Police: Heroes or Villains?

[Dzeng Trah]

Make France Absolute Again! !!

[Necroghastia]

Police protect and serve us. What would society be without a strong police force? anarchy! and nobody would be safe!

They only serve to protect

Such serve. Very protect.

[Forever Indomitable]

Police protect and serve us. What would society be without a strong police force? anarchy! and nobody would be safe!

See, this is the end point of every pro-law enforcement argument: fear. They fear the world and anything "bad" that might happen. It is an appeal to cowardice and dependence. Why should society be dictated by servile hedonism? It shouldn't. I'd rather be a wolf than a dog - both might have fangs, but a dog is nothing but a slave.

[Ayytaly]

Police protect and serve us. What would society be without a strong police force? anarchy! and nobody would be safe!

See, this is the end point of every pro-law enforcement argument: fear. They fear the world and anything "bad" that might happen. It is an appeal to cowardice and dependence. Why should society be dictated by servile hedonism? It shouldn't. I'd rather be a wolf than a dog - both might have fangs, but a dog is nothing but a slave.

A wolf gets mauled by bears

[Floofybit]

Police protect and serve us. What would society be without a strong police force? anarchy! and nobody would be safe!

See, this is the end point of every pro-law enforcement argument: fear. They fear the world and anything "bad" that might happen. It is an appeal to cowardice and dependence. Why should society be dictated by servile hedonism? It shouldn't. I'd rather be a wolf than a dog - both might have fangs, but a dog is nothing but a slave.

See, this is the end point of every pro-crime argument: ego. They fear cops and rush to call out minor mistakes the might happen. It is an appeal to ego and selfishness. Why should society be dictated by liberal wokeism? It shouldn't. I'd rather not live in a world full of drug addicts, and murderers who don't get arrested. People who follow ACAB are overly cocky and are corrupted by a devilish liberal agenda. You say, "Oh, I'll just defend myself with a gun!" but don't come crying to me when you realize the person breaking in is better with a gun than you, and you wish a cop would come and stop him from destroying your property.

[American Legionaries]

See, this is the end point of every pro-law enforcement argument: fear. They fear the world and anything "bad" that might happen. It is an appeal to cowardice and dependence. Why should society be dictated by servile hedonism? It shouldn't. I'd rather be a wolf than a dog - both might have fangs, but a dog is nothing but a slave.

See, this is the end point of every pro-crime argument: ego. They fear cops and rush to call out minor mistakes the might happen. It is an appeal to ego and selfishness. Why should society be dictated by liberal wokeism? It shouldn't. I'd rather not live in a world full of drug addicts, and murderers who don't get arrested. People who follow ACAB are overly cocky and are corrupted by a devilish liberal agenda. You say, "Oh, I'll just defend myself with a gun!" but don't come crying to me when you realize the person breaking in is better with a gun than you, and you wish a cop would come and stop him from destroying your property.

I'm better with a gun than most cops...

[Ayytaly]

See, this is the end point of every pro-law enforcement argument: fear. They fear the world and anything "bad" that might happen. It is an appeal to cowardice and dependence. Why should society be dictated by servile hedonism? It shouldn't. I'd rather be a wolf than a dog - both might have fangs, but a dog is nothing but a slave.

See, this is the end point of every pro-crime argument: ego. They fear cops and rush to call out minor mistakes the might happen. It is an appeal to ego and selfishness. Why should society be dictated by liberal wokeism? It shouldn't. I'd rather not live in a world full of drug addicts, and murderers who don't get arrested. People who follow ACAB are overly cocky and are corrupted by a devilish liberal agenda. You say, "Oh, I'll just defend myself with a gun!" but don't come crying to me when you realize the person breaking in is better with a gun than you, and you wish a cop would come and stop him from destroying your property.

