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Reverend Norv
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Postby Reverend Norv » Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:26 am

Forever Indomitable wrote:
Reverend Norv wrote:
Then by all means go forth and do so: if taxation is theft, stop paying your taxes, and then shoot at the officers when they come to arrest you. See how that turns out. Until then, all I see here is a lot of hot air.

I know actions have consequences. My struggle will be enacted through legal methods.


Good luck. In the meantime, the views you have expressed make Floofybit's point far more clearly than he himself has ever been able to do. You think the white race needs more criminals to boost its testosterone levels, and you appreciate the work ethic of criminals who "take something for themselves" by victimizing others. Of course you think police are villains - because they exist to protect the rest of us from people like you.
For really, I think that the poorest he that is in England hath a life to live as the greatest he. And therefore truly, Sir, I think it's clear that every man that is to live under a Government ought first by his own consent to put himself under that Government. And I do think that the poorest man in England is not at all bound in a strict sense to that Government that he hath not had a voice to put himself under.
Col. Thomas Rainsborough, Putney Debates, 1647

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Postby Nunaqujjuk » Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:30 am

Here in the UK the police are racist and sexist, though most police officers are not like that, it does happen and you hear it on the news, more than half of the people in the UK do not trust our police.
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Postby Forever Indomitable » Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:35 am

Reverend Norv wrote:
Forever Indomitable wrote:I know actions have consequences. My struggle will be enacted through legal methods.


Good luck. In the meantime, the views you have expressed make Floofybit's point far more clearly than he himself has ever been able to do. You think the white race needs more criminals to boost its testosterone levels, and you appreciate the work ethic of criminals who "take something for themselves" by victimizing others. Of course you think police are villains - because they exist to protect the rest of us from people like you.

I understand why you've reached this conclusion, but it's not very accurate. I'm an engineering student. I want to build things for a living. I'm more competitive than predatory. I believe all traits have positive and negative connotations dependent on context. Aggression can be good or bad; it just depends on scope and application, same thing with altruism. I know I sound like an anime villain and social Darwinist, but I'm not. I value balance and diversity and excessive domestication is a danger to both. I appreciate the entirety of the human spectrum and understand they all have function and value.

I'm also concerned about Asian domestication because they are likewise too far in the deep end and I would be concerned for any other group of people who suffer the same decline, but I have to chiefly worry about my own because it is nearest to me.

I value cooperation and kindness, but both require the other side of the coin for balance.
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Postby Floofybit » Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:37 am

Forever Indomitable wrote:
Floofybit wrote:So it's true? You're pro criminal right? Criminals harm others for their personal gain. That's not someone to commend

It depends on the context. I'm pro-White criminals in general because my race is excessively domesticated and we need those genetics to give us better health and quality. I'm also proud of who I am and I do come from some criminals in my family. People say criminals never produce anything good, but I'm a hard worker, loyal to my friends, my teachers say I'm smart and some people find me attractive. If it wasn't for my heritage, I wouldn't be who I am and I like who I am and so do the people I've helped in life. I have a small respect for anyone who puts their ass on the line to take something for themself because that hunger is the origin of all ambition.

Pro white? So only if their white, then it's okay? That... That counts as racism. Also, no one hates you if youre a criminal because they likely don't know. Just because your family is a criminal, doesn't mean you're a better person because of it. You decide who you are and no one cares what race you are. Race doesn't do jack, it's just cosmetic
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Postby Forever Indomitable » Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:48 am

Floofybit wrote:
Forever Indomitable wrote:It depends on the context. I'm pro-White criminals in general because my race is excessively domesticated and we need those genetics to give us better health and quality. I'm also proud of who I am and I do come from some criminals in my family. People say criminals never produce anything good, but I'm a hard worker, loyal to my friends, my teachers say I'm smart and some people find me attractive. If it wasn't for my heritage, I wouldn't be who I am and I like who I am and so do the people I've helped in life. I have a small respect for anyone who puts their ass on the line to take something for themself because that hunger is the origin of all ambition.

