American Politics XIII: (Un)Lucky For Some

[Hispida]

north korea:

- ultramilitarism
- dedication to traditional family roles
- idealizes ancient korean states
- palingenetic ultranationalism
- literally advocates for korean racial purity

"but it's socialist!"

No they arnt really.

that's the joke

[Catholic America]

American politics, you say?

right, right.

*taps mic, mic peaks*

so what's the deal with inflation?

i mean, one minute you've got one dollar, and another minute you've got 50 cents! i don't remember buying tickets!

thank you, thank you, i'll be here all night.

even im getting sick of the right wing media constantly bitching about inflation.

[Celritannia]

North Korea is a Fascist Monarchy my dude. Their commitment to Leftist ideals was always questionable, even under Kim Il-Sung.



I mean if you want to explain why and how Socialism "fails" feel free to do so because every time I hear "Socialism doesn't work" and I ask why, I just get "well [x] country is bad/doesn't exist anymore and it calls/called itself Socialist so it must be because of Socialism!" with no actual explanation for why and how Socialism was responsible.

The burden of proof is on you, my dude. You're making the claim that Socialism doesn't work. You need more than an inability to distinguish between correlation and causation.

Lets talk about socialism in europe. How come people were so desperate to get out of socialism that they would throw themselves at a fortress? Why were people in poland so pissed off at socialism all the time? Why did life under these socialist systems just generally suck?

They were passed off at totalitarianism, not socialism.

[Catholic America]

Lets talk about socialism in europe. How come people were so desperate to get out of socialism that they would throw themselves at a fortress? Why were people in poland so pissed off at socialism all the time? Why did life under these socialist systems just generally suck?

They were passed off at totalitarianism, not socialism.

How about in china, where the business had no incentive to offer good services or goods, so people made their own business, and the government could not compete?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

They were passed off at totalitarianism, not socialism.

How about in china, where the business had no incentive to offer good services or goods, so people made their own business, and the government could not compete?

If you think :PRC: of all bloody places is in any way shape or form "socialist" then may Allah have mercy on your soul.

[Sordhau]

of course it works great. Being held at gunpoint motivates people to accept a lot of things.

Yes, clearly the reason Cuba has one of the best healthcare systems in the world (even in spite of the embargo, which is even more impressive!) is because the doctors are being held at gunpoint and told to do a good job or be shot.

This makes total sense.

Oil is the most profitable commodity in the world right now. Why is Venezuela still starving?

Because Venezuelan oil is the cheapest in the world, comprises 80% of Venezuela's exports, Chavez didn't bother to stash money away in case oil prices crashed, the rich people fled the country and took their tax dollars with them, and the country never recovered from the 2008 global financial crisis.

That and Maduro just being a standard crook who siphons funds from the treasury and takes bribe money.

[Catholic America]

How about in china, where the business had no incentive to offer good services or goods, so people made their own business, and the government could not compete?

If you think RC: of all bloody places is in any way shape or form "socialist" then may Allah have mercy on your soul.

Oh yeah here comes the "that wasnt real socialism arguement"

[Celritannia]

They were passed off at totalitarianism, not socialism.

How about in china, where the business had no incentive to offer good services or goods, so people made their own business, and the government could not compete?

China is state capitalist, not socialist.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

If you think :PRC: of all bloody places is in any way shape or form "socialist" then may Allah have mercy on your soul.

Oh yeah here comes the "that wasnt real socialism arguement"

>"a racist capitalist reich isn't socialist"
>"muh not real socialism"
Allahu akbar...

[Catholic America]

How about in china, where the business had no incentive to offer good services or goods, so people made their own business, and the government could not compete?

China is state capitalist, not socialist.

Im talking about the Iron rice bowl policy in the 70s.

[Catholic America]

Oh yeah here comes the "that wasnt real socialism arguement"

>"a racist capitalist reich isn't socialist"
>"muh not real socialism"
Allahu akbar...

Nice bait. China may not be totally socialist today, but they were socialist from 1949-1980ish and life was even worse there so I dont think you want to go down that road.

[Celritannia]

China is state capitalist, not socialist.

Im talking about the Iron rice bowl policy in the 70s.

If you want to look at a functioning socialist nation, look at Portugal.

[Tarsonis]

of course it works great. Being held at gunpoint motivates people to accept a lot of things.

cuba has a higher literacy rate than the US and is generally considered the world's most sustainable developing economy with low housing and transportation costs and succeeding planned collectives despite being under imperialist embargo for 60 years

literacy doesn't necessarily correlate to economic health and half their population still lives below the poverty line. So I'm gonna say nah.

[North Jus Intius]

We should be working towards it.

Besides Biden will issue an 80 Day injunction while a federally mandated board works to find a solution. However if a solution can’t be found then it’s strike time. That gives us about three months which means if a strike happens it will be around October or November.

No. Ban then from doing it. Them striking is a threat to public health and safety.

If it happens around November and power goes out Democrats won’t keep the Senate.

How incredibly Machiavellian of you. Are you quite sure you have the moral consistency to be debating what's good for public health and safety from the safety of your chair? Check the ergonomics of it, could be bad for your arms.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Wonder if i should start calling American Evangelism "Not Real Christendom" because they don't think the Vatican is that great.

[Catholic America]

Wonder if i should start calling American Evangelism "Not Real Christendom" because they don't think the Vatican is that great.

That would piss of others more than me.

[Tarsonis]

Im talking about the Iron rice bowl policy in the 70s.

If you want to look at a functioning socialist nation, look at Portugal.

Portugal is still a capitalist country despite the Socialist party having control. It's a social democracy.

[Drago Soviet Russia]

Wonder if i should start calling American Evangelism "Not Real Christendom" because they don't think the Vatican is that great.

Evangelicals ironically don't consider the Catholic Church to really be that Christian. Some have even written cartoon tracts denouncing it as Satanic. That attitude is easing in some quarters. Some are opening up a little to high church types and embracing them, such as when my parents accepted my brother marrying an Eastern Orthodox girl and converting for her. But there are still plenty of Jack Chick types out there.

[Hispida]

Im talking about the Iron rice bowl policy in the 70s.

If you want to look at a functioning socialist nation, look at Portugal.

LMAOOOO

[Sordhau]

How come people were so desperate to get out of socialism that they would throw themselves at a fortress?

Because the Socialist states of Eastern Europe were overbearing and repressive. This had nothing to do with Socialism and everything to do with governments overstepping their boundaries, which can happen under any system.

Why were people in poland so pissed off at socialism all the time?

Because Socialism was seen as an import from Russia, and Poles hated Russians for reasons going back centuries.

Why did life under these socialist systems just generally suck?

Because the transition from Capitalism to Socialism is time-consuming and expensive venture meant to take place in countries that are wealthy, industrialized, and urbanized whereas the Cold War nations in which Socialism was implemented were all or mostly agrarian, poor, undeveloped, illiterate, and in the case of Eastern Europe and China, war-torn.

[Pasong Tirad]

Im talking about the Iron rice bowl policy in the 70s.

If you want to look at a functioning socialist nation, look at Portugal.

Lol no

[Celritannia]

If you want to look at a functioning socialist nation, look at Portugal.

LMAOOOO

Portugal is a socialist state, or at least states it will attain socialism.

I think it's the closest and best example.

[Sordhau]

If you think RC: of all bloody places is in any way shape or form "socialist" then may Allah have mercy on your soul.

Oh yeah here comes the "that wasnt real socialism arguement"

Yes, the country with the largest number of billionaires on the planet is in fact not a Socialist country.

Is this surprising to you? Because if you know what Socialism is it shouldn't be.

Im talking about the Iron rice bowl policy in the 70s.

If you want to look at a functioning socialist nation, look at Portugal.

Bro, what?

[Celritannia]

If you want to look at a functioning socialist nation, look at Portugal.

Portugal is still a capitalist country despite the Socialist party having control. It's a social democracy.

"The Constituent Assembly affirms the Portuguese people's decision to defend national independence, guarantee citizens' fundamental rights, establish the basic principles of democracy, ensure the primacy of a democratic state based on the rule of law and open up a path towards a socialist society, with respect for the will of the Portuguese people and with a view to the construction of a country that is freer, more just and more fraternal."

[Senkaku]

Oil is the most profitable commodity in the world right now. Why is Venezuela still starving?

Resource curse + so far from God/so close to the United States