I presume most advocates of legalized prostitution aren't actually in favour of prostitution itself, just in favour of not resorting to something as drastic (or in the USA, inhumane) as incarceration over it.

I seek to distance myself from them by making the case for prostitution, in and of itself.

Firstly, a recurring theme in my posts, child support law. The vast majority of guys have sex before they can afford kids, yet in their capacity as voters they leave the few whose partners kept the baby having to drop out of school and go into poverty to pay child support. Would it not be more ethical to pool the resources of every guy who's having sex before he can afford kids, so that when the risk ends badly, the costs are spread out among everyone, which is what we already do for other kinds of risks through insurance? The most popular "solution" to this problem is to just ask her before sex whether or not she intends to keep the baby, which under the law is completely irrelevant to how much child support is owed, let alone whether or not the gov't picks up the tab until he's back on his feet. If the risk of dire poverty cannot deter normal males from sex anyway, why not just pool the resources of everyone who took the same risk?

Secondly, on a somewhat related note, despite the reputation, accurately or not, of prostitution for being about women selling sexual services to men, even those men in practice are known for genuinely trying to pleasure her anyway, which leaves the question of why it isn't mostly men selling sexual services to women and not the other way around. (Or if is, how the reputation otherwise even developed.) If it's because women are content with the guys they can seduce into having sex with her for free, then surely scrapping the stigma against it would go a long way to finding out for sure and having confirmation one way or another, would it not? If it's because child support law makes guys realize that whatever sexual services he sells to women he might lose all that money from and more, why not just scrap it, and see how many guys sell sexual services, and in the process, use which guys make the most money off it as a clue, however imperfect, to who women are the most attracted to? Because the average person's current basis for assuming which guys women are most attracted to is his number of sexual partners (see also; those who mock the Pope for being a virgin) and that's not really a valid assumption under current circumstances with their current risks (see above paragraph) that being attractive can't get you out of anyway.

If nothing else, it's a social experiment that would provide valuable insight into human nature the "social sciences" never could.

What say you, NSG?

I mean with it people will always be horny so they are needed and more jobs and more money and more taxes the only not good thing is stds but we can do checks on those who have a license

[Nevertopia]

Im conflicted, on one hand I want prostitution but on the other I dont want to pay for sex.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

I mean with it people will always be horny so they are needed and more jobs and more money and more taxes the only not good thing is stds but we can do checks on those who have a license

STDs aren’t the issue. If they were, the stigma against unpaid unprotected casual sex would be just as strong as the stigma against paid unprotected casual sex. The relevant factor in STDs is whether you use protection with casual partners, not whether or not you pay them.

But again, my issue here is not with whether people will do it anyway but whether it necessarily needs to be a bad thing anyway.

[Ethel mermania]

Prostitution is a fine business i have no moral qualms with it.


As to why more women selling sex than men, the answer is demand.

[Diuhon]

It goes without saying that I both agree and will not look into why I should agree. Sex is good. All you need is sex. Sex, sex, sex. Sex is all you need.

[Nilokeras]

it truly is amazing how you can take any topic - from abortion to this, the abolition of a mode of sexual exploitation - and find a way to make it all about you and your own sexual anxiety

[GuessTheAltAccount]

it truly is amazing how you can take any topic - from abortion to this, the abolition of a mode of sexual exploitation - and find a way to make it all about you and your own sexual anxiety

I’ve told you before that I focus on sexual psychology here more, and other topics here less, than on other sites because this is the site that shaped my views on sexual psychology in the first place.

If you doubted me on it, you could have said so then and there. If not, that should have been the end of it. Either way I shouldn’t need to tell you twice.

[Hamid Ghazi]

Sounds absurd. Use a condom...if you don't trust those (or your partner for that matter) get a vasectomy.

If you use condoms perfectly every single time you have sex, they’re 98% effective at preventing pregnancy. But people aren’t perfect, so in real life condoms are about 85% effective

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn ... re-condoms

Personally I'm disgusted by the idea of putting a price on sex, that's just me though. The potential for exploitation is perhaps the highest of any form of employment here, even in countries that have it regulated and legalized.

