American Politics XIII: (Un)Lucky For Some

[San Lumen]

So in other words you only get who you want if your party controls the Senate.

Yes. If they don't, then you have to find someone they'll confirm. Been that way for 233 years San. Separation of Powers, blame Montesquieu.

Why not extend this to every executive nomination? Don’t control the Senate? You don’t get a cabinet.

Politics is a fickle mistress. Stand up on the big appointments and you're taking a principled stand. Refuse to fill the undersecretary of political affairs, and you just look petty.

I doubt most people even know what that job is.

Why not refuse to confirm heads of cabinet offices and any judicial nominations?

[Thermodolia]

So in other words you only get who you want if your party controls the Senate.

Yes. If they don't, then you have to find someone they'll confirm. Been that way for 233 years San. Separation of Powers, blame Montesquieu.

Why not extend this to every executive nomination? Don’t control the Senate? You don’t get a cabinet.

Politics is a fickle mistress. Stand up on the big appointments and you're taking a principled stand. Refuse to fill the undersecretary of political affairs, and you just look petty.

Besides both sides like certain offices to be filled, namely the DOD, State, DOJ, and Homeland. The rest is whatever

[Tarsonis]

Yes. If they don't, then you have to find someone they'll confirm. Been that way for 233 years San. Separation of Powers, blame Montesquieu.



Politics is a fickle mistress. Stand up on the big appointments and you're taking a principled stand. Refuse to fill the undersecretary of political affairs, and you just look petty.

I doubt most people even know what that job is.

Why not refuse to confirm heads of cabinet offices and any judicial nominations?

Same reason, Politics is the art of the possible, not the art of doing whatever the hell you want

[American Legionaries]

I've quite loudly advocated for boycotting the state legislature. Even if it doesn't stop legal quorum it's a powerful tool of protest and cheapens the public's opinion on laws passed by the remaining single-party rump assembly.

So tell your state party to run on this. They wont get anything they want in the budget because they won’t be at the capitol and your little town gets nothing.

Why do you continually tell me to do things I actively do?

[San Lumen]

I doubt most people even know what that job is.

Why not refuse to confirm heads of cabinet offices and any judicial nominations?

Same reason, Politics is the art of the possible, not the art of doing whatever the hell you want

If your using the argument if they don’t share our values why not refuse to nominate anyone. The government can’t function and moronic voters would reward Republicans for it.

[The Black Forrest]

If President Obama had nominated Gorsuch, the Senate probably would have consented

Why would he nominate someone who doesn’t share his values?

Values shouldn’t be a measure of a judge.

His knowledge of the law. For example; I didn’t like Scalia. Our values did not match. He could still present an argument that would make you think.

The problem we have now are the measure of values.

[San Lumen]

So tell your state party to run on this. They wont get anything they want in the budget because they won’t be at the capitol and your little town gets nothing.

Why do you continually tell me to do things I actively do?

Did you ever get a response?

[San Lumen]

Why would he nominate someone who doesn’t share his values?

Values shouldn’t be a measure of a judge.

His knowledge of the law. For example; I didn’t like Scalia. Our values did not match. He could still present an argument that would make you think.

The problem we have now are the measure of values.

Why would Obama have picked a conservative judge?

[Tarsonis]

Why would the senate confirm someone who doesn't share theirs?

They didn’t exactly purge garland form their party when they rejected him.

Nobody had a problem with Garland, per se, it was more who he was replacing. Granted Gorsuch isn't as conservative as Scalia was either.

[Tarsonis]

Values shouldn’t be a measure of a judge.

His knowledge of the law. For example; I didn’t like Scalia. Our values did not match. He could still present an argument that would make you think.

The problem we have now are the measure of values.

Why would Obama have picked a conservative judge?

Cause of who left the vacancy for starters.

[American Legionaries]

Why would he nominate someone who doesn’t share his values?

Values shouldn’t be a measure of a judge.

His knowledge of the law. For example; I didn’t like Scalia. Our values did not match. He could still present an argument that would make you think.

The problem we have now are the measure of values.

It must be nice to have the luxury of this opinion.

[American Legionaries]

They didn’t exactly purge garland form their party when they rejected him.

Nobody had a problem with Garland, per se, it was more who he was replacing. Granted Gorsuch isn't as conservative as Scalia was either.

Tars, denying personhood to people is rude...

[Tarsonis]

Same reason, Politics is the art of the possible, not the art of doing whatever the hell you want

If your using the argument if they don’t share our values why not refuse to nominate anyone. The government can’t function and moronic voters would reward Republicans for it.

It's called compromise San. The Senate doesn't just rubber stamp appointments, they advise and consent. If they don't consent, the President doesn't get his pick.

If that confuses you, you really have a poor grasp on the concept of politics.

[American Legionaries]

Why do you continually tell me to do things I actively do?

Did you ever get a response?

It was a lot wordier but it basically amounted to "shut the fuck up, Tel".

[Tarsonis]

Nobody had a problem with Garland, per se, it was more who he was replacing. Granted Gorsuch isn't as conservative as Scalia was either.

Tars, denying personhood to people is rude...

You missed me with that one

[San Lumen]

Why would Obama have picked a conservative judge?

Cause of who left the vacancy for starters.

A conservative isn’t entitled to that seat.

[Tarsonis]

Values shouldn’t be a measure of a judge.

His knowledge of the law. For example; I didn’t like Scalia. Our values did not match. He could still present an argument that would make you think.

The problem we have now are the measure of values.

It must be nice to have the luxury of this opinion.

I mean, I share that opinion, it's just perfect world and all

[San Lumen]

Did you ever get a response?

It was a lot wordier but it basically amounted to "shut the fuck up, Tel".

Your Republican Party chair said this to you? Maybe they aren’t politically suicidal?

[American Legionaries]

Tars, denying personhood to people is rude...

You missed me with that one

There's a fair few folks in this country your post reduced to "nobody".

[American Legionaries]

It was a lot wordier but it basically amounted to "shut the fuck up, Tel".

Your Republican Party chair said this to you? Maybe they aren’t politically suicidal?

Well it was probably some intern...

[San Lumen]

Your Republican Party chair said this to you? Maybe they aren’t politically suicidal?

Well it was probably some intern...

What makes you say that?

[Prima Scriptura]

I will say Joe Biden can go fuck himself for wanting to ban menthol cigarettes

[Tarsonis]

You missed me with that one

There's a fair few folks in this country your post reduced to "nobody".

I meant in the Senate. I know you hated him, you hate everybody.

[American Legionaries]

There's a fair few folks in this country your post reduced to "nobody".

I meant in the Senate. I know you hated him, you hate everybody.

Nonsense, I just hate bad people is all.

[Tarsonis]

Did you ever sent one in the first place.

The quorum rules in California are A simple majority of the membership of a committee or the Assembly or Senate; I take this to mean that even if every Republican in the legislature refused to show up the business of government would proceed in Sacramento.

I've quite loudly advocated for boycotting the state legislature. Even if it doesn't stop legal quorum it's a powerful tool of protest and cheapens the public's opinion on laws passed by the remaining single-party rump assembly.

Bleeding Kansas is a pretty good example of that not being true.