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Who are you in the Matrix?

Blue pill humans
10
38%
Revolutionaries/red pill humans
2
8%
Agents/enforcer programs
2
8%
Exiled programs -
8
31%
Architect/Administrator level programs
4
15%
 
Total votes : 26

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Infected Mushroom
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Matrix Hypothetical

Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:25 am

Please consider the following hypothetical:

The Matrix is real. Humans are actually trapped in a VR world (where they can suffer injuries for real) that resembles the 1990s. Most of them believe this world is real and isn’t aware they are in a program that is designed to generate energy for a race of AI Machines and programs.

These are the categories of life forms in the Matrix-

Blue pill humans - The vast majority of humans. Born and bred in the Matrix, they don’t know they are in a program and follow the rules of society.

Revolutionaries/red pill humans - Understand the true nature of the Matrix and have escaped it. Situationally hack themselves back into the Matrix to free other humans and fight the machine/program oppressors. Can bend and hack the rules of the matrix based on their innate talent/potential, freedom of thinking, and practiced skills.

Agents/enforcer programs - Sentient programs that travel throughout the matrix to enforce law and order. Agents can access the minds of those plugged into the system and take them over, they have OP stats of invulnerability, super strength, bullet dodging, infinite stamina, combat calculation/precognition etc

Exiled programs - Programs that are anomalies but refused to be deleted. Exist in special corners of the Matrix and are mistaken for aliens, ghosts, vampires, werewolves etc by blue pills. Have strange stats and powers. Sone are involved in the trafficking of illegal programs, hacks, and special stats. This organization plays the Agents and the Resistance against each other.

Architect/Administrator level programs - Look like normal gray haired professionals in suits in rooms in corporate buildings with lots of CCTV screens. Have huge amounts of deletion/alteration/modding powers for various aspects of the Matrix but always use them with a frustrating degree of capital R restraint. Have philosophical conversations with other programs of the same level but never really do anything to change things in the grand scheme.


Based on your IRL traits, views, skills and style… which type are you? Why? Discuss.

Poll is up.

I think I would end up as an Agent. I have an obsession with consistency and sameness and view most of my day job as simply enforcing a status quo. I would likely prefer the order imposed by the machines to the randomness of humanity.

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PhilTech
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Postby PhilTech » Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:15 am

Realistically speaking, I'll likely end up as a Blue Pilled Human.

Probably if I was younger I'll dream of becoming a Revolutionary or an Exiled Program.

However, today, if I have the chance to "rise' up the ladder, I would very much aspire to be an Agent/Enforcer. Being a servant and loyal to a status quo isn't so bad after all especially when I feel like it gives my life so much purpose, and yes, even if morality of those "rules" is questionable. And plus, I'll get to wear that awesome suite and tie, and I'll feel like a badass.

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Postby Radiatia » Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:20 am

I'm either a red-pilled human or an exiled programme. It's hard to say which.

I don't feel much sense of identification with the human race but I'm unsure as to whether this is because I'm not human myself, or simply because all my experiences with humans have been through the mediated world of the Matrix.

Normally I'd be fine with machines, but then any machine that would create a world as cruel as this is not one I could be part of.

Okay final answer: I'm an exiled programme. I'm definitely not human but also not on the side of the creators of this version of the Matrix.

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Postby The Archregimancy » Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:41 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:Look like normal gray haired professionals in suits ... Have huge amounts of deletion/alteration/modding powers


I feel represented.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:59 am

Ordinary people in the Matrix didn't take the blue pill. The blue pill is for people who know that there is something wrong with the world in which they live, not in a way that they can explain but a way which they feel nonetheless, who seek out the truth and learn that there is something called the Matrix behind it all, who get to the point of being approached by someone like Trinity and introduced to someone like Morpheus, and who then choose to turn away rather than trusting the hot people in leather and taking the red pill. Within the larger metaphor of the movie, the blue pill could symbolise depression or suicide, but so far as I remember, and I could very well be wrong here, we do not learn what the blue pill literally does. But definitely ordinary people in the Matrix don't take it.

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Postby Risottia » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:04 am

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Postby PhilTech » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:04 am

Ifreann wrote:Ordinary people in the Matrix didn't take the blue pill. The blue pill is for people who know that there is something wrong with the world in which they live, not in a way that they can explain but a way which they feel nonetheless, who seek out the truth and learn that there is something called the Matrix behind it all, who get to the point of being approached by someone like Trinity and introduced to someone like Morpheus, and who then choose to turn away rather than trusting the hot people in leather and taking the red pill. Within the larger metaphor of the movie, the blue pill could symbolise depression or suicide, but so far as I remember, and I could very well be wrong here, we do not learn what the blue pill literally does. But definitely ordinary people in the Matrix don't take it.

So what will be your poison of choice then?

