Police: Heroes or Villains?

[Spirit of Hope]

It's not a privilege to follow the law. You can chose to follow the law no matter what

So what about the mother who shoplifts food to feed her family because they don’t have enough money to pay for food?
Do they just go hungry?

This is a real situation by the way that millions face daily.

Or what about the person who breaks the law to free people who are held in captivity yes the trespassed but they freed a bunch of people who otherwise would have been sold into sex slavery.

Or what about the people who steal medical drugs to care for their dying child and for which they can’t afford to obtain medical care?

Thats just considering laws that most people would consider just (protecting private property).

There are a whole bunch of examples of unjust laws, both current and from history. Examples range from punishments for living on the streets/out of a car (not a lot of other options for the homeless) to being enslaved or killed based on your ethnicity.

Beyond the question of privilege with regards to the ability to follow the law there is also an issue of privilege in how the police investigate crimes. Even through groups may commit crimes at a similar rate, one group may be investigated and punished more for it.

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I'm curious, in a world where nobody has the credentials to judge others, how do the police work?

The police don't judge others. If you do a crime, you get arrested. If not, you're on your merry way

What's the difference between a cop and a hitman? Seriously. A hitman accepts a contract to kill somebody and he doesn't ask if the person deserves to die. Maybe he rigs a bomb up to a car and he has no clue, will an ISIS terrorist be in that car when it blows, or will it be a mom with three little kids in the backseat. He doesn't know and he doesn't care. He just does his job.

How is that any different from a cop who doesn't know or care if the people they arrest deserve it, if they've done anything morally wrong at all, if their life will be ruined, if they're a family's breadwinner, if they'll be raped in prison.

Police and hitmen are both amoral agents of an external force. You may as well just decide upon your actions by rolling a die every day. If it's an even number, volunteer at a soup kitchen, if it's an odd number, shoot the first dog you see.

People should be accountable for what they do. Cops are anything but.

[Rakhalia]

I'm curious, in a world where nobody has the credentials to judge others, how do the police work?

The police don't judge others. If you do a crime, you get arrested. If not, you're on your merry way

The police explicitly judge others. The law is clearly up to interpretation (otherwise a legal system and lawyers would be pointless) and as such it is up to a policeman's judgement as to whether or not to arrest someone upon suspicion of breaking a law.

There's also the fact that laws themselves are merely designed to entrench and fortify the privileges of property-holders, and police are the coercive wing of this, but that's another matter.

[Forever Indomitable]

So we don't have enough white criminals?! First, what the heck! Second, rather than breaking more laws so the whites have more criminals, why don't we lower crime in "non-white" races. Than the "minority white" will be at the same criminal status as other races.
"I want everyone to have a place in this world."
Except cops, I presume?
"my character and abilities stand above yours"
You want everyone to have a place in this world but you assume youre better than everyone. Who are you to judge another? None of us here have the credentials to judge someone.

So we don't have enough white criminals?!

In simple terms, yes. It demonstrates a decline in both testosterone and cognitive diversity.

Second, rather than breaking more laws so the whites have more criminals, why don't we lower crime in "non-white" races. Than the "minority white" will be at the same criminal status as other races.

Well, that's exactly what's happening, at least in the US, but that doesn't help my people. We need more cognitive variety within our race for our health. We have become very 1-dimensional and limited. More genetic variety (within our race) will make us physically healthier, intelligent and varied in appearance and mind. It's an issue of long term survival and beauty.

You want everyone to have a place in this world but you assume youre better than everyone.

I'm better than some people at some things and this applies to everyone and there are many ways I am inferior to many others.

Who are you to judge another? None of us here have the credentials to judge someone.

Everyone judges everything; it is a result of being sensorial entities. We evolved to judge things, just like every other animal. What matters is how you judge people, not that you judge at all.

Except cops, I presume?

No, they have their value like any other. The desire to protect others is a useful thing, but in the context of Euros and Asians, we took it too far and are now far less dynamic, intelligent and healthy as a result.

[Floofybit]

The police don't judge others. If you do a crime, you get arrested. If not, you're on your merry way

How is that any different from a cop who doesn't know or care if the people they arrest deserve it, if they've done anything morally wrong at all, if their life will be ruined, if they're a family's breadwinner, if they'll be raped in prison.

Oh, he murdered 6 people, but his life will get ruined if he goes to jail, so let's just let him keep killing people.

