Police: Heroes or Villains?

[Floofybit]

Do you not understand how banks work? If I have $5,000 in my bank account and then someone robs $5,000 from my local bank, I still have $5,000 in my account. That specific branch will probably close for a few days, but I won't lose any money. I can still make a withdrawal from an ATM. I can still use online bank transfers. I can still write cheques. I can still use my debit card. I can go to a different branch to do any in-person banking I need to do. Only the bank loses money.

Even if the bank fails, the first $250,000 a person has in it is insured by the federal government.

Depending on the doctrine, they have to help or not?

The doctrine states,
"A duty to rescue arises where a person creates a hazardous situation. If another person then falls into peril because of this hazardous situation, the creator of the hazard – who may not necessarily have been a negligent tortfeasor – has a duty to rescue the individual in peril.
Such a duty may also arise where a "special relationship" exists. For example:
Parents have a duty to rescue their minor children. This duty also applies to those acting in loco parentis, such as schools or babysitters."

Seems a bit to me like you have to rescue people in danger

This specific case is about women who called the police about a home intruder, the police didn't respond in the correct manner, and the women were consequently raped. The women the sued the police, and the Supreme Court ruled the women didn't have a right to sue.

"the duty to provide public services is owed to the public at large, and, absent a special relationship between the police and an individual, no specific legal duty exists"

The police have no duty to protect you from a crime.

And past that 250,000 dollars?

[Dumb Ideologies]

I hereby promise that this plan-scheme will only impact the 90% of money with ties to usury, landlordism, capitalist business ownership, market speculation, and inheritance. All money that has proportionate ties to amount of work will be entirely safe.

I hope you find this suitably reassuring.

So you stealing for capitalist business ownership?! So you're stealing from local businesses who are barely scraping by. Where are you gonna get groceries or food, or basic necessities as they are all capitalist ownership

The stealing part happens on the part of the owners actually by using their position of power to withhold the full value of the labour of their staff. I'm quite sure the stores could function with cooperative ownership, however there will be a policy that you and a selection of other specially chosen individuals will queue for stale bread for several hours a day to ensure that your expectations are met.

[Ifreann]

I hereby promise that this plan-scheme will only impact the 90% of money with ties to usury, landlordism, capitalist business ownership, market speculation, and inheritance. All money that has proportionate ties to amount of work will be entirely safe.

I hope you find this suitably reassuring.

So you stealing for capitalist business ownership?! So you're stealing from local businesses who are barely scraping by. Where are you gonna get groceries or food, or basic necessities as they are all capitalist ownership

Again, when you steal from a bank, it's the bank that loses money, not their customers.

[Floofybit]

So you stealing for capitalist business ownership?! So you're stealing from local businesses who are barely scraping by. Where are you gonna get groceries or food, or basic necessities as they are all capitalist ownership

The stealing part happens on the part of the owners actually by using their position of power to withhold the full value of the labour of their staff. I'm quite sure the stores could function with cooperative ownership, however there will be a policy that you and a selection of other specially chosen individuals will queue for stale bread for several hours a day to ensure that your expectations are met.

Alright, considering you are PRO-CRIME I would like to ask this. If a drug dealer was selling products, POISONOUS TO INGEST, CAUSING CERTAIN DEATH, should they be let go?

[Spirit of Hope]

Even if the bank fails, the first $250,000 a person has in it is insured by the federal government.



This specific case is about women who called the police about a home intruder, the police didn't respond in the correct manner, and the women were consequently raped. The women the sued the police, and the Supreme Court ruled the women didn't have a right to sue.

"the duty to provide public services is owed to the public at large, and, absent a special relationship between the police and an individual, no specific legal duty exists"

The police have no duty to protect you from a crime.

And past that 250,000 dollars?

If the bank fails completely and you have over $250,000 in one account, then everything over that $250,000 would be lost. Bank robberies have never been an issue that has caused banks to fail, the insurance is to deal with banks failing due to macro economic factors. Should also be noted that only about a quarter of Americans have more than $10,000 in savings, if you have over $250,000 you aren't exactly poor. Plus you can have multiple different accounts open, each insured up to $250,000.

But thats wondering away from the point. The current state of police in the US is rather terrible.

[Floofybit]

And past that 250,000 dollars?

If the bank fails completely and you have over $250,000 in one account, then everything over that $250,000 would be lost. Bank robberies have never been an issue that has caused banks to fail, the insurance is to deal with banks failing due to macro economic factors. Should also be noted that only about a quarter of Americans have more than $10,000 in savings, if you have over $250,000 you aren't exactly poor. Plus you can have multiple different accounts open, each insured up to $250,000.

But thats wondering away from the point. The current state of police in the US is rather terrible.

Terrible? I rarely see any police violence cases on Fox News

[Ifreann]

If the bank fails completely and you have over $250,000 in one account, then everything over that $250,000 would be lost. Bank robberies have never been an issue that has caused banks to fail, the insurance is to deal with banks failing due to macro economic factors. Should also be noted that only about a quarter of Americans have more than $10,000 in savings, if you have over $250,000 you aren't exactly poor. Plus you can have multiple different accounts open, each insured up to $250,000.

But thats wondering away from the point. The current state of police in the US is rather terrible.

Terrible? I rarely see any police violence cases on Fox News

Starting to think you're not being serious.

[Sordhau]

If the bank fails completely and you have over $250,000 in one account, then everything over that $250,000 would be lost. Bank robberies have never been an issue that has caused banks to fail, the insurance is to deal with banks failing due to macro economic factors. Should also be noted that only about a quarter of Americans have more than $10,000 in savings, if you have over $250,000 you aren't exactly poor. Plus you can have multiple different accounts open, each insured up to $250,000.

