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Sarah Palin
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Tarsonis
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:57 pm

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I mean, all law enforcement agents should be armed.


I'm not a massive fan of the police state expanding.


You know, police didn't really carry long guns until they started getting shot with them.
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Greater Miami Shores 3
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:59 pm

Shazbotdom wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:You guys say we worship Trump like a God. We say he strongly agrees with our policies, and he was a great President of the USA. Just like our views are irrelevant to you guys, your views are irrelevant to us, it works both ways. You guys can claim Trump was the worst President in US history, you guys can claim we are Trump cultists, and you do. But we are not Trump cultists, just ask me and ask us. According to me and us, Biden is the worst president in American History, and the Democrats stole the election for Biden, just ask me and ask us.


Every single fucking post you make is literally praising him, even when the post you are quoting doesn't even mention him, or have anything to do with him. That is worship-level shit.

And, no, both Trump and Biden are amongst the worst, with both Bush's and Obama being a close 3rd and 4th.

But, at least I am not blinded by Partisan bullshit like you are.

Your post to me is we worship Trump like a God, you mentioned Trump, all of you guys posts are Trump bad, Trump no good and Trump evil. You guys never post Trump good, Trump great and Trump awesome. All your posts are anti Trump, we are even. In your case, this is the only post I have ever seen of you saying, Trump, Biden, Bush and Obama are bad presidents, you are definitely the exception to the rule, my bad.
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Postby Celritannia » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:01 pm

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:05 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Shazbotdom wrote:
Every single fucking post you make is literally praising him, even when the post you are quoting doesn't even mention him, or have anything to do with him. That is worship-level shit.

And, no, both Trump and Biden are amongst the worst, with both Bush's and Obama being a close 3rd and 4th.

But, at least I am not blinded by Partisan bullshit like you are.

Your post to me is we worship Trump like a God, you mentioned Trump, all of you guys posts are Trump bad, Trump no good and Trump evil. You guys never post Trump good, Trump great and Trump awesome. All your posts are anti Trump, we are even. In your case, this is the only post I have ever seen of you saying, Trump, Biden, Bush and Obama are bad presidents, you are definitely the exception to the rule, my bad.


Well maybe Trump should've done something worthy of praise then.
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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:05 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Problem becomes the far reaching implications. If I take a photo of my family and happen to catch you hanging brain in the background, am I violating your privacy by showing my family to friends? if a photo I take legally isn't my property to do with what I want, that means I'm legally liable for anything I photograph, no matter how innocuous.
Everyone here can be sued for their Facebook pages right now.


There are no “far reaching” implications. Do you know of ANY family being cool with you showing the mutilated remains of family members?

Again police work doesn’t mean you get to take pictures for your personal jollies.


Depends on the how and why he took the photo, and whether it was legal for him to do so. I don't know why your so incredulous, this is an issue that's been contested since probably the invention of the photograph. I mean are you really gonna say pictures aren't property? If I took all the photos out of your grandma's photo album, how willing would you be to say I hadn't committed a crime since she didn't own them?


Do you do realize you are defending a guy who took pictures of a mutilated 13 year old girl and is showing them to people for kicks.

There is a VAST difference between showing family pictures and taking pictures from a crime scene. You as part of the family got to make that choice.

The cop isn’t part of the Bryant family. Private property is no excuse in the matter.


The problem here is that while disgusting, taking those pictures isn't a crime. I think it ought to be, but it wasn't. So the resulting lawsuit is basically asserting that legally taking photos in public opens someone up to a lawsuit if they capture something someone objects to.

What we need is a law tailored to these situations, maybe one that prohibits emergency responders from taking non-duty related photographs?
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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:06 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Your post to me is we worship Trump like a God, you mentioned Trump, all of you guys posts are Trump bad, Trump no good and Trump evil. You guys never post Trump good, Trump great and Trump awesome. All your posts are anti Trump, we are even. In your case, this is the only post I have ever seen of you saying, Trump, Biden, Bush and Obama are bad presidents, you are definitely the exception to the rule, my bad.


Well maybe Trump should've done something worthy of praise then.


Well, he did. I can think of three in particular.

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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:09 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:If President Trump is indicted, it is not because he is guilty, it's because the Hypocrite, Leftist, Democrat, Trump Haters, of over 4 years and counting are Politically Prosecuting him.


You’re treating Trump like he is the 2nd Advent.


Which is blasphemy.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:12 pm


Ofc djt's desperate
There's nobody in jail that will massage his enlarded arse after all
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Prima Scriptura
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:13 pm




I hope at least he is in custody while he’s on trial. He belongs in prison, but I don’t think he’s gonna get convicted. The motherfucker deserves at least some form of deprivation of liberty.
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Greater Miami Shores 3
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:13 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Your post to me is we worship Trump like a God, you mentioned Trump, all of you guys posts are Trump bad, Trump no good and Trump evil. You guys never post Trump good, Trump great and Trump awesome. All your posts are anti Trump, we are even. In your case, this is the only post I have ever seen of you saying, Trump, Biden, Bush and Obama are bad presidents, you are definitely the exception to the rule, my bad.


Well maybe Trump should've done something worthy of praise then.

According to whom?
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:13 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Your post to me is we worship Trump like a God, you mentioned Trump, all of you guys posts are Trump bad, Trump no good and Trump evil. You guys never post Trump good, Trump great and Trump awesome. All your posts are anti Trump, we are even. In your case, this is the only post I have ever seen of you saying, Trump, Biden, Bush and Obama are bad presidents, you are definitely the exception to the rule, my bad.


