Is True Communism Possible?

[Informed Consent]

Social engineering is something that can and should be pushed.

If you want to manufacture a mass extinction event, yes, definitely.
Human beings are the only species on the planet perverse enough to believe that it must arbitrarily cast its entire species in a universal standardized mold and/or be commanded by one Alpha, Queen, what have you.
Not to mention willfully destroying entire populations of itself in repeated attempts to forward the foolishness.

[Kubra]

and what is it to be "born into power"?

Got me, I was not that lucky.

well why don't we figure out?
Marx's upbringing afforded him a legal education at the university of Berlin and a PhD in philosophy from the university of Jena, the latter only being because its liberal perspective was generally not acceptable to the university of Berlin. A conservative Marx would have a PhD from Berlin, a wife connected to the junker aristocracy, and income from his father's property, which he was set to inherit.
This fella could have achieved some measure of power, couldn't he? Maybe not aristocracy, but a seat in the Reichstag no problem. Is this not sufficient enough for "born into power"?

[Intaglio]

I'm gonna say no; I think communism is one of those things that works better on paper than in reality. For a true communism society to work, it would require the government to remain un-corrupt and maintain the philosophy and humanity has shown itself incapable of doing so on a large-scale.

[HISPIDA]

I'm gonna say no; I think communism is one of those things that works better on paper than in reality. For a true communism society to work, it would require the government to remain un-corrupt and maintain the philosophy and humanity has shown itself incapable of doing so on a large-scale.

a communist society has no government.

[Thomasi]

Well is you are talking about 100% communism, stateless, classless, moneyless, no unless its a global revolution.

You need a state or you have anarchy and money to facilitate trade between individuals.

That said you can absolutely have a nation that is controlled by the working class.

For example if the United States and Soviet Union had not intervened to place dictators on the bench, would have set up a state much closer to Marxism than what happened.

All over the peninsula workers councils were being formed and creating policies such as to collectivize land and they were going to send representatives to regional and national congress. Korea was going to be a democracy. Until it was squashed.

So I think it is possible to have a communist democratic nation.

[Australian rePublic]

True communism is as possible as riding a unicorn or a dragon. It's impossible. Mao Zedong was not Adolf Hitler. Josef Stalin was not Adolf Hitler- Mao or Stalin didn't wake up one morning and say "hmmm... I wanna kill millions of my own people for no reason". Their massacre were as a result of trying to implement "true" communism. Too many millions have died trying to implement true communism, and has it ever been implemented? True communism is impossible. Communism should be condemned the way that NAZIism. The only difference between NAZIism and communism is that the widespread bloodbath of human victims under NAZIism is intentional, whilst the widespread bloodbath of human is an unavoidable consequences of trying, and inevitably, failing to implement communism. In addition to the millions of unnecessary Communism is more or less a war cult. All attempts to to implement true communism have elevated communism to the level of a full-blown religious cult. If true communism were possible, one of the many, many attempts to implement it would have succeeded by now

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Well is you are talking about 100% communism, stateless, classless, moneyless, no unless its a global revolution.

You need a state or you have anarchy and money to facilitate trade between individuals.

That said you can absolutely have a nation that is controlled by the working class.

For example if the United States and Soviet Union had not intervened to place dictators on the bench, would have set up a state much closer to Marxism than what happened.

All over the peninsula workers councils were being formed and creating policies such as to collectivize land and they were going to send representatives to regional and national congress. Korea was going to be a democracy. Until it was squashed.

So I think it is possible to have a communist democratic nation.

and the citizens of these nations like in Cuba, who opposed communist socialism, were arrested, tortured, exiled and executed, while these democratic, communist, socialist councils were being created and their properties nationalized. Cuba under Fidel like in many of these nations had work, reeducation camps for gays, Christians, Catholics, Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses and Political Prisoners, so the answer is No.

[Nevertopia]

communism is doomed too fail every time because it requires you to forfeit all your individual economic freedoms and properties to the government and hope that they aren't corrupt enough to keep most of it for the new bourgeoisie who control said government. Spoilers, they keep most of it for themselves.