[Floofybit]

So we don't have enough white criminals?! First, what the heck! Second, rather than breaking more laws so the whites have more criminals, why don't we lower crime in "non-white" races. Than the "minority white" will be at the same criminal status as other races.
"I want everyone to have a place in this world."
Except cops, I presume?
"my character and abilities stand above yours"
You want everyone to have a place in this world but you assume youre better than everyone. Who are you to judge another? None of us here have the credentials to judge someone.

So we don't have enough white criminals?!

In simple terms, yes. It demonstrates a decline in both testosterone and cognitive diversity.

Second, rather than breaking more laws so the whites have more criminals, why don't we lower crime in "non-white" races. Than the "minority white" will be at the same criminal status as other races.

Well, that's exactly what's happening, at least in the US, but that doesn't help my people. We need more cognitive variety within our race for our health. We have become very 1-dimensional and limited. More genetic variety (within our race) will make us physically healthier, intelligent and varied in appearance and mind. It's an issue of long term survival and beauty.

You want everyone to have a place in this world but you assume youre better than everyone.

I'm better than some people at some things and this applies to everyone and there are many ways I am inferior to many others.

Who are you to judge another? None of us here have the credentials to judge someone.

Everyone judges everything; it is a result of being sensorial entities. We evolved to judge things, just like every other animal. What matters is how you judge people, not that you judge at all.

Except cops, I presume?

No, they have their value like any other. The desire to protect others is a useful thing, but in the context of Euros and Asians, we took it too far and are now far less dynamic, intelligent and healthy as a result.

Testosterone and cognitive diversity? Being white doesn't change anything! Culture does. Just because you are white, doesn't mean you are very different than your ethnically different neighbor down the street. We need more cognitive diversity? No. We don't. We don't need the criminal ideology. We don't need prey and predators. We aren't rabid, wild animals. We are diverse people, with diverse ideologies, but we, on no level, need a killer on the loose, putting us in fear of death everyday, just because there isn't one. That is corrupt as frick. It's okay to judge others? No! You can have impulsive, intrusive thoughts of judging others, but you shouldn't act on them! You don't get to say you're better than others when we all have made mistakes. We're not perfect, and you can't say you're more perfect than another. Cops have made us less dynamic? Uniformity is a good thing! When we think the same, we are stronger. We are one. We are one unified society, and if we have criminals trying to break our society from the inside, we will fall apart and fail. We should act as one.

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[American Legionaries]

How is that any different from a cop who doesn't know or care if the people they arrest deserve it, if they've done anything morally wrong at all, if their life will be ruined, if they're a family's breadwinner, if they'll be raped in prison.

Oh, he murdered 6 people, but his life will get ruined if he goes to jail, so let's just let him keep killing people.

This would be a legitimate argument if cops only arrested people who murdered six people.

[Floofybit]

Oh, he murdered 6 people, but his life will get ruined if he goes to jail, so let's just let him keep killing people.

This would be a legitimate argument if cops only arrested people who murdered six people.

Oh, he murdered 5 people, but his life will get ruined if he goes to jail, so let's just let him keep killing people.
Better now?

[Ifreann]

Police shoot dead Donovan Lewis, 20, within one second of opening the door to his bedroom at 2:30am. In the bodycam footage Lewis can be seen jumping up in bed as the door opening when Officer Ricky Anderson shoots him.

[American Legionaries]

This would be a legitimate argument if cops only arrested people who murdered six people.

Oh, he murdered 5 people, but his life will get ruined if he goes to jail, so let's just let him keep killing people.
Better now?

No, but you already knew that.

[Floofybit]

Police shoot dead Donovan Lewis, 20, within one second of opening the door to his bedroom at 2:30am. In the bodycam footage Lewis can be seen jumping up in bed as the door opening when Officer Ricky Anderson shoots him.

And? That's one person. Not every cop

[Ifreann]

Police shoot dead Donovan Lewis, 20, within one second of opening the door to his bedroom at 2:30am. In the bodycam footage Lewis can be seen jumping up in bed as the door opening when Officer Ricky Anderson shoots him.

And? That's one person. Not every cop

Anderson is a thirty year veteran of the force. Three decades of experience and he fucking murdered an innocent man, and did it on camera. That's not some failure of training or an accident born of inexperience, this is how cops behave.

