Police: Heroes or Villains?

[Hispida]

If taxes don't exist, how would the government maintain basic services like sanitation? Or public health? (Not talking about the USA)

Taxes only exist to keep inflation down or to incentivize you. The real money is whatever the treasury says it is. They can print it and they can make it.

i can also print money but when i do that i get called a "counterfeiter" and i'm "wanted by the IRS"

[Atlantic Federalist Republic]

If taxes don't exist, how would the government maintain basic services like sanitation? Or public health? (Not talking about the USA)

Well, this is what I propose: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=520421

Instead of taxes, you would have consensual membership dues or we could privatize more services.

Police is necessary

This has to be the biggest lie told in history. We factually don't need police. Order and productivity arise without it and are not dependent on it. Law enforcement is a parasitic apparatus with zero benefit and massive detriment.

I think if you live without services for simply not paying taxes it's an injustice.

[Thermodolia]

Taxes only exist to keep inflation down or to incentivize you. The real money is whatever the treasury says it is. They can print it and they can make it.

i can also print money but when i do that i get called a "counterfeiter" and i'm "wanted by the IRS"

IRS doesn’t go after counterfeiters, the US Secret Service does

[Forever Indomitable]

Well, this is what I propose: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=520421

Instead of taxes, you would have consensual membership dues or we could privatize more services.


This has to be the biggest lie told in history. We factually don't need police. Order and productivity arise without it and are not dependent on it. Law enforcement is a parasitic apparatus with zero benefit and massive detriment.

I think if you live without services for simply not paying taxes it's an injustice.

OK, so instead of robbing me, why don't you use your personal money to provide services for them? Ya know, charity.

[Atlantic Federalist Republic]

i can also print money but when i do that i get called a "counterfeiter" and i'm "wanted by the IRS"

IRS doesn’t go after counterfeiters, the US Secret Service does

Seriously? They do that? I don't consider it a wrong decision, but an exaggerated one.

[Hispida]

i can also print money but when i do that i get called a "counterfeiter" and i'm "wanted by the IRS"

IRS doesn’t go after counterfeiters, the US Secret Service does

i mean i'm wanted by the secret service too but that's for entirely unrelated reasons

[Atlantic Federalist Republic]

I think if you live without services for simply not paying taxes it's an injustice.

OK, so instead of robbing me, why don't you use your personal money to provide services for them? Ya know, charity.

So why should I be arrested for evading taxes? (random guy in NS)

I propose that people have the services withdrawn if they don't pay for them (Random guy in NS)

I think you're against one thing, but in favor at the same time only, disguisedly different?

[Forever Indomitable]

OK, so instead of robbing me, why don't you use your personal money to provide services for them? Ya know, charity.

So why should I be arrested for evading taxes? (random guy in NS)

I propose that people have the services withdrawn if they don't pay for them (Random guy in NS)

I think you're against one thing, but in favor at the same time only, disguisedly different?

You answer my question and then I'll answer yours'.

[Thermodolia]

IRS doesn’t go after counterfeiters, the US Secret Service does

Seriously? They do that? I don't consider it a wrong decision, but an exaggerated one.

The USSS was originally created to protect the treasury and to go after counterfeiters. The job of protecting the president is secondary

[Atlantic Federalist Republic]

Seriously? They do that? I don't consider it a wrong decision, but an exaggerated one.

The USSS was originally created to protect the treasury and to go after counterfeiters. The job of protecting the president is secondary

Bruh, just, bruh.

[Forever Indomitable]

The USSS was originally created to protect the treasury and to go after counterfeiters. The job of protecting the president is secondary

Bruh, just, bruh.

Bruh, you gonna answer muh question?

[Atlantic Federalist Republic]

Bruh, just, bruh.

Bruh, you gonna answer muh question?

Who here spoke to you? Without wanting to be aggressive or rude, who spoke to you?

[Forever Indomitable]

Bruh, you gonna answer muh question?

Who here spoke to you? Without wanting to be aggressive or rude, who spoke to you?

Answer my original question. I don't like when people dodge and deflect.

[Atlantic Federalist Republic]

Who here spoke to you? Without wanting to be aggressive or rude, who spoke to you?

Answer my original question. I don't like when people dodge and deflect.

What's the question? (Sorry for the delay, I'm having a war here...)

[Forever Indomitable]

Answer my original question. I don't like when people dodge and deflect.

What's the question? (Sorry for the delay, I'm having a war here...)