Pro white? So only if their white, then it's okay? That... That counts as racism. Also, no one hates you if youre a criminal because they likely don't know. Just because your family is a criminal, doesn't mean you're a better person because of it. You decide who you are and no one cares what race you are. Race doesn't do jack, it's just cosmetic

That's another discussion that's off topic, but my familiy's genetics made me who I am. I'm unique in my own special way and proud of it. I can be a bad guy and a good guy, but ultimately, there's no one else like me and that's something not many others have the privilege of saying. Everyone has positives and negatives to them, criminals and non criminals. I just think we all need to recognize this in each other and use that to work together. The same people that I call "weak" also have strengths to them. That's why I don't really hate anybody. The sinner and the saint both bring something to the table.
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Postby Reverend Norv » Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:49 am

Forever Indomitable wrote:
Reverend Norv wrote:
Good luck. In the meantime, the views you have expressed make Floofybit's point far more clearly than he himself has ever been able to do. You think the white race needs more criminals to boost its testosterone levels, and you appreciate the work ethic of criminals who "take something for themselves" by victimizing others. Of course you think police are villains - because they exist to protect the rest of us from people like you.

I understand why you've reached this conclusion, but it's not very accurate. I'm an engineering student. I want to build things for a living. I'm more competitive than predatory. I believe all traits have positive and negative connotations dependent on context. Aggression can be good or bad; it just depends on scope and application, same thing with altruism. I know I sound like an anime villain and social Darwinist, but I'm not. I value balance and diversity and excessive domestication is a danger to both. I appreciate the entirety of the human spectrum and understand they all have function and value.

I'm also concerned about Asian domestication because they are likewise too far in the deep end and I would be concerned for any other group of people who suffer the same decline, but I have to chiefly worry about my own because it is nearest to me.

I value cooperation and kindness, but both require the other side of the coin for balance.


Again: if you are the sort of person who looks at the world and decides that it's out of balance because there's too little aggression and selfishness, and too much altruism and kindness, then you are exactly the sort of person that the police exist to protect the rest of us from. That you are clearly a bright kid makes you more dangerous, not less. And the fact that you see police as villains precisely because they keep society below your preferred, "balanced" level of aggression and exploitation - that tells me everything I need to know about what you really value.
For really, I think that the poorest he that is in England hath a life to live as the greatest he. And therefore truly, Sir, I think it's clear that every man that is to live under a Government ought first by his own consent to put himself under that Government. And I do think that the poorest man in England is not at all bound in a strict sense to that Government that he hath not had a voice to put himself under.
Col. Thomas Rainsborough, Putney Debates, 1647

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Postby Forever Indomitable » Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:51 am

Reverend Norv wrote:
Forever Indomitable wrote:I understand why you've reached this conclusion, but it's not very accurate. I'm an engineering student. I want to build things for a living. I'm more competitive than predatory. I believe all traits have positive and negative connotations dependent on context. Aggression can be good or bad; it just depends on scope and application, same thing with altruism. I know I sound like an anime villain and social Darwinist, but I'm not. I value balance and diversity and excessive domestication is a danger to both. I appreciate the entirety of the human spectrum and understand they all have function and value.

I'm also concerned about Asian domestication because they are likewise too far in the deep end and I would be concerned for any other group of people who suffer the same decline, but I have to chiefly worry about my own because it is nearest to me.

I value cooperation and kindness, but both require the other side of the coin for balance.


Again: if you are the sort of person who looks at the world and decides that it's out of balance because there's too little aggression and selfishness, and too much altruism and kindness, then you are exactly the sort of person that the police exist to protect the rest of us from. That you are clearly a bright kid makes you more dangerous, not less. And the fact that you see police as villains precisely because they keep society below your preferred, "balanced" level of aggression and exploitation - that tells me everything I need to know about what you really value.

Alright, let's put this to the test: what do I really value? Because you have no qualms about aggression being applied to get what you want.
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Postby Reverend Norv » Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:02 am

Forever Indomitable wrote:
Reverend Norv wrote:
Again: if you are the sort of person who looks at the world and decides that it's out of balance because there's too little aggression and selfishness, and too much altruism and kindness, then you are exactly the sort of person that the police exist to protect the rest of us from. That you are clearly a bright kid makes you more dangerous, not less. And the fact that you see police as villains precisely because they keep society below your preferred, "balanced" level of aggression and exploitation - that tells me everything I need to know about what you really value.