Well maybe Trump should've done something worthy of praise then.

According to whom?
I will never tell you I am right and you are wrong in any way on any issues we are discussing. I will explain my side of it and I will leave it there.I GMS Am A Proud Conservative Republican Nationalist with A Slight Economic Libertarian Streak Neo Con Paleo Con America First Pro MAGA Pro Trump Ron DeSantis and Ronald Reagan Supporter The original Make America Great Again President of the USA With Pride and Honor.For the 2 Greatest American Presidents of the USA An Awesome Combination.

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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:14 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Well maybe Trump should've done something worthy of praise then.


Well, he did. I can think of three in particular.


1. Warp Speed
2. Relations with North Korea

Those are two I can think of. I guess energy independence?

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Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:14 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
I'm not a massive fan of the police state expanding.


You know, police didn't really carry long guns until they started getting shot with them.

Police carried long guns since their humble origins hunting for escaped enslaved people.
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Tarsonis
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:15 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Problem becomes the far reaching implications. If I take a photo of my family and happen to catch you hanging brain in the background, am I violating your privacy by showing my family to friends? if a photo I take legally isn't my property to do with what I want, that means I'm legally liable for anything I photograph, no matter how innocuous.
Everyone here can be sued for their Facebook pages right now.


There are no “far reaching” implications. Do you know of ANY family being cool with you showing the mutilated remains of family members?


Well Apparently it is difficult to comprehend.

Being "cool" or not has fuck all to do with being legal or not.

Again police work doesn’t mean you get to take pictures for your personal jollies.


Never said it did. In fact I've said at least sixteen times that the crux of the issue is whether or not the pictures were taken legally or not, but that somehow has seemed to elude you


Depends on the how and why he took the photo, and whether it was legal for him to do so. I don't know why your so incredulous, this is an issue that's been contested since probably the invention of the photograph. I mean are you really gonna say pictures aren't property? If I took all the photos out of your grandma's photo album, how willing would you be to say I hadn't committed a crime since she didn't own them?


Do you do realize you are defending a guy who took pictures of a mutilated 13 year old girl and is showing them to people for kicks.

No I'm arguing about the merits of the case and the law there in, I've not ince said he was right to do so. A distinction that again has proven difficult for you to comprehend. Believe it or not, "its a scummy thing to do" is not the legal standard.

There is a VAST difference between showing family pictures and taking pictures from a crime scene. You as part of the family got to make that choice.


But you waltzing around with your wedding tackle didn't. That was the pertinent point of that example.

The cop isn’t part of the Bryant family. Private property is no excuse in the matter.


Sure not morally, I never said otherwise. But as far as the law is concerned, it makes all the difference in the world.
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Postby Port Caverton » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:16 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Your post to me is we worship Trump like a God, you mentioned Trump, all of you guys posts are Trump bad, Trump no good and Trump evil. You guys never post Trump good, Trump great and Trump awesome. All your posts are anti Trump, we are even. In your case, this is the only post I have ever seen of you saying, Trump, Biden, Bush and Obama are bad presidents, you are definitely the exception to the rule, my bad.


Well maybe Trump should've done something worthy of praise then.

He did
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:16 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Well, he did. I can think of three in particular.


1. Warp Speed
2. Relations with North Korea

Those are two I can think of. I guess energy independence?

1. which stole money from effective programmes to serve as djt's window dressing
2. And where are we now on that? Back to square one like everybody predicted?

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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:16 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Well, he did. I can think of three in particular.


1. Warp Speed
2. Relations with North Korea

Those are two I can think of. I guess energy independence?


I was thinking of our three pals over on First Street.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:19 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Well maybe Trump should've done something worthy of praise then.


Well, he did. I can think of three in particular.


So you would also praise Biden for packing the court then?
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:20 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Well maybe Trump should've done something worthy of praise then.

He did


How did killing one general from Iran do anything meaningful?

Don't get me wrong, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard is bad news and we should be trying to block their advances, but killing one dude isn't going to do all that much.
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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:21 pm

Vassenor wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Well, he did. I can think of three in particular.


So you would also praise Biden for packing the court then?


Don't be dumb, Vass. Of course not.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:21 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:He did


How did killing one general from Iran do anything meaningful?

Don't get me wrong, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard is bad news and we should be trying to block their advances, but killing one dude isn't going to do all that much.


You're forgetting that PC is obsessed with triggering nuclear war at every opportunity.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:22 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Well maybe Trump should've done something worthy of praise then.

He did


That too.
American Legionaries wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
1. Warp Speed
2. Relations with North Korea

Those are two I can think of. I guess energy independence?


I was thinking of our three pals over on First Street.


Who?

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Postby Port Caverton » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:23 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:
How did killing one general from Iran do anything meaningful?

Don't get me wrong, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard is bad news and we should be trying to block their advances, but killing one dude isn't going to do all that much.


You're forgetting that PC is obsessed with triggering nuclear war at every opportunity.[/quote]
Iran doesn't have nukes so far and the assassination was 2 years ago
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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:24 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:He did


That too.
American Legionaries wrote:
I was thinking of our three pals over on First Street.


Who?


Supreme Court justices, he appointed three. The Supreme Court building in DC is on First Street.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:25 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
That too.

Who?


Supreme Court justices, he appointed three. The Supreme Court building in DC is on First Street.


And this is praiseworthy how?
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