Yes, when the workers own the means of production and property, it is actually the government that owns the means of production and property, creating an automatic dictatorship, because their cant be any opposition to anything. Cuba is the perfect example, communist socialism for the people, like for my family still in Cuba and Capitalism for the communist, socialist governing elite, as these links prove: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1642404

Party of the rich $ upper class, Communist Socialist Capitalists of Cuba, served by Black Cubans and toasting to Euros € $ at the end of the video. Please scroll down to the video link: https://www.cubanet.org/noticias/la-fam ... is-cuesta/

Related Party video and showing Cuban government oppression of the people:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVAhGBD ... NFSU1TTZTg

Libertad - Freedom for Cuba Now.

finally someone who gets it. theres nothing in communism that says the proletariat cant become the bourgeoisie.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yes, when the workers own the means of production and property, it is actually the government that owns the means of production and property, creating an automatic dictatorship, because their cant be any opposition to anything. Cuba is the perfect example, communist socialism for the people, like for my family still in Cuba and Capitalism for the communist, socialist governing elite, as these links prove: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1642404

Party of the rich $ upper class, Communist Socialist Capitalists of Cuba, served by Black Cubans and toasting to Euros € $ at the end of the video. Please scroll down to the video link: https://www.cubanet.org/noticias/la-fam ... is-cuesta/

Related Party video and showing Cuban government oppression of the people:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVAhGBD ... NFSU1TTZTg

Libertad - Freedom for Cuba Now.

finally someone who gets it. theres nothing in communism that says the proletariat cant become the bourgeoisie.

literally what lol

[Terminus Station]

finally someone who gets it. theres nothing in communism that says the proletariat cant become the bourgeoisie.

literally what lol

if and when the people seize the means of production, there needs to be an agency to redistribute the wealth. That agency thus becomes an automatic dictatorship due to the power it holds, IE not redistributing the wealth properly and favouring themselves.

[Kubra]

literally what lol

if and when the people seize the means of production, there needs to be an agency to redistribute the wealth. That agency thus becomes an automatic dictatorship due to the power it holds, IE not redistributing the wealth properly and favouring themselves.

Oh, hey, maybe.
So, y'know, what's the problem, then?

[HISPIDA]

Yes, when the workers own the means of production and property, it is actually the government that owns the means of production and property, creating an automatic dictatorship, because their cant be any opposition to anything. Cuba is the perfect example, communist socialism for the people, like for my family still in Cuba and Capitalism for the communist, socialist governing elite, as these links prove: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1642404

Party of the rich $ upper class, Communist Socialist Capitalists of Cuba, served by Black Cubans and toasting to Euros € $ at the end of the video. Please scroll down to the video link: https://www.cubanet.org/noticias/la-fam ... is-cuesta/

Related Party video and showing Cuban government oppression of the people:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVAhGBD ... NFSU1TTZTg

Libertad - Freedom for Cuba Now.

finally someone who gets it. theres nothing in communism that says the proletariat cant become the bourgeoisie.

huh

[Alcala-Cordel]

Yes, when the workers own the means of production and property, it is actually the government that owns the means of production and property, creating an automatic dictatorship, because their cant be any opposition to anything. Cuba is the perfect example, communist socialism for the people, like for my family still in Cuba and Capitalism for the communist, socialist governing elite, as these links prove: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1642404

Party of the rich $ upper class, Communist Socialist Capitalists of Cuba, served by Black Cubans and toasting to Euros € $ at the end of the video. Please scroll down to the video link: https://www.cubanet.org/noticias/la-fam ... is-cuesta/

Related Party video and showing Cuban government oppression of the people:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVAhGBD ... NFSU1TTZTg

Libertad - Freedom for Cuba Now.

finally someone who gets it. theres nothing in communism that says the proletariat cant become the bourgeoisie.

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Communism is about the dissolution of the bourgeoisie as an economic class. If the bourgeoisie are anywhere around it is by definition not communism.

Karl Marx should have written some sort of manifesto with a short explanation of how classes would be restructured. If people read that there would be a lot less confusion.

[The Disorder]

We already have working examples of pseudo-communist cultures, in the form of insect colonies. But for communism to work even remotely well for humans, we would need to bugfix human nature.

At that point, it could certainly be argued that the communist society would no longer be a society of humans. Until transhumanism takes off, installing communism is as hopeless as trying to split atoms with a chisel. It's not going to work out.

[Nue Cascadia]

No. No it is not.

