Police: Heroes or Villains?

[Rakhalia]

Considering how a recent amber alert left the missing child shot dead by the police, I'd suggest this isn't quite the case.

You have not the slightest idea of how many amber alert cases are solved by police. It's way more than you think.

Also, you say that this would be solved if you had a gun instead. But at least police have training. You don't. If all y'all had a gun, and there was no one to stop shootings, imagine how much hell that would put you through. Just saying

Bringing up police efficiency in response to shootings with Uvalde in recent memory? Doing yourself no favour.

Blaming the victim for not orienting their schedules around the distance from the nearest police car is fucked up, yes.

No. If you don't have a police nearby, maybe, just maybe, they need more funding. You'd do the same with paramedics, wouldn't you? Also, I disagree. I thinks it's f-ed up to not live near protection

the US police get enough funding, as Nilo pointed out in an earlier post. a shitton of funding. enough to afford a generous amount of military surplus even. mfers driving around in armoured cars like a fucking KKKmobile and you're like "THEY NEED *MORE* FUNDING!" fundamentally if the police feel the need to get in an arms race with their citizenry then i don't trust them. this isnt hard to understand

[American Legionaries]

Blaming the victim for not orienting their schedules around the distance from the nearest police car is fucked up, yes.

No. If you don't have a police nearby, maybe, just maybe, they need more funding. You'd do the same with paramedics, wouldn't you? Also, I disagree. I thinks it's f-ed up to not live near protection

At what level of funding do the police post an officer at my house 24/7 (ignoring the fact that such a policy would be horrifying)?

[Ifreann]

There was no defunding of the police, the police are enormously well funded.

Victim blaming.

They need more funding if you really want more protection.

That way when they should up an hour late they'll kill the family dog with a grenade launcher instead of a handgun, wow, so helpful.

Also, victim blaming? So I'm not allowed to say the victim did something wrong?

You're saying that if a person is attacked in their own home then it isn't that the police failed to protect them, it's that they are at fault for not living closer to the police.

[American Legionaries]

Blaming the victim for not orienting their schedules around the distance from the nearest police car is fucked up, yes.

No. If you don't have a police nearby, maybe, just maybe, they need more funding. You'd do the same with paramedics, wouldn't you? Also, I disagree. I thinks it's f-ed up to not live near protection

Paramedics aren't comparable to police.

[Uiiop]

You have not the slightest idea of how many amber alert cases are solved by police. It's way more than you think.

Also, you say that this would be solved if you had a gun instead. But at least police have training. You don't. If all y'all had a gun, and there was no one to stop shootings, imagine how much hell that would put you through. Just saying

Bringing up police efficiency in response to shootings with Uvalde in recent memory? Doing yourself no favour.

No. If you don't have a police nearby, maybe, just maybe, they need more funding. You'd do the same with paramedics, wouldn't you? Also, I disagree. I thinks it's f-ed up to not live near protection

the US police get enough funding, as Nilo pointed out in an earlier post. a shitton of funding. enough to afford a generous amount of military surplus even. mfers driving around in armoured cars like a fucking KKKmobile and you're like "THEY NEED *MORE* FUNDING!" fundamentally if the police feel the need to get in an arms race with their citizenry then i don't trust them. this isnt hard to understand

I find it really odd that “police can’t fail only be failed on” is such an null assumption that they don’t have to actually to prove any counter assertion to criticism.

Why should we just believe that police just need an unknown increase in the budget and love to fix itself? Y’all literally bring no evidence other than accusing everyone who disagrees with you on this of not supporting the “Groups that protects us from harm” definition that not even anarchists as an whole really reject. Different from the status quo? Yes but even they want some form of law enforcement. We all just don’t think just continuing the same funding increases and just being nice to the police is going to fix things.

[Floofybit]

They need more funding if you really want more protection.

That way when they should up an hour late they'll kill the family dog with a grenade launcher instead of a handgun, wow, so helpful.

Also, victim blaming? So I'm not allowed to say the victim did something wrong?

You're saying that if a person is attacked in their own home then it isn't that the police failed to protect them, it's that they are at fault for not living closer to the police.

No, with more funding, there are more police stations, therefore, coming to save you faster.

Also, your dog analogy is outlandish

[Floofybit]

No. If you don't have a police nearby, maybe, just maybe, they need more funding. You'd do the same with paramedics, wouldn't you? Also, I disagree. I thinks it's f-ed up to not live near protection

Paramedics aren't comparable to police.

Yes they are. They both try to save you and serve you.

[Rakhalia]

Also, your dog analogy is outlandish

https://qz.com/870601/police-killing-do ... epartment/

Laurel Matthews, a program specialist with the US Department of Justice’s community-oriented policing services office, says fatal encounters are an “epidemic” and estimates that 25 to 30 pet dogs are killed daily by police.