Alright, let's put this to the test: what do I really value? Because you have no qualms about aggression being applied to get what you want.


Well, let's see. To take one small sample:
Forever Indomitable wrote:
Floofybit wrote:So it's true? You're pro criminal right? Criminals harm others for their personal gain. That's not someone to commend

It depends on the context. I'm pro-White criminals in general because my race is excessively domesticated and we need those genetics to give us better health and quality. I'm also proud of who I am and I do come from some criminals in my family. People say criminals never produce anything good, but I'm a hard worker, loyal to my friends, my teachers say I'm smart and some people find me attractive. If it wasn't for my heritage, I wouldn't be who I am and I like who I am and so do the people I've helped in life. I have a small respect for anyone who puts their ass on the line to take something for themself because that hunger is the origin of all ambition.


You value the "genetic health" of the white race. You value criminals who share that race. You value hard work, loyalty to your friends (though not, apparently, to your community or country), and good looks. And you value the hunger or ambition for personal betterment (at the direct expense of others) that leads people to commit crimes.

Your attitude, in other words, is fundamentally predatory - with a healthy dash of pseduoscientific racism to match. You value the strength that is required to dominate and exploit others, to the benefit of your friends and of your race and of you yourself personally. What I want is for ordinary people to be kept safe from that predatory behavior. And since predators do not respond to appeals to conscience or mercy or compassion - all of which they consider signs of weakness, or perhaps the mark of "domesticated" races with too little testosterone - I am indeed prepared to use police power to stop folks like you from hurting others.
For really, I think that the poorest he that is in England hath a life to live as the greatest he. And therefore truly, Sir, I think it's clear that every man that is to live under a Government ought first by his own consent to put himself under that Government. And I do think that the poorest man in England is not at all bound in a strict sense to that Government that he hath not had a voice to put himself under.
Col. Thomas Rainsborough, Putney Debates, 1647

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Postby Forever Indomitable » Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:30 am

Reverend Norv wrote:
Forever Indomitable wrote:Alright, let's put this to the test: what do I really value? Because you have no qualms about aggression being applied to get what you want.


Well, let's see. To take one small sample:
Forever Indomitable wrote:It depends on the context. I'm pro-White criminals in general because my race is excessively domesticated and we need those genetics to give us better health and quality. I'm also proud of who I am and I do come from some criminals in my family. People say criminals never produce anything good, but I'm a hard worker, loyal to my friends, my teachers say I'm smart and some people find me attractive. If it wasn't for my heritage, I wouldn't be who I am and I like who I am and so do the people I've helped in life. I have a small respect for anyone who puts their ass on the line to take something for themself because that hunger is the origin of all ambition.


You value the "genetic health" of the white race. You value criminals who share that race. You value hard work, loyalty to your friends (though not, apparently, to your community or country), and good looks. And you value the hunger or ambition for personal betterment (at the direct expense of others) that leads people to commit crimes.

Your attitude, in other words, is fundamentally predatory - with a healthy dash of pseduoscientific racism to match. You value the strength that is required to dominate and exploit others, to the benefit of your friends and of your race and of you yourself personally. What I want is for ordinary people to be kept safe from that predatory behavior. And since predators do not respond to appeals to conscience or mercy or compassion - all of which they consider signs of weakness, or perhaps the mark of "domesticated" races with too little testosterone - I am indeed prepared to use police power to stop folks like you from hurting others.


Yup, this is exactly the narrow minded post I expected. Let's get started:

You value the "genetic health" of the white race.

Yup, and I value it for all others, too. I would hate to see the passion and edge of humanity bred out of existence. I will resist this by trying to work on the group nearest to me because our situation is most dire.

You value criminals who share that race.

Because we have a deficiency, not a surplus. If the situation was the opposite, so would be my attitude.

loyalty to your friends (though not, apparently, to your community or country)

I don't have a community or a country. I judge people based on my direct relationship with them. I'm not a nationalist and people have to earn my loyalty. It's not a free commodity. I try to be a good neighbor and that's all I owe.

and good looks

Everyone values good looks :roll:.