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Postby Kanaka Maol » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:08 am

Blue pill probably
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Postby Kanaka Maol » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:08 am

Blue pill probably
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:09 am

Ifreann wrote:Ordinary people in the Matrix didn't take the blue pill. The blue pill is for people who know that there is something wrong with the world in which they live, not in a way that they can explain but a way which they feel nonetheless, who seek out the truth and learn that there is something called the Matrix behind it all, who get to the point of being approached by someone like Trinity and introduced to someone like Morpheus, and who then choose to turn away rather than trusting the hot people in leather and taking the red pill. Within the larger metaphor of the movie, the blue pill could symbolise depression or suicide, but so far as I remember, and I could very well be wrong here, we do not learn what the blue pill literally does. But definitely ordinary people in the Matrix don't take it.


I'm going by this definition.

https://matrix.fandom.com/wiki/Bluepill

A Bluepill refers to a human that is not aware of the true nature of the Matrix. Bluepills typically have their bodies and minds remain semi-permanently connected to the power plant.


So broadly speaking, it would include people who were born connected and were never offered either of the two pills.
The term gets its name from the color of one of two virtual pills offered by a hovercraft operative to a human still living out a life within the Matrix.


It seems to read (to me) that a human can be a blue pill without having ever been offered a red pill though the term originates from the use of the two pills.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:11 am

PhilTech wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Ordinary people in the Matrix didn't take the blue pill. The blue pill is for people who know that there is something wrong with the world in which they live, not in a way that they can explain but a way which they feel nonetheless, who seek out the truth and learn that there is something called the Matrix behind it all, who get to the point of being approached by someone like Trinity and introduced to someone like Morpheus, and who then choose to turn away rather than trusting the hot people in leather and taking the red pill. Within the larger metaphor of the movie, the blue pill could symbolise depression or suicide, but so far as I remember, and I could very well be wrong here, we do not learn what the blue pill literally does. But definitely ordinary people in the Matrix don't take it.

So what will be your poison of choice then?

I like to think I would become aware of the systems underlying reality, that I would get woke, so to speak, and red-pilled. But probably I'd just be an ordinary person going about my life.

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Postby Fourth Jellian Republic » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:14 am

I think everyone would want to be a red pill human,
But that being said I would probably fit into the exiled program.
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Postby Mestovakia » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:15 am

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:21 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Ordinary people in the Matrix didn't take the blue pill. The blue pill is for people who know that there is something wrong with the world in which they live, not in a way that they can explain but a way which they feel nonetheless, who seek out the truth and learn that there is something called the Matrix behind it all, who get to the point of being approached by someone like Trinity and introduced to someone like Morpheus, and who then choose to turn away rather than trusting the hot people in leather and taking the red pill. Within the larger metaphor of the movie, the blue pill could symbolise depression or suicide, but so far as I remember, and I could very well be wrong here, we do not learn what the blue pill literally does. But definitely ordinary people in the Matrix don't take it.


I'm going by this definition.

https://matrix.fandom.com/wiki/Bluepill

A Bluepill refers to a human that is not aware of the true nature of the Matrix. Bluepills typically have their bodies and minds remain semi-permanently connected to the power plant.


So broadly speaking, it would include people who were born connected and were never offered either of the two pills.
The term gets its name from the color of one of two virtual pills offered by a hovercraft operative to a human still living out a life within the Matrix.


It seems to read (to me) that a human can be a blue pill without having ever been offered a red pill though the term originates from the use of the two pills.

That does seem to be how the fandom refers to ordinary people in the Matrix. But I think it's worth drawing a distinction between people who just go about their lives never knowing anything about the Matrix, and people who come right up to the line of learning the truth but choose to step back.

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Postby Heloin » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:23 am

Ifreann wrote:Ordinary people in the Matrix didn't take the blue pill. The blue pill is for people who know that there is something wrong with the world in which they live, not in a way that they can explain but a way which they feel nonetheless, who seek out the truth and learn that there is something called the Matrix behind it all, who get to the point of being approached by someone like Trinity and introduced to someone like Morpheus, and who then choose to turn away rather than trusting the hot people in leather and taking the red pill. Within the larger metaphor of the movie, the blue pill could symbolise depression or suicide, but so far as I remember, and I could very well be wrong here, we do not learn what the blue pill literally does. But definitely ordinary people in the Matrix don't take it.

The red pill makes you trans and the blue pill means you go back in the closest.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:24 am

Ifreann wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I'm going by this definition.

https://matrix.fandom.com/wiki/Bluepill



So broadly speaking, it would include people who were born connected and were never offered either of the two pills.


It seems to read (to me) that a human can be a blue pill without having ever been offered a red pill though the term originates from the use of the two pills.

That does seem to be how the fandom refers to ordinary people in the Matrix. But I think it's worth drawing a distinction between people who just go about their lives never knowing anything about the Matrix, and people who come right up to the line of learning the truth but choose to step back.