But thats wondering away from the point. The current state of police in the US is rather terrible.

Terrible? I rarely see any police violence cases on Fox News

That's because Fox is a mouthpiece for the GOP, which is pro-cop. Why would they present evidence that disproves their own narrative? That's not how propaganda works.

[Spirit of Hope]

If the bank fails completely and you have over $250,000 in one account, then everything over that $250,000 would be lost. Bank robberies have never been an issue that has caused banks to fail, the insurance is to deal with banks failing due to macro economic factors. Should also be noted that only about a quarter of Americans have more than $10,000 in savings, if you have over $250,000 you aren't exactly poor. Plus you can have multiple different accounts open, each insured up to $250,000.

But thats wondering away from the point. The current state of police in the US is rather terrible.

Terrible? I rarely see any police violence cases on Fox News

Maybe that's an issue with your choice of news source? And it isn't just violence but other issues as well? I've already linked you showing police overwhelming stop and search innocent people. Sometimes they just steal peoples money too.

[Dumb Ideologies]

The stealing part happens on the part of the owners actually by using their position of power to withhold the full value of the labour of their staff. I'm quite sure the stores could function with cooperative ownership, however there will be a policy that you and a selection of other specially chosen individuals will queue for stale bread for several hours a day to ensure that your expectations are met.

Alright, considering you are PRO-CRIME I would like to ask this. If a drug dealer was selling products, POISONOUS TO INGEST, CAUSING CERTAIN DEATH, should they be let go?

Why are you type-shouting? Is there something wrong with your caps lock?

It is not a matter of being pro crime (italics, bold, spinning text, "wow" sound effect), more a matter of only being particularly outraged about contravention of those laws that are in the general interest of the population rather than those founded on protecting wealth.

The dealer of these insta death drugs is going to a farm that doesn't have telephones.

[Floofybit]

Terrible? I rarely see any police violence cases on Fox News

Starting to think you're not being serious.

I think that the people are saying everyone should rob a bank can't be serious

[Floofybit]

Alright, considering you are PRO-CRIME I would like to ask this. If a drug dealer was selling products, POISONOUS TO INGEST, CAUSING CERTAIN DEATH, should they be let go?

Why are you type-shouting? Is there something wrong with your caps lock?

It is not a matter of being pro crime (italics, bold, spinning text, "wow" sound effect), more a matter of only being particularly outraged about contravention of those laws that are in the general interest of the population rather than those founded on protecting wealth.

The dealer of these insta death drugs is going to a farm that doesn't have telephones.

So you just let these people die? Also, telephones aren't the only lead police get silly goose

[Sordhau]

Starting to think you're not being serious.

I think that the people are saying everyone should rob a bank can't be serious

No one is saying that but nice strawman.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Starting to think you're not being serious.

I think that the people are saying everyone should rob a bank can't be serious

Well then it looks like we're all stuck in a Mexican silly-off.

[Floofybit]

Terrible? I rarely see any police violence cases on Fox News

That's because Fox is a mouthpiece for the GOP, which is pro-cop. Why would they present evidence that disproves their own narrative? That's not how propaganda works.

I only said this because y'all used MISES as a source, a mouthpiece for liberals, which is anti-cop.

[Floofybit]

I think that the people are saying everyone should rob a bank can't be serious

No one is saying that but nice strawman.

Unfortunately, someone already said so

If someone robs the bank, do you expect them to just get away with it?

Yes.

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[Spirit of Hope]

No one is saying that but nice strawman.

Unfortunately, someone already said so

Yes.

That isn't Ifreann saying people should rob banks, but that bank robbers aren't necessarily worth chasing down.

[Sordhau]

That's because Fox is a mouthpiece for the GOP, which is pro-cop. Why would they present evidence that disproves their own narrative? That's not how propaganda works.

I only said this because y'all used MISES as a source, a mouthpiece for liberals, which is anti-cop.

I don't even know what that is.

No one is saying that but nice strawman.

Unfortunately, someone already said so

Yes.

That wasn't an endorsement of the act; he's saying the cops probably aren't going to catch him. Considering how low the statistics are for cops solving crime he's probably right too.

[Ifreann]

Theft is an economic crime, people commit economic crimes for economic reasons. If someone needs money, and can get it from a bank without hurting anyone, then I'm fine with that person getting away with their crime.

[Sordhau]

Theft is an economic crime, people commit economic crimes for economic reasons. If someone needs money, and can get it from a bank without hurting anyone, then I'm fine with that person getting away with their crime.

They're not stealing from the bank though, they're stealing from the people using the bank to store their money.

[Rakhalia]

Theft is an economic crime, people commit economic crimes for economic reasons. If someone needs money, and can get it from a bank without hurting anyone, then I'm fine with that person getting away with their crime.

They're not stealing from the bank though, they're stealing from the people using the bank to store their money.

It's all insured anyway. The only people being hurt are the investors.

[Ayytaly]

They're not stealing from the bank though, they're stealing from the people using the bank to store their money.

It's all insured anyway. The only people being hurt are the investors.

Tell that to people traumatized being held at gunpoint.

[Rakhalia]

It's all insured anyway. The only people being hurt are the investors.

Tell that to people traumatized being held at gunpoint.

That's a totally different question; we're talking about the hypothetical economic implications of bank robbery. Of course nobody's actually advocating we rob banks, that'd be silly.

[Floofybit]

Tell that to people traumatized being held at gunpoint.

That's a totally different question; we're talking about the hypothetical economic implications of bank robbery. Of course nobody's actually advocating we rob banks, that'd be silly.

If we didn't have police, everyone could rob banks and DO CRIME all they wanted