Your attitude, in other words, is fundamentally predatory - with a healthy dash of pseduoscientific racism to match. You value the strength that is required to dominate and exploit others, to the benefit of your friends and of your race and of you yourself personally.

Sorry, I've already thoroughly dismantled all this ignorant "pseudoscience" talk in another thread. Once again, you're wrong because you are a mere reductionist with a wealth of bigotry, so I will plainly spell it out for you:

I don't want black and white; I want the rainbow. I don't want 2 dimensions; I want 3. I want the entirety of the spectrum of life to be represented. I want everyone to have a place in this world. I want the knowledge and perspective that can only come when one divorces dualism. I have an autotelic desire to see as much as possible and to see the dynamism of the human soul made manifest. That is what I really want, to see the twilight, sunrise, day, dusk and night of humanity. People like you only want the white. You would throw away all the other colors for your own hedonistic comfort.

And so you are fundamentally more selfish than I. My idea affords everyone a place and value; yours only makes room for those who would never challenge you. It is the philosophy of cowardice. You don't care about using violence to sculpt your ideal world because you delude yourself into thinking it's for a common good, but it's not. It's just the desire of your inner self to maximize your comfort. Our desires are subjective, but my character and abilities stand above yours and so my struggle is against the mediocrity you perpetuate.
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Postby Reverend Norv » Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:50 am

Forever Indomitable wrote:
Reverend Norv wrote:
Well, let's see. To take one small sample:

You value the "genetic health" of the white race. You value criminals who share that race. You value hard work, loyalty to your friends (though not, apparently, to your community or country), and good looks. And you value the hunger or ambition for personal betterment (at the direct expense of others) that leads people to commit crimes.

Your attitude, in other words, is fundamentally predatory - with a healthy dash of pseduoscientific racism to match. You value the strength that is required to dominate and exploit others, to the benefit of your friends and of your race and of you yourself personally. What I want is for ordinary people to be kept safe from that predatory behavior. And since predators do not respond to appeals to conscience or mercy or compassion - all of which they consider signs of weakness, or perhaps the mark of "domesticated" races with too little testosterone - I am indeed prepared to use police power to stop folks like you from hurting others.


Yup, this is exactly the narrow minded post I expected. Let's get started:

You value the "genetic health" of the white race.

Yup, and I value it for all others, too. I would hate to see the passion and edge of humanity bred out of existence. I will resist this by trying to work on the group nearest to me because our situation is most dire.

You value criminals who share that race.

Because we have a deficiency, not a surplus. If the situation was the opposite, so would be my attitude.

loyalty to your friends (though not, apparently, to your community or country)

I don't have a community or a country. I judge people based on my direct relationship with them. I'm not a nationalist and people have to earn my loyalty. It's not a free commodity. I try to be a good neighbor and that's all I owe.

and good looks

Everyone values good looks :roll:.

Your attitude, in other words, is fundamentally predatory - with a healthy dash of pseduoscientific racism to match. You value the strength that is required to dominate and exploit others, to the benefit of your friends and of your race and of you yourself personally.

Sorry, I've already thoroughly dismantled all this ignorant "pseudoscience" talk in another thread. Once again, you're wrong because you are a mere reductionist with a wealth of bigotry, so I will plainly spell it out for you:

I don't want black and white; I want the rainbow. I don't want 2 dimensions; I want 3. I want the entirety of the spectrum of life to be represented. I want everyone to have a place in this world. I want the knowledge and perspective that can only come when one divorces dualism. I have an autotelic desire to see as much as possible and to see the dynamism of the human soul made manifest. That is what I really want, to see the twilight, sunrise, day, dusk and night of humanity. People like you only want the white. You would throw away all the other colors for your own hedonistic comfort.

And so you are fundamentally more selfish than I. My idea affords everyone a place and value; yours only makes room for those who would never challenge you. It is the philosophy of cowardice. You don't care about using violence to sculpt your ideal world because you delude yourself into thinking it's for a common good, but it's not. It's just the desire of your inner self to maximize your comfort. Our desires are subjective, but my character and abilities stand above yours and so my struggle is against the mediocrity you perpetuate.


What a wonderfully eloquent justification for hurting innocent people.

This conversation has reached its natural endpoint, so I'll offer only the following advice. I worked in law enforcement before going back to school. In a few months, I will start a new job - also in law enforcement. I have heard a wealth of justifications from people who thought they were so special that they were entitled to victimize others. And in the end, people with that attitude - your attitude - tend to end up in prison.

Here's why. The only thing that causes you to obey the law is that you fear the consequences. You admitted as much yourself. But sooner or later, you will find an opportunity to break the law, and you will decide that there is zero chance that you will be caught. When that day comes, you'll go ahead and break it, because the fear of punishment won't be there to stop you. It might have already happened. It might not happen for decades. I've seen folks who first offended when they were in their forties or fifties, because it took that long for them to find what looked like a golden opportunity for crime.

But nobody's judgment is infallible - not even yours. And us blinkered, binary, mediocre types - all of us with such inferior character and abilities - we are better at our jobs than you suppose. So like most folks who thought they could get away with it, you will eventually be proven wrong.

The point is this: the police are absolutely the villains of your particular life story. Because someday, they are very likely to be the ones who put you in a cage.

Until then, keep congratulating yourself on your own cleverness, and see if it changes the way this story ends.
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Col. Thomas Rainsborough, Putney Debates, 1647

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Postby Necroghastia » Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:12 am

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And Police has a history of being Fair and Just?

You can find dozens of stories from just this past year and a half of how unfair and unjust the police are...

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Postby Floofybit » Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:49 pm

Forever Indomitable wrote:
Reverend Norv wrote:
Well, let's see. To take one small sample:

You value the "genetic health" of the white race. You value criminals who share that race. You value hard work, loyalty to your friends (though not, apparently, to your community or country), and good looks. And you value the hunger or ambition for personal betterment (at the direct expense of others) that leads people to commit crimes.

Your attitude, in other words, is fundamentally predatory - with a healthy dash of pseduoscientific racism to match. You value the strength that is required to dominate and exploit others, to the benefit of your friends and of your race and of you yourself personally. What I want is for ordinary people to be kept safe from that predatory behavior. And since predators do not respond to appeals to conscience or mercy or compassion - all of which they consider signs of weakness, or perhaps the mark of "domesticated" races with too little testosterone - I am indeed prepared to use police power to stop folks like you from hurting others.


Yup, this is exactly the narrow minded post I expected. Let's get started:

You value the "genetic health" of the white race.

Yup, and I value it for all others, too. I would hate to see the passion and edge of humanity bred out of existence. I will resist this by trying to work on the group nearest to me because our situation is most dire.

You value criminals who share that race.

Because we have a deficiency, not a surplus. If the situation was the opposite, so would be my attitude.

loyalty to your friends (though not, apparently, to your community or country)

I don't have a community or a country. I judge people based on my direct relationship with them. I'm not a nationalist and people have to earn my loyalty. It's not a free commodity. I try to be a good neighbor and that's all I owe.

and good looks

Everyone values good looks :roll:.

Your attitude, in other words, is fundamentally predatory - with a healthy dash of pseduoscientific racism to match. You value the strength that is required to dominate and exploit others, to the benefit of your friends and of your race and of you yourself personally.

Sorry, I've already thoroughly dismantled all this ignorant "pseudoscience" talk in another thread. Once again, you're wrong because you are a mere reductionist with a wealth of bigotry, so I will plainly spell it out for you:

I don't want black and white; I want the rainbow. I don't want 2 dimensions; I want 3. I want the entirety of the spectrum of life to be represented. I want everyone to have a place in this world. I want the knowledge and perspective that can only come when one divorces dualism. I have an autotelic desire to see as much as possible and to see the dynamism of the human soul made manifest. That is what I really want, to see the twilight, sunrise, day, dusk and night of humanity. People like you only want the white. You would throw away all the other colors for your own hedonistic comfort.

And so you are fundamentally more selfish than I. My idea affords everyone a place and value; yours only makes room for those who would never challenge you. It is the philosophy of cowardice. You don't care about using violence to sculpt your ideal world because you delude yourself into thinking it's for a common good, but it's not. It's just the desire of your inner self to maximize your comfort. Our desires are subjective, but my character and abilities stand above yours and so my struggle is against the mediocrity you perpetuate.

"Because we have a deficiency, not a surplus. If the situation was the opposite, so would be my attitude."
So we don't have enough white criminals?! First, what the heck! Second, rather than breaking more laws so the whites have more criminals, why don't we lower crime in "non-white" races. Than the "minority white" will be at the same criminal status as other races.
"I want everyone to have a place in this world."
Except cops, I presume? :eyebrow:
"my character and abilities stand above yours"
You want everyone to have a place in this world but you assume youre better than everyone. Who are you to judge another? None of us here have the credentials to judge someone.
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Postby American Legionaries » Sat Aug 27, 2022 1:22 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Forever Indomitable wrote:
Yup, this is exactly the narrow minded post I expected. Let's get started:


Yup, and I value it for all others, too. I would hate to see the passion and edge of humanity bred out of existence. I will resist this by trying to work on the group nearest to me because our situation is most dire.


Because we have a deficiency, not a surplus. If the situation was the opposite, so would be my attitude.


I don't have a community or a country. I judge people based on my direct relationship with them. I'm not a nationalist and people have to earn my loyalty. It's not a free commodity. I try to be a good neighbor and that's all I owe.


Everyone values good looks :roll:.


Sorry, I've already thoroughly dismantled all this ignorant "pseudoscience" talk in another thread. Once again, you're wrong because you are a mere reductionist with a wealth of bigotry, so I will plainly spell it out for you:

I don't want black and white; I want the rainbow. I don't want 2 dimensions; I want 3. I want the entirety of the spectrum of life to be represented. I want everyone to have a place in this world. I want the knowledge and perspective that can only come when one divorces dualism. I have an autotelic desire to see as much as possible and to see the dynamism of the human soul made manifest. That is what I really want, to see the twilight, sunrise, day, dusk and night of humanity. People like you only want the white. You would throw away all the other colors for your own hedonistic comfort.

And so you are fundamentally more selfish than I. My idea affords everyone a place and value; yours only makes room for those who would never challenge you. It is the philosophy of cowardice. You don't care about using violence to sculpt your ideal world because you delude yourself into thinking it's for a common good, but it's not. It's just the desire of your inner self to maximize your comfort. Our desires are subjective, but my character and abilities stand above yours and so my struggle is against the mediocrity you perpetuate.

"Because we have a deficiency, not a surplus. If the situation was the opposite, so would be my attitude."
So we don't have enough white criminals?! First, what the heck! Second, rather than breaking more laws so the whites have more criminals, why don't we lower crime in "non-white" races. Than the "minority white" will be at the same criminal status as other races.
"I want everyone to have a place in this world."
Except cops, I presume? :eyebrow:
"my character and abilities stand above yours"
You want everyone to have a place in this world but you assume youre better than everyone. Who are you to judge another? None of us here have the credentials to judge someone.


I'm curious, in a world where nobody has the credentials to judge others, how do the police work?

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Postby Australian rePublic » Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:52 pm

So I am currently the victim of a minor crime. I am not going to talk about it, because there's still a police investigation, but I must say that the police are very competant and professional. But yes I am okay, and no, I am not injured. The issue is with individuals, rather than a systematic problem. Now, if the police keep hiring bad individuals, that's when it comes a systematic problem. But I have had a few interactions with the police, I haven't done anything wrong, mostly routine stuff like random breath tests whilst driving and stuff like that, or that one instance where I got pulled over because of an issue with my car headlights, but yea, most of my interactions were very professional and competant. There are places, such as the USA, where there are huge systematic problems with the police, but those are local problems, rather than issues with the concept of police
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Postby T Rex Horde » Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:01 pm

Police should be abolished, starting with the FBI, but not for the same reasons your average ACAB/BLM supporter wants. It's a classic case of agreeing with Liberals for the wrong reasons.

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Postby Dogmeat » Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:40 pm

T Rex Horde wrote:Police should be abolished, starting with the FBI, but not for the same reasons your average ACAB/BLM supporter wants. It's a classic case of agreeing with Liberals for the wrong reasons.