[Saiwania]

The potential for exploitation is perhaps the highest of any form of employment here, even in countries that have it regulated and legalized.

Not particularly persuasive, given that exploitation will happen whether it is legal or not, because the unmet demand exists to too much of an extent- and can be said about most other forms of wage labor.

I can't vouch for whether this is true in most cases, but some sex workers report that they get better pay and conditions than people who signed up for military service and went to war in actually being deployed.

Sex work is targeted negatively, primarily because there is a Puritan stigma against it, and it's blamed for STD spread. When behind the scenes, diseases get transmitted all the time by regular people who are careless or risk takers.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Sounds absurd. Use a condom...if you don't trust those (or your partner for that matter) get a vasectomy.

If you use condoms perfectly every single time you have sex, they’re 98% effective at preventing pregnancy. But people aren’t perfect, so in real life condoms are about 85% effective

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn ... re-condoms

Personally I'm disgusted by the idea of putting a price on sex, that's just me though. The potential for exploitation is perhaps the highest of any form of employment here, even in countries that have it regulated and legalized.

Possibly because the stigmatization involved has given those involved less to lose than everyone else, and thus cut down on the effectiveness of “deterrence” compare to everyone else? Imagine how much better it’d work with the legal system picking its battles and focusing on actual coercion instead of overreacting to whatever “disgusts” people.

All this “trust” talk for the most part comes from the same people who dismiss the people who DON’T take the risk as not attractive enough to get laid anyway (shows what they know) and yet if they DO take the risk, get left hung out to dry. An idea borne of hypocrisy.

As for getting a vasectomy in one’s teen years, somehow I doubt most people who preach that practice what they preach so that’s another idea borne of hypocrisy.

[Senkaku]

As for getting a vasectomy in one’s teen years, somehow I doubt most people who preach that practice what they preach so that’s another idea borne of hypocrisy.

You can get it reversed when you outgrow this whole “they’re out to trap me” phase

[Nilokeras]

it truly is amazing how you can take any topic - from abortion to this, the abolition of a mode of sexual exploitation - and find a way to make it all about you and your own sexual anxiety

I’ve told you before that I focus on sexual psychology here more, and other topics here less, than on other sites because this is the site that shaped my views on sexual psychology in the first place.

If you doubted me on it, you could have said so then and there. If not, that should have been the end of it. Either way I shouldn’t need to tell you twice.

For once I'm not questioning your choice of topic

I'm standing in slack jawed amazement at the though process required to come up with a justification for legalizing prostitution that is centered around its ability to turn every sexual act into a commercial transaction that you can litigate, purely as a way of navigating your anxiety around the sexual act and the human connections it inherently contains

[Saiwania]

You can get it reversed when you outgrow this whole “they’re out to trap me” phase

I'm going to have to call BS on that. Vasectomies can't always be reversed, and it is inherently taking the risk that you're sterile for good afterwards. Asides from it altering your physical body in a significant and impactful way.

Philosophically speaking, is a male still truly a man if he doesn't or no longer has the ability to get a fertile woman pregnant?

[GuessTheAltAccount]

As for getting a vasectomy in one’s teen years, somehow I doubt most people who preach that practice what they preach so that’s another idea borne of hypocrisy.

You can get it reversed when you outgrow this whole “they’re out to trap me” phase

Funny how you attribute it to immaturity, and not to the fact that the people dismissive of it have been wrong about everything else.

But I’ll bite. Suppose it is. Why is someone having an opinion you consider immature a stronger case for sterilization than, let’s say, California doing it to prisoners? Last I recall this site’s opinions on the matter were not so favourable. If the fact that reversals fail was relevant there, why not here?

[Kerwa]

You were just born too soon. In a decade or so I imagine there’ll be sexbots to solve this issue. Also, most likely, your most significant relationship will be with your cell phone’s AI.

I’m a bit of a futurist though.

[Dtn]

this is the site that shaped my views on sexual psychology in the first place.

[Qassemist Soviet Iraq]

You can get it reversed when you outgrow this whole “they’re out to trap me” phase

Funny how you attribute it to immaturity, and not to the fact that the people dismissive of it have been wrong about everything else.

