Police: Heroes or Villains?

[Ulajhan]

Police are villains to the criminals and heroes to the innocent

If you just ignored all the innocent people who got shot... sure

[American Pere Housh]

Overall, LE aren't bad people but there are sometimes bad apples within the department.

[American Pere Housh]

Police are villains to the criminals and heroes to the innocent

If you just ignored all the innocent people who got shot... sure

How do you know they are innocent? Many of the shootings by cops are justified as the suspect or suspects were armed.

[Alcala-Cordel]

If you just ignored all the innocent people who got shot... sure

How do you know they are innocent? Many of the shootings by cops are justified as the suspect or suspects were armed.

Police are villains to the criminals and heroes to the innocent

Suspects are, by law-
-innocent until proven guilty. This isn't Judge Dredd. Even if someone does commit a crime, they are still legally considered innocent until convicted.
-given the constitutional right to bear arms. Unregistered weapons might be illegal, but the punishment for having one isn't death.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Overall, LE aren't bad people but there are sometimes bad apples within the department.

What's that saying about bad apples, again? Oh, yeah...

If you have one bad cop in a department and nine other cops doing nothing about it, you have ten bad cops. That barrel is spoiled.

[Ulajhan]

If you just ignored all the innocent people who got shot... sure

How do you know they are innocent? Many of the shootings by cops are justified as the suspect or suspects were armed.

I'm certain all those people in Denver were hiding drugs in there pockets or something.

[Ayytaly]

If taxes don't exist, how would the government maintain basic services like sanitation? Or public health? (Not talking about the USA)

Well, this is what I propose: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=520421

Instead of taxes, you would have consensual membership dues or we could privatize more services.

Police is necessary

This has to be the biggest lie told in history. We factually don't need police. Order and productivity arise without it and are not dependent on it. Law enforcement is a parasitic apparatus with zero benefit and massive detriment.

I see, you're pro-crime.

[Floofybit]

If taxes don't exist, how would the government maintain basic services like sanitation? Or public health? (Not talking about the USA)

Well, this is what I propose: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=520421

Instead of taxes, you would have consensual membership dues or we could privatize more services.

Police is necessary

This has to be the biggest lie told in history. We factually don't need police. Order and productivity arise without it and are not dependent on it. Law enforcement is a parasitic apparatus with zero benefit and massive detriment.

Order and productivity arose when we didn't have order. And that order was... You guessed it! Law enforcement! Even if you attempt to eradicate it, it'll make its way back. We need it.

[Floofybit]

Overall, LE aren't bad people but there are sometimes bad apples within the department.

What's that saying about bad apples, again? Oh, yeah...

If you have one bad cop in a department and nine other cops doing nothing about it, you have ten bad cops. That barrel is spoiled.

Cops aren't apples. Bacteria doesn't just spread about them and make them evil. Those nine cops don't need to worry about the other cop. The bad cop gets detained by the leader. The other none have a whole lot life saving operations to do than you think

[Forever Indomitable]

Well, this is what I propose: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=520421

Instead of taxes, you would have consensual membership dues or we could privatize more services.


This has to be the biggest lie told in history. We factually don't need police. Order and productivity arise without it and are not dependent on it. Law enforcement is a parasitic apparatus with zero benefit and massive detriment.

Order and productivity arose when we didn't have order. And that order was... You guessed it! Law enforcement! Even if you attempt to eradicate it, it'll make its way back. We need it.

Actually, it wasn't. Tribes dealt with matters themselves. They regulated their own behavior. This evolved into larger tribes, which would raid and steal from other tribes, like Vikings. That's not law enforcement; that's how groups naturally operate. Order arose naturally and civilization is the result of concentrated aggression. The necessity of law enforcement for producing order is an illusion. It happens spontaneously through human relationships.

[Floofybit]

Order and productivity arose when we didn't have order. And that order was... You guessed it! Law enforcement! Even if you attempt to eradicate it, it'll make its way back. We need it.

Actually, it wasn't. Tribes dealt with matters themselves. They regulated their own behavior. This evolved into larger tribes, which would raid and steal from other tribes, like Vikings. That's not law enforcement; that's how groups naturally operate. Order arose naturally and civilization is the result of concentrated aggression. The necessity of law enforcement for producing order is an illusion. It happens spontaneously through human relationships.

They didn't steal from each other because they had other civilizations to steal from. Us, the USA, unfortunately does not not have the patriotism to fight for this country, so we can't steal from others, and people steal from their neighbour instead. Now we need law enforcement

[Ayytaly]

Order and productivity arose when we didn't have order. And that order was... You guessed it! Law enforcement! Even if you attempt to eradicate it, it'll make its way back. We need it.

Actually, it wasn't. Tribes dealt with matters themselves. They regulated their own behavior. This evolved into larger tribes, which would raid and steal from other tribes, like Vikings. That's not law enforcement; that's how groups naturally operate. Order arose naturally and civilization is the result of concentrated aggression. The necessity of law enforcement for producing order is an illusion. It happens spontaneously through human relationships.

There wasn't any gun control or similar policies back then. Nowadays the only people who can handle firearms in "civilized areas" (i.e. left-leaning cities) are cops and ghetto gangbangers that terrorize communities.

[Forever Indomitable]

Actually, it wasn't. Tribes dealt with matters themselves. They regulated their own behavior. This evolved into larger tribes, which would raid and steal from other tribes, like Vikings. That's not law enforcement; that's how groups naturally operate. Order arose naturally and civilization is the result of concentrated aggression. The necessity of law enforcement for producing order is an illusion. It happens spontaneously through human relationships.

They didn't steal from each other because they had other civilizations to steal from. Us, the USA, unfortunately does not not have the patriotism to fight for this country, so we can't steal from others, and people steal from their neighbour instead. Now we need law enforcement

Stealing is stealing and your mistake is that you assume everyone should be together if they fly the same flag. That's not how relationships work. I'm only loyal to my friends and family. I don't give a shit about neighborhoods and flags. Ironically, though, the US does tons of stealing; it's how this country was founded and how it expanded. So, do you think law enforcement should apply there?

Anyway, organized crime, hippie communes, tribalism and early civilization all disprove your assertion that law enforcement creates order, it doesn't, it only causes domestication and weakness. It's just an apparatus of cowardice.

[Floofybit]

They didn't steal from each other because they had other civilizations to steal from. Us, the USA, unfortunately does not not have the patriotism to fight for this country, so we can't steal from others, and people steal from their neighbour instead. Now we need law enforcement

Stealing is stealing and your mistake is that you assume everyone should be together if they fly the same flag. That's not how relationships work. I'm only loyal to my friends and family. I don't give a shit about neighborhoods and flags. Ironically, though, the US does tons of stealing; it's how this country was founded and how it expanded. So, do you think law enforcement should apply there?

Anyway, organized crime, hippie communes, tribalism and early civilization all disprove your assertion that law enforcement creates order, it doesn't, it only causes domestication and weakness. It's just an apparatus of cowardice.

It only causes domestication? Alright, lets remove it! Rawr! Now we're rabid and ruthless. Since we can kill others without consequence, how about we organize a 8 billion player battle royale, winner keeps the Earth! I definitely win because I'm so rabid and ruthless and definitely not domestic and civilized. Roar!

[Forever Indomitable]

Stealing is stealing and your mistake is that you assume everyone should be together if they fly the same flag. That's not how relationships work. I'm only loyal to my friends and family. I don't give a shit about neighborhoods and flags. Ironically, though, the US does tons of stealing; it's how this country was founded and how it expanded. So, do you think law enforcement should apply there?

Anyway, organized crime, hippie communes, tribalism and early civilization all disprove your assertion that law enforcement creates order, it doesn't, it only causes domestication and weakness. It's just an apparatus of cowardice.

It only causes domestication? Alright, lets remove it! Rawr! Now we're rabid and ruthless. Since we can kill others without consequence, how about we organize a 8 billion player battle royale, winner keeps the Earth! I definitely win because I'm so rabid and ruthless and definitely not domestic and civilized. Roar!

I didn't say we should be rapid, but we should at least be stronger individuals that aren't overly concerned about the affairs of others. We should at least handle our own business. Killing someone always has a consequence; you have to deal with the person's friends and family if they know you did it. Ghettos and favelas are a result of overpopulation and forceful racial integration policies, along with incompetent economics. These are all amendable problems. I know you think you need cops to make the world turn, but nature and history shows this simply isn't the case. The same nations obsessed with law are also the ones that have killed millions through wars and encouraged overpopulation, mass immigration and environmental destruction. The world is in a state of disorder and it's the law obsessed that have caused it. Man should stop playing God with everyone.

[Floofybit]

It only causes domestication? Alright, lets remove it! Rawr! Now we're rabid and ruthless. Since we can kill others without consequence, how about we organize a 8 billion player battle royale, winner keeps the Earth! I definitely win because I'm so rabid and ruthless and definitely not domestic and civilized. Roar!

I didn't say we should be rapid, but we should at least be stronger individuals that aren't overly concerned about the affairs of others. We should at least handle our own business. Killing someone always has a consequence; you have to deal with the person's friends and family if they know you did it. Ghettos and favelas are a result of overpopulation and forceful racial integration policies, along with incompetent economics. These are all amendable problems. I know you think you need cops to make the world turn, but nature and history shows this simply isn't the case. The same nations obsessed with law are also the ones that have killed millions through wars and encouraged overpopulation, mass immigration and environmental destruction. The world is in a state of disorder and it's the law obsessed that have caused it. Man should stop playing God with everyone.

We aren't the people we were thousands of years ago. Without cops, people are greedier than before, and we'd be dead within seconds. Anarchy doesn't work.

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I didn't say we should be rapid, but we should at least be stronger individuals that aren't overly concerned about the affairs of others. We should at least handle our own business. Killing someone always has a consequence; you have to deal with the person's friends and family if they know you did it. Ghettos and favelas are a result of overpopulation and forceful racial integration policies, along with incompetent economics. These are all amendable problems. I know you think you need cops to make the world turn, but nature and history shows this simply isn't the case. The same nations obsessed with law are also the ones that have killed millions through wars and encouraged overpopulation, mass immigration and environmental destruction. The world is in a state of disorder and it's the law obsessed that have caused it. Man should stop playing God with everyone.

We aren't the people we were thousands of years ago. Without cops, people are greedier than before, and we'd be dead within seconds. Anarchy doesn't work.

The greediest people have enslaved half the planet, and it's the greediest people who the cops really protect.

[Floofybit]

We aren't the people we were thousands of years ago. Without cops, people are greedier than before, and we'd be dead within seconds. Anarchy doesn't work.

The greediest people have enslaved half the planet, and it's the greediest people who the cops really protect.

Well, you voted for them. Cops are there to protect all who don't commit crimes

[Forever Indomitable]

I didn't say we should be rapid, but we should at least be stronger individuals that aren't overly concerned about the affairs of others. We should at least handle our own business. Killing someone always has a consequence; you have to deal with the person's friends and family if they know you did it. Ghettos and favelas are a result of overpopulation and forceful racial integration policies, along with incompetent economics. These are all amendable problems. I know you think you need cops to make the world turn, but nature and history shows this simply isn't the case. The same nations obsessed with law are also the ones that have killed millions through wars and encouraged overpopulation, mass immigration and environmental destruction. The world is in a state of disorder and it's the law obsessed that have caused it. Man should stop playing God with everyone.

We aren't the people we were thousands of years ago. Without cops, people are greedier than before, and we'd be dead within seconds. Anarchy doesn't work.

We wouldn't be dead in seconds and no law enforcement is not anarchy. Anarchy isn't even real; there is always leaders and structure. We as humans have evolved to be cooperative and this doesn't go away with law enforcement. Most people just want to live their lives and be happy and we're not the same people as before, you're right. We're far more domesticated, altruistic and technologically advanced which makes law enforcement even more unnecessary. Biologically, we also need competitive traits in the gene pool, but that's a whole other subject and I will demonstrate how law enforcement is bad for human health through excessive domestication. This is all very conceptual and I don't hold your lack of perspective against you. What I am concerned with is the veneration of cops as heroes. They're not heroes. They're just attack dogs for the government who's job is to make and keep people weak and dependent. They're the definition of villainy because they are the destroyers of freedom and beauty.

[Floofybit]

We aren't the people we were thousands of years ago. Without cops, people are greedier than before, and we'd be dead within seconds. Anarchy doesn't work.

We wouldn't be dead in seconds and no law enforcement is not anarchy. Anarchy isn't even real; there is always leaders and structure. We as humans have evolved to be cooperative and this doesn't go away with law enforcement. Most people just want to live their lives and be happy and we're not the same people as before, you're right. We're far more domesticated, altruistic and technologically advanced which makes law enforcement even more unnecessary. Biologically, we also need competitive traits in the gene pool, but that's a whole other subject and I will demonstrate how law enforcement is bad for human health through excessive domestication. This is all very conceptual and I don't hold your lack of perspective against you. What I am concerned with is the veneration of cops as heroes. They're not heroes. They're just attack dogs for the government who's job is to make and keep people weak and dependent. They're the definition of villainy because they are the destroyers of freedom and beauty.

They don't make people weak and dependent. They help people who are weaker in poor scenarios. We need structure, and someone to enforce structure is a key aspect of structure. Plus, too much freedom is a bad thing. Freedom often leads to death

[Forever Indomitable]

We wouldn't be dead in seconds and no law enforcement is not anarchy. Anarchy isn't even real; there is always leaders and structure. We as humans have evolved to be cooperative and this doesn't go away with law enforcement. Most people just want to live their lives and be happy and we're not the same people as before, you're right. We're far more domesticated, altruistic and technologically advanced which makes law enforcement even more unnecessary. Biologically, we also need competitive traits in the gene pool, but that's a whole other subject and I will demonstrate how law enforcement is bad for human health through excessive domestication. This is all very conceptual and I don't hold your lack of perspective against you. What I am concerned with is the veneration of cops as heroes. They're not heroes. They're just attack dogs for the government who's job is to make and keep people weak and dependent. They're the definition of villainy because they are the destroyers of freedom and beauty.