Hmmmm you may have a point. Still, it's too late to add/subtract options without resetting poll numbers.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:30 am

Heloin wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Ordinary people in the Matrix didn't take the blue pill. The blue pill is for people who know that there is something wrong with the world in which they live, not in a way that they can explain but a way which they feel nonetheless, who seek out the truth and learn that there is something called the Matrix behind it all, who get to the point of being approached by someone like Trinity and introduced to someone like Morpheus, and who then choose to turn away rather than trusting the hot people in leather and taking the red pill. Within the larger metaphor of the movie, the blue pill could symbolise depression or suicide, but so far as I remember, and I could very well be wrong here, we do not learn what the blue pill literally does. But definitely ordinary people in the Matrix don't take it.

The red pill makes you trans and the blue pill means you go back in the closest.


One pill makes you larger
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Postby Meguminsk » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:34 am

Let's be real, I'll probably be some blue pilled human. I don't stand out too much irl and I don't have anything special going for me. So yeah. Blue pilled human.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:38 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:Please consider the following hypothetical:

The Matrix is real. Humans are actually trapped in a VR world (where they can suffer injuries for real) that resembles the 1990s. Most of them believe this world is real and isn’t aware they are in a program that is designed to generate energy for a race of AI Machines and programs.

These are the categories of life forms in the Matrix-

Blue pill humans - The vast majority of humans. Born and bred in the Matrix, they don’t know they are in a program and follow the rules of society.

Revolutionaries/red pill humans - Understand the true nature of the Matrix and have escaped it. Situationally hack themselves back into the Matrix to free other humans and fight the machine/program oppressors. Can bend and hack the rules of the matrix based on their innate talent/potential, freedom of thinking, and practiced skills.

Agents/enforcer programs - Sentient programs that travel throughout the matrix to enforce law and order. Agents can access the minds of those plugged into the system and take them over, they have OP stats of invulnerability, super strength, bullet dodging, infinite stamina, combat calculation/precognition etc

Exiled programs - Programs that are anomalies but refused to be deleted. Exist in special corners of the Matrix and are mistaken for aliens, ghosts, vampires, werewolves etc by blue pills. Have strange stats and powers. Sone are involved in the trafficking of illegal programs, hacks, and special stats. This organization plays the Agents and the Resistance against each other.

Architect/Administrator level programs - Look like normal gray haired professionals in suits in rooms in corporate buildings with lots of CCTV screens. Have huge amounts of deletion/alteration/modding powers for various aspects of the Matrix but always use them with a frustrating degree of capital R restraint. Have philosophical conversations with other programs of the same level but never really do anything to change things in the grand scheme.


Based on your IRL traits, views, skills and style… which type are you? Why? Discuss.

Poll is up.

I think I would end up as an Agent. I have an obsession with consistency and sameness and view most of my day job as simply enforcing a status quo. I would likely prefer the order imposed by the machines to the randomness of humanity.


Talking sheep are clearly administrator level and definitely not an exiled program. That's just enforcer propaganda.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:43 am

Heloin wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Ordinary people in the Matrix didn't take the blue pill. The blue pill is for people who know that there is something wrong with the world in which they live, not in a way that they can explain but a way which they feel nonetheless, who seek out the truth and learn that there is something called the Matrix behind it all, who get to the point of being approached by someone like Trinity and introduced to someone like Morpheus, and who then choose to turn away rather than trusting the hot people in leather and taking the red pill. Within the larger metaphor of the movie, the blue pill could symbolise depression or suicide, but so far as I remember, and I could very well be wrong here, we do not learn what the blue pill literally does. But definitely ordinary people in the Matrix don't take it.

The red pill makes you trans and the blue pill means you go back in the closest.

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Postby Free Algerstonia » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:43 am

elon musk told me to take the red pill and the term makes the radical left hate you, so im gonna stick with the red pill and bring down the system that has destroyed the constitution and the vision the founding fathers had for this country. when i free everybody from the matrix and make true american values return, i will abolish all term limits and institute a major cult of personality as the saviour and liberator of mankind from the robot NWO and the great bringer of free will, then i will take advantage of americans not knowing about it to rewrite the constitution to make it explicitly enshrined into law that i can take whatever i want and that i can ban anybody from voting, which will be all members of the democratic party. then, i will form an army of god-fearing american patriots to take over the world and finally be worshipped as a god who created this world and invented the concepts of freedom, democracy, the united states, ice cream, and everything else that is loved
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Postby Chan Island » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:45 am

The vast, vast majority of people are going to be blue-pilled humans- it’s just statistics. And unless you are either some kind of criminal, cop, guérilla fighter squatting in the woods or all-powerful politician, so are you dear reader.

Of course, like most folks, I like to think of myself as a red pill human, but that’s just not the draw.
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Postby Nitrana » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:51 am

Blue pilled human. If I would find out that Matrix isn’t the reality, I would most probably stay blue pilled, considering what is the state of the earth in the series. Better off in a not real world than in a hell on earth.
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Postby North Jus Intius » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:57 am

What's to stop me from taking both pills?
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