Tutti a casa! Italian political elections, 2022

[Heloin]

If you support fascists you are a fascist.


Because when a fascist does it that means it’s bigotry. I won’t pretend like there is anything positive to see in what has happened, if you support Meloni you are almost certainly a bigot or at best willing to overlook bigotry.

I hope Meloni will turn out be be a sensible leader for the italian people and nation. Maybe exactly because people expect the worst of her she'd try to prove she isnt the monster people believe her. That is very optimistic i admit.

She won't.

I'd say she deserves a chance, if she turns out extremist or axecrazy so it be. For example Liz Truss crashed the pound sterling mere days after in office, thats a very bad start or more an instakill. Meloni hasnt even started yet.

No she doesn't.

I can understand though why people would be concerned. But now she has been elected and we have to see what her first steps in office will be. Deeds speak louder than words.

She's a fascist. At best she will be a pathetic failure who does nothing.

[Pulsroth]

I hope Meloni will turn out be be a sensible leader for the italian people and nation. Maybe exactly because people expect the worst of her she'd try to prove she isnt the monster people believe her. That is very optimistic i admit.

She won't.

I'd say she deserves a chance, if she turns out extremist or axecrazy so it be. For example Liz Truss crashed the pound sterling mere days after in office, thats a very bad start or more an instakill. Meloni hasnt even started yet.

No she doesn't.

I can understand though why people would be concerned. But now she has been elected and we have to see what her first steps in office will be. Deeds speak louder than words.

She's a fascist. At best she will be a pathetic failure who does nothing.

Given that even your average Italian observer can't say with confidence how Meloni's leadership will go, your crystal ball is clearly far better than theirs.

Like Iskanistan said, none of us can claim to be correct about her at this point, no matter what we individually think of her.

[Heloin]

She won't.


No she doesn't.


She's a fascist. At best she will be a pathetic failure who does nothing.

Given that even your average Italian observer can't say with confidence how Meloni's leadership will go, your crystal ball is clearly far better than theirs.

Like Iskanistan said, none of us can claim to be correct about her at this point, no matter what we individually think of her.

Yes you can. I'm not going to lie and pretend anything good can come out of a fascist. The best a fascist can be is a pathetic loser, if they're "good" at their job then they're a monster.

[Ifreann]

Bit weird to act like a politician becomes some kind of tabula rasa upon being elected.

[Heloin]

Bit weird to act like a politician becomes some kind of tabula rasa upon being elected.

Meloni has never done, said, or expressed anything in her life. People voted for her not because of any terrible politics but because she's pretty.

[Kalivyah]

- Italy turns far-right
Guys it's happening

[Sordhau]

>Fascist wins election
>hates LGBT+
>hates brown people
>anti-abortion
>anti-immigration
>loves Mussolini
>Liberals jump to her defense

The Fascist-Liberal Alliance is still going strong it seems.

[San Lumen]

Italy’s likely new prime minister is a racist, xenophobic homophobic bigot who has endorsed the Great Replacement conspiracy theory.

She doesn’t want non European migrants in the country and is opposed to multiculturalism.

Italy now has its own version of Orban. Sad this is what the Italian people wanted.

[Ifreann]

Bit weird to act like a politician becomes some kind of tabula rasa upon being elected.

Meloni has never done, said, or expressed anything in her life. People voted for her not because of any terrible politics but because she's pretty.

Italy elected a fascist mannequin?

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>Fascist wins election
>hates LGBT+
>hates brown people
>anti-abortion
>anti-immigration
>loves Mussolini
>Liberals jump to her defense

The Fascist-Liberal Alliance is still going strong it seems.

Gaslight, genocide, girlboss.

[Gurkland]

Bit weird to act like a politician becomes some kind of tabula rasa upon being elected.

Meloni has never done, said, or expressed anything in her life. People voted for her not because of any terrible politics but because she's pretty.

No, i'm from Italy and she was the former minister of Youth during the Berlusconi's government and she expressed her views in the past, it's just that she was pretty obscure back then and you have to dig a little and in italian in order to find out.

[Heloin]

Meloni has never done, said, or expressed anything in her life. People voted for her not because of any terrible politics but because she's pretty.

Italy elected a fascist mannequin?

Easier to hang upside down.