But I’ll bite. Suppose it is. Why is someone having an opinion you consider immature a stronger case for sterilization than, let’s say, California doing it to prisoners? Last I recall this site’s opinions on the matter were not so favourable. If the fact that reversals fail was relevant there, why not here?

Because some people deem conformity to be the measure of maturity. I, frankly, do not.

[Cannot think of a name]

You can get it reversed when you outgrow this whole “they’re out to trap me” phase

Funny how you attribute it to immaturity, and not to the fact that the people dismissive of it have been wrong about everything else.

But I’ll bite. Suppose it is. Why is someone having an opinion you consider immature a stronger case for sterilization than, let’s say, California doing it to prisoners? Last I recall this site’s opinions on the matter were not so favourable. If the fact that reversals fail was relevant there, why not here?

Well, I think I'd start of with one being a choice you make because you're that paranoid and the other one being done to people by the institution literally holding them prisoner.

Off the top of my head.

[Cannot think of a name]

I just want to put it out there for some who seem to have never actually experienced this yet:

There's a wooooooorld of difference between "I'm horny n'any hole will do" and "we're horny for each other." Servicing the first desire will not put an end to the second kind.

I mean, if just 'getting off' was enough, masturbation would have solved this shit all on its own, Pornhub would be doing god's work.

But nah man, I hope you get to experience this at some point in your life, but someone wanting to have sex with you, specifically, and it's a feeling you return? Best ride in the park. It's different. Subsidizing a prostitute isn't going to change that.

[Saiwania]

..but someone wanting to have sex with you, specifically, and it's a feeling you return? Best ride in the park. It's different. Subsidizing a prostitute isn't going to change that.

We've got to assume that at least some people are in the "forever alone" category and are incapable of romance or just are never going to be into that. If someone doesn't mesh well with other people by default, in terms of building a relationship, a prostitute is the more perfect solution for such people.

Who knows? Some people could hire one once, and move on and become more content with how they are, if they decide what they're missing isn't such a big deal that they can live without. It more crossing something off of one's bucket list.

If certain people are denied that however, they're going to be left wondering and risk being more unstable than otherwise. I'd rather people have outlets and vices available. It benefits the economy and perhaps more beyond that.

[Luminesa]

it truly is amazing how you can take any topic - from abortion to this, the abolition of a mode of sexual exploitation - and find a way to make it all about you and your own sexual anxiety

I’ve told you before that I focus on sexual psychology here more, and other topics here less, than on other sites because this is the site that shaped my views on sexual psychology in the first place.

If you doubted me on it, you could have said so then and there. If not, that should have been the end of it. Either way I shouldn’t need to tell you twice.

This thread is now officially r/NSersPostingTheirL'sonNSG.

[Thomasi]

Nope, and online sex work should be considered prostitution and banned as well.

It should be an automatic 1 year minimum in prison even if they report someone for refusing to pay them after doing the act or if people steal their content. If they aren't in physical danger they shouldn't be protected under the law.

They should also require pornographic sites to require personal identification to access to prove people are over 18 are watching it.

[Thomasi]

Im conflicted, on one hand I want prostitution but on the other I dont want to pay for sex.

The monetization of sex is destroying society, so many young women now see it as a legitimate way to make money. Charging for sex should out right be banned, and somehow people have bastardized sex work into being a womens rights thing.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

I just want to put it out there for some who seem to have never actually experienced this yet:

There's a wooooooorld of difference between "I'm horny n'any hole will do" and "we're horny for each other." Servicing the first desire will not put an end to the second kind.

I mean, if just 'getting off' was enough, masturbation would have solved this shit all on its own, Pornhub would be doing god's work.

But nah man, I hope you get to experience this at some point in your life, but someone wanting to have sex with you, specifically, and it's a feeling you return? Best ride in the park. It's different. Subsidizing a prostitute isn't going to change that.

Hence the “secondly” point referring to the potential of this to free up guys to sell sex to women without risking losing all their earnings and then some to one customer. It would be interesting to find out how many guys sell sex under those circumstances and/or which men women would pay a premium to sleep with. (Er… assuming the disclosure thereof is voluntary on the part of all involved, that is. Or at least omits identifying info where requested.)