They don't make people weak and dependent. They help people who are weaker in poor scenarios. We need structure, and someone to enforce structure is a key aspect of structure. Plus, too much freedom is a bad thing. Freedom often leads to death

They factually make people weak and dependent, both biologically and socially. Law enforcement selects against the most independent members of society (criminals) and criminals have a higher average testosterone than non-criminals. Testosterone results in tougher, harder men (and women) and law enforcement selects against this, leaving only the most cooperative, passive and dependent humans left in the gene pool. It also causes people to rely on cops to solve their problems, instead of themselves, which deprives them of experience. Cops are weakness incarnate. Weak people forcing weakness on others. That's not heroic. Freedom does lead to death, but that's not even a bad thing. I'd rather die like a man than as a dog in chains.

[Floofybit]

They don't make people weak and dependent. They help people who are weaker in poor scenarios. We need structure, and someone to enforce structure is a key aspect of structure. Plus, too much freedom is a bad thing. Freedom often leads to death

They factually make people weak and dependent, both biologically and socially. Law enforcement selects against the most independent members of society (criminals) and criminals have a higher average testosterone than non-criminals. Testosterone results in tougher, harder men (and women) and law enforcement selects against this, leaving only the most cooperative, passive and dependent humans left in the gene pool. It also causes people to rely on cops to solve their problems, instead of themselves, which deprives them of experience. Cops are weakness incarnate. Weak people forcing weakness on others. That's not heroic. Freedom does lead to death, but that's not even a bad thing. I'd rather die like a man than as a dog in chains.

So it's true? You're pro criminal right? Criminals harm others for their personal gain. That's not someone to commend

[Reverend Norv]

They don't make people weak and dependent. They help people who are weaker in poor scenarios. We need structure, and someone to enforce structure is a key aspect of structure. Plus, too much freedom is a bad thing. Freedom often leads to death

They factually make people weak and dependent, both biologically and socially. Law enforcement selects against the most independent members of society (criminals) and criminals have a higher average testosterone than non-criminals. Testosterone results in tougher, harder men (and women) and law enforcement selects against this, leaving only the most cooperative, passive and dependent humans left in the gene pool. It also causes people to rely on cops to solve their problems, instead of themselves, which deprives them of experience. Cops are weakness incarnate. Weak people forcing weakness on others. That's not heroic. Freedom does lead to death, but that's not even a bad thing. I'd rather die like a man than as a dog in chains.

Then by all means go forth and do so: if taxation is theft, stop paying your taxes, and then shoot at the officers when they come to arrest you. See how that turns out. Until then, all I see here is a lot of hot air.

[Forever Indomitable]

They factually make people weak and dependent, both biologically and socially. Law enforcement selects against the most independent members of society (criminals) and criminals have a higher average testosterone than non-criminals. Testosterone results in tougher, harder men (and women) and law enforcement selects against this, leaving only the most cooperative, passive and dependent humans left in the gene pool. It also causes people to rely on cops to solve their problems, instead of themselves, which deprives them of experience. Cops are weakness incarnate. Weak people forcing weakness on others. That's not heroic. Freedom does lead to death, but that's not even a bad thing. I'd rather die like a man than as a dog in chains.

So it's true? You're pro criminal right? Criminals harm others for their personal gain. That's not someone to commend

It depends on the context. I'm pro-White criminals in general because my race is excessively domesticated and we need those genetics to give us better health and quality. I'm also proud of who I am and I do come from some criminals in my family. People say criminals never produce anything good, but I'm a hard worker, loyal to my friends, my teachers say I'm smart and some people find me attractive. If it wasn't for my heritage, I wouldn't be who I am and I like who I am and so do the people I've helped in life. I have a small respect for anyone who puts their ass on the line to take something for themself because that hunger is the origin of all ambition.

[Forever Indomitable]

They factually make people weak and dependent, both biologically and socially. Law enforcement selects against the most independent members of society (criminals) and criminals have a higher average testosterone than non-criminals. Testosterone results in tougher, harder men (and women) and law enforcement selects against this, leaving only the most cooperative, passive and dependent humans left in the gene pool. It also causes people to rely on cops to solve their problems, instead of themselves, which deprives them of experience. Cops are weakness incarnate. Weak people forcing weakness on others. That's not heroic. Freedom does lead to death, but that's not even a bad thing. I'd rather die like a man than as a dog in chains.

Then by all means go forth and do so: if taxation is theft, stop paying your taxes, and then shoot at the officers when they come to arrest you. See how that turns out. Until then, all I see here is a lot of hot air.

I know actions have consequences. My struggle will be enacted through legal methods. I'd like to die free, but I won't. I don't get that luxury.