I agree with you that your reasons are probably wrong.
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Postby Floofybit » Sun Aug 28, 2022 7:47 am

American Legionaries wrote:
Floofybit wrote:"Because we have a deficiency, not a surplus. If the situation was the opposite, so would be my attitude."
So we don't have enough white criminals?! First, what the heck! Second, rather than breaking more laws so the whites have more criminals, why don't we lower crime in "non-white" races. Than the "minority white" will be at the same criminal status as other races.
"I want everyone to have a place in this world."
Except cops, I presume? :eyebrow:
"my character and abilities stand above yours"
You want everyone to have a place in this world but you assume youre better than everyone. Who are you to judge another? None of us here have the credentials to judge someone.


I'm curious, in a world where nobody has the credentials to judge others, how do the police work?

The police don't judge others. If you do a crime, you get arrested. If not, you're on your merry way
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Postby Floofybit » Sun Aug 28, 2022 7:47 am

T Rex Horde wrote:Police should be abolished, starting with the FBI, but not for the same reasons your average ACAB/BLM supporter wants. It's a classic case of agreeing with Liberals for the wrong reasons.

Why do you want them abolished?
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Postby Michel Meilleur » Sun Aug 28, 2022 8:07 am

Forever Indomitable wrote:It depends on the context. I'm pro-White criminals in general because my race is excessively domesticated and we need those genetics to give us better health and quality. I'm also proud of who I am and I do come from some criminals in my family. People say criminals never produce anything good, but I'm a hard worker, loyal to my friends, my teachers say I'm smart and some people find me attractive. If it wasn't for my heritage, I wouldn't be who I am and I like who I am and so do the people I've helped in life. I have a small respect for anyone who puts their ass on the line to take something for themself because that hunger is the origin of all ambition.

Weren't you saying that you weren't into Social Darwinism? Why are you once more unironically spouting this cringe racial "survival of the fittest" and "might make right" ?
I actually agree that your family gives you the basis upon which you build yourself, but the truth remains that it is you who by your own Free Will actually make who you are.

As for criminals, valuing them as some sort of "noble savage" is one of the weirdest thing to me and make me wonder whether you grew up along those aforementioned criminal family members while they were "in their prime" or just interacted with them once they were back into normal society. Do you think a gangbanger has some grand ambition motivating him ? That a petty thief or dealer has some "honorable side" he is hiding ? They're just peoples who take the path of least effort and greatest immediate satisfaction.

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Postby Sordhau » Sun Aug 28, 2022 9:57 am

Floofybit wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
I'm curious, in a world where nobody has the credentials to judge others, how do the police work?

The police don't judge others. If you do a crime, you get arrested. If not, you're on your merry way


This is a very naive and unrealistic perception of law enforcement that rather demonstrably proves that you have no experience dealing with cops at all.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:25 am

Floofybit wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
I'm curious, in a world where nobody has the credentials to judge others, how do the police work?

The police don't judge others. If you do a crime, you get arrested. If not, you're on your merry way

Man, I did crime right in front of the police and didn't get arrested, just went on my merry way.

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Postby Floofybit » Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:57 am

Ifreann wrote:
Floofybit wrote:The police don't judge others. If you do a crime, you get arrested. If not, you're on your merry way

Man, I did crime right in front of the police and didn't get arrested, just went on my merry way.

Like what?
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Postby Floofybit » Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:58 am

Sordhau wrote:
Floofybit wrote:The police don't judge others. If you do a crime, you get arrested. If not, you're on your merry way


This is a very naive and unrealistic perception of law enforcement that rather demonstrably proves that you have no experience dealing with cops at all.

Maybe, just maybe, because I'm safe and actually follow the law :lol:
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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Aug 28, 2022 11:27 am

Floofybit wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
This is a very naive and unrealistic perception of law enforcement that rather demonstrably proves that you have no experience dealing with cops at all.

Maybe, just maybe, because I'm safe and actually follow the law :lol:


Following the law is dangerous.

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Postby Sordhau » Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:01 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
This is a very naive and unrealistic perception of law enforcement that rather demonstrably proves that you have no experience dealing with cops at all.

Maybe, just maybe, because I'm safe and actually follow the law :lol:


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