[Floofybit]

And? That's one person. Not every cop

Anderson is a thirty year veteran of the force. Three decades of experience and he fucking murdered an innocent man, and did it on camera. That's not some failure of training or an accident born of inexperience, this is how cops behave.

Who cares how long? That's one person. Not every cop

[Necroghastia]

Anderson is a thirty year veteran of the force. Three decades of experience and he fucking murdered an innocent man, and did it on camera. That's not some failure of training or an accident born of inexperience, this is how cops behave.

Who cares how long? That's one person. Not every cop

no one is saying every cop has killed good fucking lord
but you also cannot say "tHaT's jUsT oNe PeRsOn" when there are dozens if not hundreds of reports of police brutality and abuse out there
and when there are so many that get away with it for so long, that is an indication that there is something rotten within the whole system

[Ifreann]

Anderson is a thirty year veteran of the force. Three decades of experience and he fucking murdered an innocent man, and did it on camera. That's not some failure of training or an accident born of inexperience, this is how cops behave.

Who cares how long? That's one person. Not every cop

I explained in that post why I am referencing his decades of experience.

[Floofybit]

Who cares how long? That's one person. Not every cop

I explained in that post why I am referencing his decades of experience.

If a teacher, who has been in practice for 30 years, does something bad with a student, are all teachers bad?

[Spirit of Hope]

I explained in that post why I am referencing his decades of experience.

If a teacher, who has been in practice for 30 years, does something bad with a student, are all teachers bad?

Has anyone said here that all police are murderers? Its a great strawman, but isn't really what people are saying. I mean you are the guy who jumped to the conclusion that everyone police interact with are multi time murderers.

Of course police in the US have a real violence problem, it isn't always murder. It can be domestic abuse, excessive force, provoking confrontations, using banned techniques, etc.

[Necroghastia]

I explained in that post why I am referencing his decades of experience.

If a teacher, who has been in practice for 30 years, does something bad with a student, are all teachers bad?

If a teachers in a district routinely do bad things and get away with it, would you say that something is wrong with the district as a whole?

[Ifreann]

I explained in that post why I am referencing his decades of experience.

If a teacher, who has been in practice for 30 years, does something bad with a student, are all teachers bad?

If a teacher with 30 years experience cannot teach children then something has gone terribly wrong with the teaching profession. If a police officer with 30 years experience cannot even attempt an arrest and goes straight to deadly force then clearly something has gone terribly wrong with the law enforcement profession.

[Finalis]

If a teacher, who has been in practice for 30 years, does something bad with a student, are all teachers bad?

If a teachers in a district routinely do bad things and get away with it, would you say that something is wrong with the district as a whole?

why, yes, there are plenty of awful school districts in america. there are also a lot of good ones. oftentimes in wealthier areas that can afford to pay teachers more and recruit only the best

[Floofybit]

If a teachers in a district routinely do bad things and get away with it, would you say that something is wrong with the district as a whole?

why, yes, there are plenty of awful school districts in america. there are also a lot of good ones. oftentimes in wealthier areas that can afford to pay teachers more and recruit only the best

And that is my point. Most districts are good districs. Like police

[Ayytaly]

If a teacher, who has been in practice for 30 years, does something bad with a student, are all teachers bad?

If a teacher with 30 years experience cannot teach children then something has gone terribly wrong with the teaching profession. If a police officer with 30 years experience cannot even attempt an arrest and goes straight to deadly force then clearly something has gone terribly wrong with the law enforcement profession.

Has it ever occurred to you that in both cases the students are disruptive and the suspect is violently resisting arrest?

[Ifreann]

If a teacher with 30 years experience cannot teach children then something has gone terribly wrong with the teaching profession. If a police officer with 30 years experience cannot even attempt an arrest and goes straight to deadly force then clearly something has gone terribly wrong with the law enforcement profession.

Has it ever occurred to you that in both cases the students are disruptive and the suspect is violently resisting arrest?

I saw the video, he wasn't violently resisting arrest. He was in his bed when armed men with an attack dog opened his bedroom door and in the space of one second shot him.

[American Legionaries]

why, yes, there are plenty of awful school districts in america. there are also a lot of good ones. oftentimes in wealthier areas that can afford to pay teachers more and recruit only the best

And that is my point. Most districts are good districs. Like police

Policing within the present legal system is inherently bad, even when done "correctly".