[PhilTech]

We already have working examples of pseudo-communist cultures, in the form of insect colonies. But for communism to work even remotely well for humans, we would need to bugfix human nature.

At that point, it could certainly be argued that the communist society would no longer be a society of humans. Until transhumanism takes off, installing communism is as hopeless as trying to split atoms with a chisel. It's not going to work out.

Could it be that if there are indeed aliens? Their "best" political ideology is communism or anarchism rather than capitalism/socialism? Might be polar opposites really which is interesting to think about it.

[Kubra]

We already have working examples of pseudo-communist cultures, in the form of insect colonies. But for communism to work even remotely well for humans, we would need to bugfix human nature.

At that point, it could certainly be argued that the communist society would no longer be a society of humans. Until transhumanism takes off, installing communism is as hopeless as trying to split atoms with a chisel. It's not going to work out.

Could it be that if there are indeed aliens? Their "best" political ideology is communism or anarchism rather than capitalism/socialism? Might be polar opposites really which is interesting to think about it.

And we need a nuclear war to signal our readiness for advanced socialism

[Thomasi]

Yes as shown by the thousands of communes around the world that basically use communist principles.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Yes as shown by the thousands of communes around the world that basically use communist principles.

But they are not in democratic communist socialist nations, they are in democratic capitalist nations, so the answer is still No.

[Terrorist Group]

no

[La Vida Loca]

I'm not very experienced with the concept of communism, but I don't think it's possible. It would take more effort to set up and maintain than I think any community will ever be willing to put in, and I also think that there will always be naturally corrupt people who will inevitably work their way into government positions, which will lead to all sorts of complications leading to the downfall of the society. In addition, the surrounding capitalist world may put lots of pressure on this hypothetical society to conform to their beliefs. Obtaining outside resources would be quite difficult for this civilization, making advancement a distant prospect. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'd love to discuss this further.

[Terrorist Group]

I'm not very experienced with the concept of communism, but I don't think it's possible. It would take more effort to set up and maintain than I think any community will ever be willing to put in, and I also think that there will always be naturally corrupt people who will inevitably work their way into government positions, which will lead to all sorts of complications leading to the downfall of the society. In addition, the surrounding capitalist world may put lots of pressure on this hypothetical society to conform to their beliefs. Obtaining outside resources would be quite difficult for this civilization, making advancement a distant prospect. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'd love to discuss this further.

I actually think corruption would be less of a problem in a true communist society, since there would be less unemployment, almost nonexistent socioeconomic inequalities, and less people bribing (since everybody’s almost, if not completely equal, you can’t really take bribes from anyone). I also fail to see how trade limitations would make advancement a “distant prospect”.

[HISPIDA]

I'm not very experienced with the concept of communism, but I don't think it's possible. It would take more effort to set up and maintain than I think any community will ever be willing to put in, and I also think that there will always be naturally corrupt people who will inevitably work their way into government positions, which will lead to all sorts of complications leading to the downfall of the society. In addition, the surrounding capitalist world may put lots of pressure on this hypothetical society to conform to their beliefs. Obtaining outside resources would be quite difficult for this civilization, making advancement a distant prospect. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'd love to discuss this further.

I actually think corruption would be less of a problem in a true communist society, since there would be less unemployment, almost nonexistent socioeconomic inequalities, and less people bribing (since everybody’s almost, if not completely equal, you can’t really take bribes from anyone). I also fail to see how trade limitations would make advancement a “distant prospect”.

in a true communist society there would be no unemployment, nonexistent socioeconomic inequalities, and no people bribing because there would be no leverage to bribe with

[Terrorist Group]

I actually think corruption would be less of a problem in a true communist society, since there would be less unemployment, almost nonexistent socioeconomic inequalities, and less people bribing (since everybody’s almost, if not completely equal, you can’t really take bribes from anyone). I also fail to see how trade limitations would make advancement a “distant prospect”.

in a true communist society there would be no unemployment, nonexistent socioeconomic inequalitise, and no people bribing because there would be no leverage to bribe with

You’ll get used to my wording if I stay long enough. I don’t like offending people.

[Duvniask]

Could it be that if there are indeed aliens? Their "best" political ideology is communism or anarchism rather than capitalism/socialism? Might be polar opposites really which is interesting to think about it.

And we need a nuclear war to signal our readiness for advanced socialism

Posadas is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural.