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Who do you think will win the Alaska Byelection?

Sarah Palin
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58%
Nich Begich III
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Mary Sattler Peltola
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Port Caverton
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Port Caverton » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:18 am

Hispida wrote:i once again submit the immortal fires of marxism-leninism-maoism

No.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:18 am

Hispida wrote:i once again submit the immortal fires of marxism-leninism-maoism


History is on the side of Jamesianism. God will vindicate me in the end. My ideology will outlive yours I will bury you! (Nikita Khrushchev reference for the mods)
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Hispida
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Anarchy

Postby Hispida » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:19 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Hispida wrote:i once again submit the immortal fires of marxism-leninism-maoism


History is on the side of Jamesianism. God will vindicate me in the end. My ideology will outlive yours I will bury you! (Nikita Khrushchev reference for the mods)

liberals come and go, but the socialist people remain
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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:19 am

Hispida wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
History is on the side of Jamesianism. God will vindicate me in the end. My ideology will outlive yours I will bury you! (Nikita Khrushchev reference for the mods)

liberals come and go, but the socialist people remain


I’m a socialist.

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Catholic America
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Postby Catholic America » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:20 am

Hispida wrote:i once again submit the immortal fires of marxism-leninism-maoism

how could you support such a regime that murdered many sparrows (and created pol potism, the scariest ideology)
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Postby Thomasi » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:20 am

If Marx has become ruler of Germany Communism would have worked, because the worlds most intelegent nations would have been executing the Marxist plan vs the the low IQ Russians.

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Port Caverton
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Port Caverton » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:20 am

Hispida wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
History is on the side of Jamesianism. God will vindicate me in the end. My ideology will outlive yours I will bury you! (Nikita Khrushchev reference for the mods)

liberals come and go, but the socialist people remain

Then why do people like James and SL still exist?

Also why hasn't socialism taken over yet then?
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Postby Hispida » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:20 am

Catholic America wrote:
Hispida wrote:i once again submit the immortal fires of marxism-leninism-maoism

how could you support such a regime that murdered many sparrows (and created pol pot, the scariest ideology)

pol pot was a fascist who didn't read anything even remotely related to marxism and was propped up by the CIA
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:21 am

Port Caverton wrote:
Hispida wrote:liberals come and go, but the socialist people remain

Then why do people like James and SL still exist?

Also why hasn't socialism taken over yet then?


I support workers rights though.

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Postby Catholic America » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:21 am

Hispida wrote:
Catholic America wrote:how could you support such a regime that murdered many sparrows (and created pol pot, the scariest ideology)

pol pot was a fascist who didn't read anything even remotely related to marxism propped up by the CIA

A facist who sure loved communistic agrarian principles like factory farms and collective farms.
Talking about how democracy is at risk is the new won’t someone think of the children.

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Postby Catholic America » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:22 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Then why do people like James and SL still exist?

Also why hasn't socialism taken over yet then?


I support workers rights though.

as do I, but unions scare me, such as police unions and teacher unions that drove the country into the dirt in the pandemic, and the unions that destroyed detroits auto industry in the 70s and 80s.
Talking about how democracy is at risk is the new won’t someone think of the children.

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Postby Hispida » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:23 am

Catholic America wrote:
Hispida wrote:pol pot was a fascist who didn't read anything even remotely related to marxism propped up by the CIA

A facist who sure loved communistic agrarian principles like factory farms and collective farms.

take a read through this
it's a bit biased but does a really good deep dive into pol pot
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Postby Sordhau » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:23 am

Catholic America wrote:So are you more economically left or culturally left?


It is intellectually dishonest to be one and not the other. They are more closely related than American corporate-run media would have you believe.
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Postby Catholic America » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:25 am

Sordhau wrote:
Catholic America wrote:So are you more economically left or culturally left?


It is intellectually dishonest to be one and not the other. They are more closely related than American corporate-run media would have you believe.

my ideology is economically left, but culturally right. also ideologies like stalinism and leninism, juche, and most other soviet ideologies are culturally right. What do you think the soviets in the 50s thought of gay rights? The answer is they shot gays in the basement of lubyanka.
Talking about how democracy is at risk is the new won’t someone think of the children.

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Postby Sordhau » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:25 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Hispida wrote:liberals come and go, but the socialist people remain


I’m a socialist.


Lol. Lmao, even.

Thomasi wrote:If Marx has become ruler of Germany Communism would have worked, because the worlds most intelegent nations would have been executing the Marxist plan vs the the low IQ Russians.


Holy racism, Batman!

Catholic America wrote:
Hispida wrote:pol pot was a fascist who didn't read anything even remotely related to marxism propped up by the CIA

A facist who sure loved communistic agrarian principles like factory farms and collective farms.


Pol Pot was utterly deranged and psychotic. I'm not convinced he even had an ideology. Nobody stans for Pol Pot unironically.
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Postby Sordhau » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:26 am

Catholic America wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
It is intellectually dishonest to be one and not the other. They are more closely related than American corporate-run media would have you believe.

my ideology is economically left, but culturally right. also ideologies like stalinism and leninism, juche, and most other soviet ideologies are culturally right. What do you think the soviets in the 50s thought of gay rights? The answer is they shot gays in the basement of lubyanka.


I'm aware of the inherent contradictions and hypocrisies of 19th and 20th century Leftists, thank you.
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Tarsonis » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:26 am

Drago Soviet Russia wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
Your entire ideology is literally just Social Democracy. We don't need any more of that nonsense.


It's an improvement, though we need more socialism than that.


Nah, social democracy works. socialism doesn't.
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Postby Catholic America » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:26 am

Sordhau wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
I’m a socialist.


Lol. Lmao, even.

Thomasi wrote:If Marx has become ruler of Germany Communism would have worked, because the worlds most intelegent nations would have been executing the Marxist plan vs the the low IQ Russians.


Holy racism, Batman!

Catholic America wrote:A facist who sure loved communistic agrarian principles like factory farms and collective farms.


Pol Pot was utterly deranged and psychotic. I'm not convinced he even had an ideology. Nobody stans for Pol Pot unironically.

Now thats probably correct. People just make the memes and say they are pol potists to be edgy.
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:28 am

Drago Soviet Russia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
See the problem with this sort of accelerationism is the damage it does in the process.


Wake up and witness the damage already being done. There's nothing to lose at this stage. We've lost Roe. We're already likely to lose Griswold, Obergefell, and Lawrence. There's nothing being accomplished by a Democratic majority. Biden is useless, Harris even worse. This is literally the point when replacement of the Democrats would make the most sense.


And your solution is to hand the keys to the people who want to do that to do so entirely unchecked?
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Postby Hispida » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:30 am

Catholic America wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
It is intellectually dishonest to be one and not the other. They are more closely related than American corporate-run media would have you believe.

my ideology is economically left, but culturally right. also ideologies like stalinism and leninism, juche, and most other soviet ideologies are culturally right. What do you think the soviets in the 50s thought of gay rights? The answer is they shot gays in the basement of lubyanka.

1. juche isn't socialist
2. stalinism and leninism are the same thing, "stalinism" is a pejorative made up by anti-soviet "leftists"
3. it's almost like ideologies evolve over time. friendly reminder that the RSFSR was the first country to de facto legalize homosexuality and transgender rights (although they were never codified) and soviet scientists declared that homosexuality was "perfectly natural and should be legally and socially respected" as early as 1925

sure stalin's government went back on that but it's not like everything stalin did was morally correct. the dude wasn't an unfaltering paragon and, surprise surprise, did wrong things. and it's not like stalin did this against the population's will, by 1930 the vast majority of the USSR's citizenry was overwhelmingly anti-gay. not that it was the right stance, but it was the stance of the population.
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Postby Sordhau » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:34 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Drago Soviet Russia wrote:
It's an improvement, though we need more socialism than that.


Nah, social democracy works. socialism doesn't.


>be me
>Right-winger
>"Socialism doesn't work"
>never explain why or how


Damn, looks like I lost another debate! :roll:
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Postby Catholic America » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:35 am

Hispida wrote:
Catholic America wrote:my ideology is economically left, but culturally right. also ideologies like stalinism and leninism, juche, and most other soviet ideologies are culturally right. What do you think the soviets in the 50s thought of gay rights? The answer is they shot gays in the basement of lubyanka.

1. juche isn't socialist
2. it's almost like ideologies evolve over time. friendly reminder that the RSFSR was the first country to de facto legalize homosexuality and transgender rights (although they were never codified) and soviet scientists declared that homosexuality was "perfectly natural and should be legally and socially respected" as early as 1925

sure stalin's government went back on that but it's not like everything stalin did was morally correct. the dude wasn't an unfaltering paragon and, surprise surprise, did wrong things. and it's not like stalin did this against the population's will, by 1930 the vast majority of the USSR's citizenry was overwhelmingly anti-gay. not that it was the right stance, but it was the stance of the population.

On top of being anti gay and anti transgender, the soviets were anti abortion, anti minority rights, and very nationalist. Im just not convinced that the soviet union was a left wing state, culturally.
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Postby Catholic America » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:36 am

Sordhau wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Nah, social democracy works. socialism doesn't.


>be me
>Right-winger
>"Socialism doesn't work"
>never explain why or how


Damn, looks like I lost another debate! :roll:

It worked great in cuba! and Venuzuela.
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Drago Soviet Russia » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:38 am

Vassenor wrote:
Drago Soviet Russia wrote:
Wake up and witness the damage already being done. There's nothing to lose at this stage. We've lost Roe. We're already likely to lose Griswold, Obergefell, and Lawrence. There's nothing being accomplished by a Democratic majority. Biden is useless, Harris even worse. This is literally the point when replacement of the Democrats would make the most sense.


And your solution is to hand the keys to the people who want to do that to do so entirely unchecked?


No, my solution is to replace the useless people who aren't stopping them, anyway, from blocking the people who would defeat them. The Republicans are already unchecked. They're just using the States and the Courts to get their way. Biden is a joke. The Democratic Party is a failed party machine that only exists to block the left, not the Republicans. That's all that they even wish to do.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:38 am

Sordhau wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
I’m a socialist.


Lol. Lmao, even.

Thomasi wrote:If Marx has become ruler of Germany Communism would have worked, because the worlds most intelegent nations would have been executing the Marxist plan vs the the low IQ Russians.


Holy racism, Batman!

Catholic America wrote:A facist who sure loved communistic agrarian principles like factory farms and collective farms.


Pol Pot was utterly deranged and psychotic. I'm not convinced he even had an ideology. Nobody stans for Pol Pot unironically.

Pol Pot, like Mao read some Western writers' silly racist ideas and became convinced that "forcible population reduction" is the way forwards.
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