Most of those are no-knock policy cops

[Floofybit]

See, this is the end point of every pro-crime argument: ego. They fear cops and rush to call out minor mistakes the might happen. It is an appeal to ego and selfishness. Why should society be dictated by liberal wokeism? It shouldn't. I'd rather not live in a world full of drug addicts, and murderers who don't get arrested. People who follow ACAB are overly cocky and are corrupted by a devilish liberal agenda. You say, "Oh, I'll just defend myself with a gun!" but don't come crying to me when you realize the person breaking in is better with a gun than you, and you wish a cop would come and stop him from destroying your property.

Mosy of those are no-knock policy cops

I mean, when you've commited a crime, this is perfectly just

[The Cheltonian Republic]

See, this is the end point of every pro-crime argument: ego. They fear cops and rush to call out minor mistakes the might happen. It is an appeal to ego and selfishness. Why should society be dictated by liberal wokeism? It shouldn't. I'd rather not live in a world full of drug addicts, and murderers who don't get arrested. People who follow ACAB are overly cocky and are corrupted by a devilish liberal agenda. You say, "Oh, I'll just defend myself with a gun!" but don't come crying to me when you realize the person breaking in is better with a gun than you, and you wish a cop would come and stop him from destroying your property.

I'm better with a gun than most cops...

Even whilst asleep?

Also,
1. Are you in favour of abolishing all government?
And follow up questions
2. If there’s no military, what’s to stop another government with an Air Force from firebombing your house?
3. If there’s a government, who arrests deserters from the military and/or benefit cheats?

[Floofybit]

See, this is the end point of every pro-crime argument: ego. They fear cops and rush to call out minor mistakes the might happen. It is an appeal to ego and selfishness. Why should society be dictated by liberal wokeism? It shouldn't. I'd rather not live in a world full of drug addicts, and murderers who don't get arrested. People who follow ACAB are overly cocky and are corrupted by a devilish liberal agenda. You say, "Oh, I'll just defend myself with a gun!" but don't come crying to me when you realize the person breaking in is better with a gun than you, and you wish a cop would come and stop him from destroying your property.

I'm better with a gun than most cops...

Show me proof. Duel at midnight, see who's the swiftest.

Also, you are acting too cocky to realize that you're not

[American Legionaries]

I'm better with a gun than most cops...

Show me proof. Duel at midnight, see who's the swiftest.

Also, you are acting too cocky to realize that you're not

It's not cockiness, it's just bog standard reason. Most cops are fucking awful with their service pistols, much less patrol rifles or anything they use even less frequently.

[Ayytaly]

Mosy of those are no-knock policy cops

I mean, when you've commited a crime, this is perfectly just

Reminder that this always happens when bitter online players SWAT the guys that kick their asses in Halo.

[Floofybit]

Show me proof. Duel at midnight, see who's the swiftest.

Also, you are acting too cocky to realize that you're not

It's not cockiness, it's just bog standard reason. Most cops are fucking awful with their service pistols, much less patrol rifles or anything they use even less frequently.

You sure? You, some person not going out to make a difference and just playing a silly little roleplaying game is better than someone with training.

Also, let's see how you do with a gun in life of death situations

[American Legionaries]

I'm better with a gun than most cops...

Even whilst asleep?

Also,
1. Are you in favour of abolishing all government?
And follow up questions
2. If there’s no military, what’s to stop another government with an Air Force from firebombing your house?
3. If there’s a government, who arrests deserters from the military and/or benefit cheats?

I'm probably better than a significant portion of cops while asleep, yes. Although I don't see how that's relevant.

1. No, just this one.
2. Who said anything about the military?
3. The government would clearly arrest deserters from the armed forces, also what's a 'benefit cheat'?

[Floofybit]

I mean, when you've commited a crime, this is perfectly just

Reminder that this always happens when bitter online players SWAT the guys that kick their asses in Halo.

What an interesting strawman

[Floofybit]

Even whilst asleep?

Also,
1. Are you in favour of abolishing all government?
And follow up questions
2. If there’s no military, what’s to stop another government with an Air Force from firebombing your house?
3. If there’s a government, who arrests deserters from the military and/or benefit cheats?