[Heloin]

Meloni has never done, said, or expressed anything in her life. People voted for her not because of any terrible politics but because she's pretty.

No, i'm from Italy and she was the former minister of Youth during the Berlusconi's government and she expressed her views in the past, it's just that she was pretty obscure back then and you have to dig a little and in italian.

Sarcasm is not your strong suite I take it.

[Gurkland]

No, i'm from Italy and she was the former minister of Youth during the Berlusconi's government and she expressed her views in the past, it's just that she was pretty obscure back then and you have to dig a little and in italian.

Sarcasm is not your strong suite I take it.

Well that's edgy sarcasm, so do you know about her past?

[Heloin]

Sarcasm is not your strong suite I take it.

Well that's edgy sarcasm, so do you know about her past?

Her past as an open fascist as a member of the National Alliance? Or her past as a slightly less open fascist as a founding member of the Brothers of Italy?

[Gurkland]

Italy’s likely new prime minister is a racist, xenophobic homophobic bigot who has endorsed the Great Replacement conspiracy theory.

She doesn’t want non European migrants in the country and is opposed to multiculturalism.

Italy now has its own version of Orban. Sad this is what the Italian people wanted.

Italy, unlike Hungary, still has a head of state that's left leaning and contrary to what people says, italians voted the parliament, not the government and ultimately, only the president of the republic can appoint the government. His pressure will remove the most extremist members of the new government, for example in the first Conte government, he didn't wanted an anti Euro minister of the economy and thus the League was forced to drop that euroskeptic. There's still consultations to take place with the President to negotiate who shall be the new ministers and since fascism is illegal in the Italian constitution, he can dissolve the parliament in case anything goes wrong.

So the game's not over as there's still a system of checks and balances, and the italian supreme court is not as politicized as the American supreme court and they will definitively be an obstacle to those who want to change the status quo.

[San Lumen]

Italy’s likely new prime minister is a racist, xenophobic homophobic bigot who has endorsed the Great Replacement conspiracy theory.

She doesn’t want non European migrants in the country and is opposed to multiculturalism.

Italy now has its own version of Orban. Sad this is what the Italian people wanted.

Italy, unlike Hungary, still has a head of state that's left leaning and contrary to what people says, italians voted the parliament, not the government and ultimately, only the president of the republic can appoint the government. His pressure will remove the most extremist members of the new government, for example in the first Conte government, he didn't wanted an anti Euro minister of the economy and thus the League was forced to drop that euroskeptic. There's still consultations to take place with the President to negotiate who shall be the new ministers and since fascism is illegal in the Italian constitution, he can dissolve the parliament in case anything goes wrong.

So the game's not over as there's still a system of checks and balances, and the italian supreme court is not as politicized as the American supreme court and they will definitively be an obstacle to those who want to change the status quo.

The president could therefore refuse to name Meloni Prime Minister?

[Diarcesia]

Meloni has never done, said, or expressed anything in her life. People voted for her not because of any terrible politics but because she's pretty.

Italy elected a fascist mannequin?

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>Fascist wins election
>hates LGBT+
>hates brown people
>anti-abortion
>anti-immigration
>loves Mussolini
>Liberals jump to her defense

The Fascist-Liberal Alliance is still going strong it seems.

Gaslight, genocide, girlboss.

"When I declare 'slay, queen', I don't mean the minorities!"

[Farnhamia]

Italy, unlike Hungary, still has a head of state that's left leaning and contrary to what people says, italians voted the parliament, not the government and ultimately, only the president of the republic can appoint the government. His pressure will remove the most extremist members of the new government, for example in the first Conte government, he didn't wanted an anti Euro minister of the economy and thus the League was forced to drop that euroskeptic. There's still consultations to take place with the President to negotiate who shall be the new ministers and since fascism is illegal in the Italian constitution, he can dissolve the parliament in case anything goes wrong.

So the game's not over as there's still a system of checks and balances, and the italian supreme court is not as politicized as the American supreme court and they will definitively be an obstacle to those who want to change the status quo.

The president could therefore refuse to name Meloni Prime Minister?

Call and ask them. https://www.quirinale.it/page/contatti

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

>Fascist wins election
>hates LGBT+
>hates brown people
>anti-abortion
>anti-immigration
>loves Mussolini
>Liberals jump to her defense

The Fascist-Liberal Alliance is still going strong it seems.