No problem, my question was, if you're so concerned with people not having services for not paying taxes, why don't you personally give your money to provide those services to them? We have many people who think society should be provided x, y and z, so why not just personally fund those services? It'd be more efficient than using the middleman (the government).

[Atlantic Federalist Republic]

What's the question? (Sorry for the delay, I'm having a war here...)

No problem, my question was, if you're so concerned with people not having services for not paying taxes, why don't you personally give your money to provide those services to them? We have many people who think society should be provided x, y and z, so why not just personally fund those services? It'd be more efficient than using the middleman (the government).

True, I think it would be much more efficient, much better than feeding the greed of the great Leviathan (government).

[Nue Cascadia]

Villians.

Abolish the public system. Allow people to defend themselves, and allow private security to take over. Competition does a much better job at protection than a sluggish and corrupt public system.

[Atlantic Federalist Republic]

Villians.

Abolish the public system. Allow people to defend themselves, and allow private security to take over. Competition does a much better job at protection than a sluggish and corrupt public system.

Makes sense, but I think that would be very difficult to do, you know, the state wants to have control over you.

[Forever Indomitable]

No problem, my question was, if you're so concerned with people not having services for not paying taxes, why don't you personally give your money to provide those services to them? We have many people who think society should be provided x, y and z, so why not just personally fund those services? It'd be more efficient than using the middleman (the government).

True, I think it would be much more efficient, much better than feeding the greed of the great Leviathan (government).

Right, so what I propose is a form of "democratic capitalism". For example, let's say I lived in a city with a homeless problem. I would prefer to use my own money to build them housing because it's something I consent to and am not forced by the State to do. That's what I want instead of taxes. So, in reference to your question:

OK, so instead of robbing me, why don't you use your personal money to provide services for them? Ya know, charity.

So why should I be arrested for evading taxes? (random guy in NS)

I propose that people have the services withdrawn if they don't pay for them (Random guy in NS)

I think you're against one thing, but in favor at the same time only, disguisedly different?

What I'm against isn't social service, it's the funding of it against my will, coupled with the inherent inefficiency, incompetence and corruption of the State.

[Atlantic Federalist Republic]

True, I think it would be much more efficient, much better than feeding the greed of the great Leviathan (government).

Right, so what I propose is a form of "democratic capitalism". For example, let's say I lived in a city with a homeless problem. I would prefer to use my own money to build them housing because it's something I consent to and am not forced by the State to do. That's what I want instead of taxes. So, in reference to your question:

So why should I be arrested for evading taxes? (random guy in NS)

I propose that people have the services withdrawn if they don't pay for them (Random guy in NS)

I think you're against one thing, but in favor at the same time only, disguisedly different?

What I'm against isn't social service, it's the funding of it against my will, coupled with the inherent inefficiency, incompetence and corruption of the State.

I don't think we have very different opinions, I agree with everything you said here. I even liked a few things about your proposal in that thread, well, anyway, DON'T FEED THE LEVIATHAN.

[Forever Indomitable]

Right, so what I propose is a form of "democratic capitalism". For example, let's say I lived in a city with a homeless problem. I would prefer to use my own money to build them housing because it's something I consent to and am not forced by the State to do. That's what I want instead of taxes. So, in reference to your question:



What I'm against isn't social service, it's the funding of it against my will, coupled with the inherent inefficiency, incompetence and corruption of the State.

I don't think we have very different opinions, I agree with everything you said here. I even liked a few things about your proposal in that thread, well, anyway, DON'T FEED THE LEVIATHAN.

Alright, then, good talk.

[Necroghastia]

Villians.

Abolish the public system. Allow people to defend themselves, and allow private security to take over. Competition does a much better job at protection than a sluggish and corrupt public system.

Because if there's one thing private security has a history of, it's being fair and just.

[Shazbotdom]

Villians.

Abolish the public system. Allow people to defend themselves, and allow private security to take over. Competition does a much better job at protection than a sluggish and corrupt public system.

Because if there's one thing private security has a history of, it's being fair and just.

And Police has a history of being Fair and Just?

You can find dozens of stories from just this past year and a half of how unfair and unjust the police are...

[Neoliberal Consensus]

Local police are racist secessionists and probably backed by Russia. Federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies are trusted experts and defenders of our democracy against Trumpian Russian fascism.

[Nipponkyo]

Police are villains to the criminals and heroes to the innocent