I'm probably better than a significant portion of cops while asleep, yes. Although I don't see how that's relevant.

1. No, just this one.
2. Who said anything about the military?
3. The government would clearly arrest deserters from the armed forces, also what's a 'benefit cheat'?

How would they be arrested if theres no police?

[American Legionaries]

It's not cockiness, it's just bog standard reason. Most cops are fucking awful with their service pistols, much less patrol rifles or anything they use even less frequently.

You sure? You, some person not going out to make a difference and just playing a silly little roleplaying game is better than someone with training.

I'm certain. Also, I wasn't aware that posting on NationStates degraded my capacity to use a firearm.

Also, let's see how you do with a gun in life of death situations

Decently well, thank you.

[Floofybit]

You sure? You, some person not going out to make a difference and just playing a silly little roleplaying game is better than someone with training.

I'm certain. Also, I wasn't aware that posting on NationStates degraded my capacity to use a firearm.

Also, let's see how you do with a gun in life of death situations

Decently well, thank you.

Of course. Classic pro-crime cockyness.

[American Legionaries]

I'm certain. Also, I wasn't aware that posting on NationStates degraded my capacity to use a firearm.



Decently well, thank you.

Of course. Classic pro-crime cockyness.

Indeed, classic pro-oppression hate.

[San Lumen]

Police protect and serve us. What would society be without a strong police force? anarchy! and nobody would be safe!

See, this is the end point of every pro-law enforcement argument: fear. They fear the world and anything "bad" that might happen. It is an appeal to cowardice and dependence. Why should society be dictated by servile hedonism? It shouldn't. I'd rather be a wolf than a dog - both might have fangs, but a dog is nothing but a slave.

What is your argument again the police? What's your proposed alternative?

[Floofybit]

Of course. Classic pro-crime cockyness.

Indeed, classic pro-oppression hate.

Hate? Where am I showing hate? Also, I'd rather have oppression than crime

[American Legionaries]

Indeed, classic pro-oppression hate.

Hate? Where am I showing hate? Also, I'd rather have oppression than crime

Your very post shows hate. And of course you'd rather have oppression than crime, that you prefer this doesn't make it not evil.

[Floofybit]

Hate? Where am I showing hate? Also, I'd rather have oppression than crime

Your very post shows hate. And of course you'd rather have oppression than crime, that you prefer this doesn't make it not evil.

Specifics? What specifics show a burning, seething hatred?

[American Legionaries]

Your very post shows hate. And of course you'd rather have oppression than crime, that you prefer this doesn't make it not evil.

Specifics? What specifics show a burning, seething hatred?

You prefer oppression to crime. You would rather hurt people who've done nothing wrong than suffer the presence of people you hate.

[Nilokeras]

It only takes one murderer to murder someone. Also, burglaries are less common in areas that spend more on the police.
Most house burglaries are committed by a minority of people who commonly commit more than one burglary in their lifetime.

Crime in general does not correlate with police spending.

If they’re in prison they can’t burgle houses.

And yet, they're not there - the clearance rate for crimes like burglary is abysmally low. Which makes sense when you think about the actual crime of burglary: it's a crime of opportunity, where people target houses or cars the perpetrators think are unoccupied and by the time the owner comes back, they're long gone. When the police officer shows up all they can do is take down statements on what was taken and maybe look for evidence that might lead them to a suspect. If you're lucky, the homeowners have a CCTV camera or something that gets a grainy picture of a person or a rented box van out front. Solving that kind of crime post hoc is incredibly difficult, and given all of the other tasks a police officer has to do in a day these sorts of investigations obviously are not a priority. It's also not something giving the police more money will solve because there oftentimes just isn't any evidence to go off of. If your car windows get smashed and your backpack is stolen out of the back in a big parking lot with no CCTV and no prints, what is there for any police officer to do?

It's almost as though this intensely reactive, authority-driven approach to the problem of crime is getting it entirely backwards.