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Who do you think will win the Alaska Byelection?

Sarah Palin
38
58%
Nich Begich III
21
32%
Mary Sattler Peltola
6
9%
 
Total votes : 65

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Vassenor
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:46 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
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That doesn’t make him a legend. Why not extend that to all appointments? Would it be ok if Democrats did that to a Republican president or Governor?


Standing up for what's right is always the best choice.


And without mentioning guns I want you to explain why it was right for McConnell to subvert a democratic process like that.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:47 pm

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You know, police didn't really carry long guns until they started getting shot with them.

Police carried long guns since their humble origins hunting for escaped enslaved people.



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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:47 pm

Vassenor wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Standing up for what's right is always the best choice.


And without mentioning guns I want you to explain why it was right for McConnell to subvert a democratic process like that.


Because guns, Vass.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:48 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And without mentioning guns I want you to explain why it was right for McConnell to subvert a democratic process like that.


Because guns, Vass.


So the entire process of government should grind to a halt over your stupid pieces of metal?

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:48 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And without mentioning guns I want you to explain why it was right for McConnell to subvert a democratic process like that.


Because guns, Vass.


So you can't explain why it was good and vital for McConnell to subvert democratic processes then.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:49 pm

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/live-update ... are-taxes/

Biden signs Inflation Reduction Act into law, sealing major Democratic victory on climate, health care and taxes

Manchin received the first of several pens to used to sign the bill.

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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:50 pm

Vassenor wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Because guns, Vass.


So you can't explain why it was good and vital for McConnell to subvert democratic processes then.


I just did. Just because you don't like an answer doesn't mean it isn't an answer.

San Lumen wrote:
So the entire process of government should grind to a halt over your stupid pieces of metal?


Yes.

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Supreme Court justices, he appointed three. The Supreme Court building in DC is on First Street.


One of those was Obama’s seat to fill but McConnell refused to allow a vote because apparently the new precedent is you only get a Supreme Court pick if your party controls the Senate.


If President Obama had nominated Gorsuch, the Senate probably would have consented
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:52 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
One of those was Obama’s seat to fill but McConnell refused to allow a vote because apparently the new precedent is you only get a Supreme Court pick if your party controls the Senate.


If President Obama had nominated Gorsuch, the Senate probably would have consented


Why would he nominate someone who doesn’t share his values?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
If President Obama had nominated Gorsuch, the Senate probably would have consented


Why would he nominate someone who doesn’t share his values?


Because then the Senate would have actually gone forward with it.
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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
If President Obama had nominated Gorsuch, the Senate probably would have consented


Why would he nominate someone who doesn’t share his values?


Why would the Senate approve someone who doesn't share their values?

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:53 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So you can't explain why it was good and vital for McConnell to subvert democratic processes then.


I just did. Just because you don't like an answer doesn't mean it isn't an answer.

San Lumen wrote:
So the entire process of government should grind to a halt over your stupid pieces of metal?


Yes.

Send a letter to the California Republican Party chair telling the party to run on they will not show up to the Capitol if elected and grind state government to a halt.

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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
I just did. Just because you don't like an answer doesn't mean it isn't an answer.



Yes.

Send a letter to the California Republican Party chair telling the party to run on they will not show up to the Capitol if elected and grind state government to a halt.


Again?

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Tarsonis
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
If President Obama had nominated Gorsuch, the Senate probably would have consented


Why would he nominate someone who doesn’t share his values?


Why would the senate confirm someone who doesn't share theirs?
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:56 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Why would he nominate someone who doesn’t share his values?


Why would the senate confirm someone who doesn't share theirs?


So in other words you only get who you want if your party controls the Senate.

Why not extend this to every executive nomination? Don’t control the Senate? You don’t get a cabinet.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:58 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Send a letter to the California Republican Party chair telling the party to run on they will not show up to the Capitol if elected and grind state government to a halt.


Again?


Did you ever sent one in the first place.

The quorum rules in California are A simple majority of the membership of a committee or the Assembly or Senate; I take this to mean that even if every Republican in the legislature refused to show up the business of government would proceed in Sacramento.

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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:59 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Why would the senate confirm someone who doesn't share theirs?


So in other words you only get who you want if your party controls the Senate.

Why not extend this to every executive nomination? Don’t control the Senate? You don’t get a cabinet.


You realize that is how that works already, right?

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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Uiiop » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:59 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Why would he nominate someone who doesn’t share his values?


Why would the senate confirm someone who doesn't share theirs?

They didn’t exactly purge garland form their party when they rejected him.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:00 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
So in other words you only get who you want if your party controls the Senate.

Why not extend this to every executive nomination? Don’t control the Senate? You don’t get a cabinet.


You realize that is how that works already, right?


No it isn’t. Reagan got his picks and so did Clinton.

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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Again?


Did you ever sent one in the first place.

The quorum rules in California are A simple majority of the membership of a committee or the Assembly or Senate; I take this to mean that even if every Republican in the legislature refused to show up the business of government would proceed in Sacramento.


I've quite loudly advocated for boycotting the state legislature. Even if it doesn't stop legal quorum it's a powerful tool of protest and cheapens the public's opinion on laws passed by the remaining single-party rump assembly.

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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
You realize that is how that works already, right?


No it isn’t. Reagan got his picks and so did Clinton.


Cabinet positions are confirmed by the senate. The fact that the senate confirmed those cabinet members doesn't mean they weren't confirmed by the senate.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:01 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Did you ever sent one in the first place.

The quorum rules in California are A simple majority of the membership of a committee or the Assembly or Senate; I take this to mean that even if every Republican in the legislature refused to show up the business of government would proceed in Sacramento.


I've quite loudly advocated for boycotting the state legislature. Even if it doesn't stop legal quorum it's a powerful tool of protest and cheapens the public's opinion on laws passed by the remaining single-party rump assembly.


So tell your state party to run on this. They wont get anything they want in the budget because they won’t be at the capitol and your little town gets nothing.

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Tarsonis
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:03 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Why would the senate confirm someone who doesn't share theirs?


So in other words you only get who you want if your party controls the Senate.


Yes. If they don't, then you have to find someone they'll confirm. Been that way for 233 years San. Separation of Powers, blame Montesquieu.

Why not extend this to every executive nomination? Don’t control the Senate? You don’t get a cabinet.


Politics is a fickle mistress. Stand up on the big appointments and you're taking a principled stand. Refuse to fill the undersecretary of political affairs, and you just look petty.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
You realize that is how that works already, right?


No it isn’t. Reagan got his picks and so did Clinton.

That’s effectively how it works though. You gotta nominate people who will get through. You don’t nominate wackos
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
You realize that is how that works already, right?


No it isn’t. Reagan got his picks and so did Clinton.



Really? how many opinions has Justice Bork written?
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NS Keyboard Warrior since 2005
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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