Liberals are not jumping to her defense. A few insane people on a website full of insane people doesn't spoil the whole metaphorical batch.

[Gurkland]

Italy, unlike Hungary, still has a head of state that's left leaning and contrary to what people says, italians voted the parliament, not the government and ultimately, only the president of the republic can appoint the government. His pressure will remove the most extremist members of the new government, for example in the first Conte government, he didn't wanted an anti Euro minister of the economy and thus the League was forced to drop that euroskeptic. There's still consultations to take place with the President to negotiate who shall be the new ministers and since fascism is illegal in the Italian constitution, he can dissolve the parliament in case anything goes wrong.

So the game's not over as there's still a system of checks and balances, and the italian supreme court is not as politicized as the American supreme court and they will definitively be an obstacle to those who want to change the status quo.

The president could therefore refuse to name Meloni Prime Minister?

That's a good question, the constitution doesn't even mention this scenario.

[San Lumen]

The president could therefore refuse to name Meloni Prime Minister?

That's a good question, the constitution doesn't even mention this scenario.

I hope he does. Someone like her should not be Prime Minister especially when she has endorsed things like Great Replacement.

[Thermodolia]

Italy’s likely new prime minister is a racist, xenophobic homophobic bigot who has endorsed the Great Replacement conspiracy theory.

She doesn’t want non European migrants in the country and is opposed to multiculturalism.

Italy now has its own version of Orban. Sad this is what the Italian people wanted.

Well she’s not an Orban clone. She’s closer to Duda of Poland

[San Lumen]

Italy’s likely new prime minister is a racist, xenophobic homophobic bigot who has endorsed the Great Replacement conspiracy theory.

She doesn’t want non European migrants in the country and is opposed to multiculturalism.

Italy now has its own version of Orban. Sad this is what the Italian people wanted.

Well she’s not an Orban clone. She’s closer to Duda of Poland

Still an awful person and the President should refuse to name her Prime Minister.

[United Bongo States of America]

NO MUSSOLINI

[Frattastan IV]

Let's hope Italy's new government isn't a Russian mole like Hungary is rn, although they gonna be a pain in the arse like Poland is

Unlikely.

True believer fascists like Meloni support Ukraine.

Thats how you can tell them apart from populists like Salvini or Orban who are pro-putin.

She had plenty of pro-Russian comments, as you'd expect for any conservative party that wants to complain about EU institutions and same-sex marriage and the loss of Christian values or whatever. The pivot after the February invasion of Ukraine is part of a campaigning strategy, it's not fundamental. Salvini is equally shallow in his convictions, he just picked the wrong strategy this time.

Among neo-fascists there has actually been a bit of a division since Euromaidan, although the main one that supported Russia, Forza Nuova, has since collapsed.

As for the foreign policy line of the new government, Italy, like France and Germany, has been more sympathetic than the US or the UK (previous ties of various sorts), so in general it makes more noise and pushes for more restrained measures when it's feasible and it's not completely losing its face. When Renzi was Prime Minister he did some obstructionism on Russia sanctions, so it wouldn't be anything new. But overall I doubt it will rock the boat very much when there is so much on the plate already in terms of domestic policies. In foreign policy there are also a lot more constraints. Berlusconi loved Gaddafi, but he still had to deal with the fact that the US, Britain and France were going to overthrow him and fall in line with the rest in 2011.

Given my observation of european politics of the past twenty years or so, I'd be very surprised if Meloni starts doing actual fascist stuff in government.

Democracy has shown some signs of creaking but yes, I doubt this will be the death blow (but things can certainly go worse quickly if we don't see many changes in the next few years). This specific coalition has already been in power in 1994-96, 2001-06 and 2008-11, even if the relative strengths of the parties were different. But even if she doesn't start doing "actual fascist stuff" and there isn't a complete breakdown of democracy there can still be negative consequences for many people.

The president could therefore refuse to name Meloni Prime Minister?

Opening a can of worms there. It would definitely trigger a constitutional crisis, and I doubt he would do it because there is no good justification for it.

Still, no worries, a presidential system is on the right-wing coalition's wishlist. :^)
Their ability to agree on and pass such an extensive constitutional reform is a different topic.