[American Legionaries]

Paramedics aren't comparable to police.

Yes they are. They both try to save you and serve you.

I must have missed all the paramedics breaking into people's homes and dragging them away at gun point to live in a cement box.

[Rakhalia]

Paramedics aren't comparable to police.

Yes they are. They both try to save you and serve you.

https://mises.org/power-market/police-h ... -yet-again

“Neither the Constitution, nor state law, impose a general duty upon police officers or other governmental officials to protect individual persons from harm — even when they know the harm will occur,” said Darren L. Hutchinson, a professor and associate dean at the University of Florida School of Law.

[Floofybit]

Yes they are. They both try to save you and serve you.

I must have missed all the paramedics breaking into people's homes and dragging them away at gun point to live in a cement box.

Cement box?

[Floofybit]

Yes they are. They both try to save you and serve you.

https://mises.org/power-market/police-h ... -yet-again

“Neither the Constitution, nor state law, impose a general duty upon police officers or other governmental officials to protect individual persons from harm — even when they know the harm will occur,” said Darren L. Hutchinson, a professor and associate dean at the University of Florida School of Law.

But at least someone is there to keep order

[American Legionaries]

I must have missed all the paramedics breaking into people's homes and dragging them away at gun point to live in a cement box.

Cement box?

Prison... Y'know, the place where prisoners live, and the place it's the police's job to put people.

[Rakhalia]

https://mises.org/power-market/police-h ... -yet-again

“Neither the Constitution, nor state law, impose a general duty upon police officers or other governmental officials to protect individual persons from harm — even when they know the harm will occur,” said Darren L. Hutchinson, a professor and associate dean at the University of Florida School of Law.

But at least someone is there to keep order

So despite the vast amounts of evidence provided -- that the police are incredibly well-funded yet fail to solve crimes, that they have no constitutional obligation to protect you - something they aptly demonstrated in Uvalde - you support them out of some vague desire to keep order? What order?

[James_xenoland]

Can't it be both? Wouldn't it have to be both, and everywhere in between, by definition? A lot are heroes, some are scumbags (though not for the reasons I imagine most political tools whine about) most are just doing their job. (which could be heroic and is usually a public good in many cases)

[Ifreann]

That way when they should up an hour late they'll kill the family dog with a grenade launcher instead of a handgun, wow, so helpful.

You're saying that if a person is attacked in their own home then it isn't that the police failed to protect them, it's that they are at fault for not living closer to the police.

No, with more funding, there are more police stations, therefore, coming to save you faster.

They already have enormous funding.

Also, your dog analogy is outlandish

It's not an analogy, cops kill people's dogs all the time. They even kill their own dogs fairly regularly.

[Floofybit]

Cement box?

Prison... Y'know, the place where prisoners live, and the place it's the police's job to put people.

I think police doing this is a good thing, if the person is a criminal

[American Legionaries]

Prison... Y'know, the place where prisoners live, and the place it's the police's job to put people.

I think police doing this is a good thing, if the person is a criminal

Of course you do, I don't.

[Floofybit]

I think police doing this is a good thing, if the person is a criminal

Of course you do, I don't.

So you think murderers should run loose?

[Floofybit]

Also, your dog analogy is outlandish

https://qz.com/870601/police-killing-do ... epartment/

Laurel Matthews, a program specialist with the US Department of Justice’s community-oriented policing services office, says fatal encounters are an “epidemic” and estimates that 25 to 30 pet dogs are killed daily by police.

So? A ton of dogs are get in foreign countries for food too, much more than this

[American Legionaries]

Of course you do, I don't.

So you think murderers should run loose?

I think murderers running loose is a better option than people being put in prison for violating bullshit laws.

[Ifreann]

https://qz.com/870601/police-killing-do ... epartment/

Laurel Matthews, a program specialist with the US Department of Justice’s community-oriented policing services office, says fatal encounters are an “epidemic” and estimates that 25 to 30 pet dogs are killed daily by police.

So? A ton of dogs are get in foreign countries for food too, much more than this

Haha, what? You don't care about the police killing people's pet dogs? Holy shit.

[Floofybit]

So you think murderers should run loose?

I think murderers running loose is a better option than people being put in prison for violating bullshit laws.

Are you serious right now? Tell me you're joking

[Floofybit]

So? A ton of dogs are get in foreign countries for food too, much more than this

Haha, what? You don't care about the police killing people's pet dogs? Holy shit.

I care about crime not getting solved due to a lack of police

[American Legionaries]

I think murderers running loose is a better option than people being put in prison for violating bullshit laws.

Are you serious right now? Tell me you're joking

Of course I'm serious. What kind of monster wants innocent people put in prison?